SwissWatchExpo sold me a fake Daytona 116500 for $21,800

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by Knappo 1307

It's lead a horse to water. Also the horse would need a really long neck to drink from a well. Just sayin....

CORRECT thanks. I stand corrected on that.

[Twisted Vicar]

Originally Posted by Twisted Vicar

Interested to know who you sold it to, with the confidence that it wouldn't end up back in a fake case?

If not who, how about where?

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by tigey

1) The scammer bought one genuine Daytona, and one fake (the one in watchfinder vid). Swapped movements and sold both watches as genuine and made thousands of dollars.

2) The movement was not stolen from the Rolex inventory vault by Ethan Hunt rapelling upside down from the ceiling vent through the lasers.

There are only two cases a genuine movement would be in a fake watch, Example 1. above as OP's watch. Or a personal wacth owner has a fake and wants to make it better by frankenstein with genuine parts, and eventually finds its way into the public

Interesting theory. Even based on the fact locating a Daytona for under $20,000 is nearly impossible.
If your theory had any merit why not buy my brand new genuine Rolex caliber 3186 for a GMTII (Batman). For $3500 (it’s been on eBay for months)
Put it in a fake case and sell for $20,000

As I say you can “lead” a horse , but you can not make it drink from the “well”

[tigey]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Interesting theory. Even based on the fact locating a Daytona for under $20,000 is nearly impossible.
If your theory had any merit why not buy my brand new genuine Rolex caliber 3186 for a GMTII (Batman). For $3500 (it’s been on eBay for months)
Put it in a fake case and sell for $20,000

As I say you can “lead” a horse , but you can not make it drink from the “well”

So what if its $20K for a daytona? Scammers have credid cards.

If I were to sell a fake Batman and scam someone, why put a fake movement? Just sell the clone it comes with and not bother. Why waste money on a real movement?

The whole point of the scam is to get two watches from one Genuine.

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by tigey

So what if its $20K for a daytona? Scammers have credid cards.

If I were to sell a fake Batman and scam someone, why put a fake movement? Just sell the clone it comes with and not bother. Why waste money on a real movement?

The whole point of the scam is to get two watches from one Genuine.

What are you talking about.

[bondtoys]

Originally Posted by smym18

Credit where credit is due; your ability to completely ignore being called out for your contradictions time and time again and continue on your path is amazing.

[MoosicPa]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Interesting theory. Even based on the fact locating a Daytona for under $20,000 is nearly impossible.
If your theory had any merit why not buy my brand new genuine Rolex caliber 3186 for a GMTII (Batman). For $3500 (it’s been on eBay for months)
Put it in a fake case and sell for $20,000

As I say you can “lead” a horse , but you can not make it drink from the “well”

I am trying to figure out your theory here. It seems you are implying one of 2 things, either:

1. Someone (ie. employee or vendor) at Rolex is stealing movements and selling them on a black market, unbeknownst to Rolex; or

2. Rolex is itself back dooring genuine movements to a black market, like their AD's are doing with the SS watches to grey dealers.

[tigey]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Interesting theory. Even based on the fact locating a Daytona for under $20,000 is nearly impossible.
If your theory had any merit why not buy my brand new genuine Rolex caliber 3186 for a GMTII (Batman). For $3500 (it’s been on eBay for months)
Put it in a fake case and sell for $20,000

As I say you can “lead” a horse , but you can not make it drink from the “well”

Interesting theory. Even based on the fact locating a Daytona for under $20,000 is nearly impossible.

So what? A scammer can pay $20,000 just like anyone here. Its called a credit card.

If your theory had any merit why not buy my brand new genuine Rolex caliber 3186 for a GMTII (Batman). For $3500 (it’s been on eBay for months)

This is NOT my theory. You missed the point completely. If YOUR theory had any merit your brand new genuine Rolex caliber 3186 was stolen from the Rolex vault. if MY theory is correct it was sourced from a Genuine watch someone bought legitamately.

[tigey]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Yep. Both movements are I posted above 100% genuine, confined by Rolex
BUT
Cases/bracelet/Dials are fake.


Adam

So the case/bracelet/dial YOUR genuine 3186 is installed in, that you are selling on Ebay is FAKE!!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/ROLEX-GENUI...YAAOSwLdJcujkl

[tigey]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Really
What about this?









A

Adam, you said yourself the case/dial/bracelet this movement was housed in was FAKE...THIS IS YOUR WATCH

https://www.ebay.com/itm/ROLEX-GENUI...YAAOSwLdJcujkl

[GLADIATOR]

What are you going on about.
I am selling a genuine movement ONLY!
No case or bracelet
I have not hidden the fact that I am selling a GENUINE movement
Confirmed by Rolex.
Yes it comes from a fake case and bracelet

What are you going on about?

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by tigey

So the case/bracelet/dial YOUR genuine 3186 is installed in, that you are selling on Ebay is FAKE!!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/ROLEX-GENUI...YAAOSwLdJcujkl

You lost the plot?
I am
Offering a genuine movement- no case or bracelet (nor dial)

I have not hidden that fact.
So what??

[tigey]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

What are you going on about.
I am selling a genuine movement ONLY!
No case or bracelet
I have not hidden the fact that I am selling a GENUINE movement
Confirmed by Rolex.
Yes it comes from a fake case and bracelet

What are you going on about?

It came from a fake case and bracelet? Why did you buy a fake watch?

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by tigey

It came from a fake case and bracelet? Why did you buy a fake watch?

Tiger. I wonder if you are all there?
Why? Cause I got duped, something I stated multiple times.

That’s how I know that GENUINE movements are being fitted in fake cases.
I have posted that MULTIPLE times.

And to again shoot your theory down that these came from
Genuine purchased watches.
The dial is fake too.

To reiterate
These are genuine movements
Stolen from Rolex
The only way to authenticate a Rolex now is external tests The movement does not guarantee that the entire/whole watch is genuine

Now run a long.
Try reading the whole thread again

[tigey]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

You lost the plot?
I am
Offering a genuine movement- no case or bracelet (nor dial)

I have not hidden that fact.
So what??

From the ebay ad: "DIAL & HANDS AVAILABLE IF REQUIRED" you mean the fake dial and hands?

[tigey]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Tiger. I wonder if you are all there?
Why? Cause I got duped, something I stated multiple times.

That’s how I know that GENUINE movements are being fitted in fake cases.
I have posted that MULTIPLE times.

And to again shoot your theory down that these came from
Genuine purchased watches.
The dial is fake too.

Now run a long.
Try reading the whole thread again

You are the expert in spotting fakes, a collector for years and you got duped..BULL!!

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by tigey

You are the expert in spotting fakes, a collector for years and you got duped..BULL!!

Well I am not as brilliant as you Sherlock
Or more like Laurel
Now bye bye

[tigey]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Tiger. I wonder if you are all there?
Why? Cause I got duped, something I stated multiple times.

That’s how I know that GENUINE movements are being fitted in fake cases.
I have posted that MULTIPLE times.

And to again shoot your theory down that these came from
Genuine purchased watches.
The dial is fake too.

To reiterate
These are genuine movements
Stolen from Rolex
The only way to authenticate a Rolex now is external tests The movement does not guarantee that the entire/whole watch is genuine

Now run a long.
Try reading the whole thread again

1) You are either delusional or lying about your background as a Rolex collector. Movements stolen from Rolex and placed into fake movements? OK
WHY ON EARTH would a scammer do this? If you are going to sell a fake watch, why spend the time and money on a genuine movement? Just sell the bloody fake watch with a clone movement and make more money....
2) I bet you collect high quality fake parts and and real parts and build Frankens. When you are ready to move on from the watch, you part it out and sell the pieces.
Run along to your franken collection Adam

[bondtoys]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

You lost the plot?
I am
Offering a genuine movement- no case or bracelet (nor dial)

I have not hidden that fact.
So what??

Interesting
You are selling a movement from that you know that it has been stolen?

Questionable ethics at best and looking forward to what happens when the movement returns to Rolex for service.

I‘d ban you for selling stolen goods on ebay

[CorradoBrit]

Originally Posted by bondtoys

Interesting
You are selling a movement from that you know that it has been stolen?

Questionable ethics at best and looking forward to what happens when the movement returns to Rolex for service.

I‘d ban you for selling stolen goods on ebay

Selling stolen goods. Its called fencing. And its illegal. What if the poor buyer sends that movement in for service. You admit Rolex says its a genuine stolen movement.

EZ Pawn..... about sums up this guy. Shady business practices.

[tigey]

Rolex confirmed his genuine movement, stolen from their inventory, in a fake case, and didn't mind. Adam, what did Rolex tell you when they ran the serial and it came up as stolen?

[Abdullah71601]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Tiger. I wonder if you are all there?
Why? Cause I got duped, something I stated multiple times.

Wait a minute... Don't you run some sort of business that teaches people to spot fake Rolex? Now you are saying you were duped by a fake case, dial, and hands?

Now I understand why you always ask for movement pictures on these threads. You can't tell if the case, dial, or hands are fake.


Is this genuine movement you obtained from a fake watch you were duped into buying stolen, or not? You haven't been very clear. How would you know if it was stolen or not?

[Knappo 1307]

Edit, not worth the possible infraction points.....

[smym18]

Originally Posted by bondtoys

Interesting
You are selling a movement from that you know that it has been stolen?

Questionable ethics at best and looking forward to what happens when the movement returns to Rolex for service.

I‘d ban you for selling stolen goods on ebay

So in theory, Gladiator is perpetuating his own idea of genuine movements in fake cases by selling a genuine movement by itself, for any scammer to put in any case. Bold move. It's kinda like he's trying to physically prove his own point.

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by bondtoys

Interesting
You are selling a movement from that you know that it has been stolen?

Questionable ethics at best and looking forward to what happens when the movement returns to Rolex for service.

I‘d ban you for selling stolen goods on ebay

Originally Posted by CorradoBrit

Selling stolen goods. Its called fencing. And its illegal. What if the poor buyer sends that movement in for service. You admit Rolex says its a genuine stolen movement.

EZ Pawn..... about sums up this guy. Shady business practices.

Originally Posted by smym18

So in theory, Gladiator is perpetuating his own idea of genuine movements in fake cases by selling a genuine movement by itself, for any scammer to put in any case. Bold move. It's kinda like he's trying to physically prove his own point.

Sums it up.....

[Dubshack]

Originally Posted by smym18

So in theory, Gladiator is perpetuating his own idea of genuine movements in fake cases by selling a genuine movement by itself, for any scammer to put in any case. Bold move. It's kinda like he's trying to physically prove his own point.

That is my understanding as well.


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[Robtayham]

My thought is we need to be able to buy just the OEM movement. Not the whole watch. That will become more and more important as Rolex starts to ‘run out’ of vintage watch parts. As with classic card, OEM parts come from donor cars. We need to be able to do the same thing with watches.

[CorradoBrit]

No comment from Mr EZ Pawn, the dodgy dealer. Speaks volumes.

[antrolexsub]

Originally Posted by CorradoBrit

No comment from Mr ** Pawn, the dodgy dealer. Speaks volumes.

That’s a low blow and completely out of line.

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by antrolexsub

That’s a low blow and completely out of line.

Thanks.
But it’s of no concern to me.

Sadly these forums have turned into personal emotional attacks rather than helping people “watchout”.
When I came here it was a place to read, learn and help people.
Now nothing to learn, and the many that post are not giving help to OP or talking about genuine or fakes. But personal attacks against people.
Like Kappo - when was last time he actually gave advice on a watch??

I will continue to try to help people not get duped but I am not entering into internet flame wars with stupid people
Once again thanks your input on these forums
Even if I don’t agree with it all, it’s polite and ULTRA professional