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18 January 2020, 05:33 AM | #211 | |
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I actually am going through a roller coaster with this one, from nah it sucks, price to high, to it looks amazing, clean aesthetics and perfect size, weak water proofing, but “amazing” movement.....but is it amazing, just because. |
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18 January 2020, 05:40 AM | #212 | |
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Well, I’m good with waiting to get all the information before bringing out the pitchforks lol This watch does seem to have sent you into a tizzy. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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18 January 2020, 07:58 AM | #213 |
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If anything it's all positive. I like this watch, it's beautiful when I really think about it.
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18 January 2020, 08:15 AM | #214 | |
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The omega has a more detailed tachy scale. The Daytona only has 4 marked indicators for every 5 minutes The Daytona minute counter is comparatively more difficult to read. What would the impact of a few seconds per day either way be in measuring the speed? Simply, imho, the accuracy of the dial hands down trumps the accuracy of the movement?
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The accuracy of the Chronograph (the model's primary feature?) is dependent upon both the accuracy of the 321 and the legibility of the measure performed. |
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18 January 2020, 09:49 AM | #216 |
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The old 321 is as accurate as the current 1861 movement. Also, it's highly unlikely that the new 321 movement is going to get certified. Omega is going to do the same tests that were done in the 60's on the 3861 and have NASA give them the certification.
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It's an old, venerable, workhorse of a chrongraph movement that brings out a romantic, nostalgic feeling in the Speedmaster fan-base. I'm sure it can be adjusted to COSC specs, just not sure how long it will stay in the range and neither is Omega so they won't certify it in that sense. NASA certification for sure requires accuracy, but not necessarily COSC levels. Here's something I only recently learned, thanks to a fellow Speedmaster fan... The seconds markers are further dived into fifths. This matched the frequency of the 321 (5Hz) but when Omega swapped the 321 with the 861 which has a frequency of 6Hz, the seconds hand will never stop at a sub-secs marker... . The exception are special dials like the one on the 45th Snoopy which divides a second with three markers. So... in that sense, the 321 "lines up" a lot better than the 1861... Quote:
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So, that's that, then...
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18 January 2020, 02:12 PM | #219 |
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Nerds.
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18 January 2020, 09:16 PM | #220 | |
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Heritage and all that mumbo jumbo is not as important to me as a watch that does it's primary function(after looking good of course) well, which is running reliably to measure/tell time accurately and consistently with a certain standard, whether it's NASA, COSC or METAS. At this point I'll just chillax and wait for more details and information to be released. I think it's a very handsome watch and have always wanted a moon watch. I think this is the one. |
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My reasoning is that anyone who isn't connected to the 321 won't care much about applied Logo / DON / DD7 / fonts / stepped dial / tear-drop counterweight /7912/6-like bracelet / etc. Well okay ...everyone loves these new bracelets and the applied logo is something we'd all love to have on a standard Speedmaster... but the bracelet and/or applied-logo alone cannot be worth 90% additional cost over a future 3861 sapphire sandwich (curr 1861 ver goes for €5.5K, 3861 s/b ~7K by my estimation)... The "mambo jumbo" types who prefer the straight-lugs, no crown-guards Speedmasters are usually GTG with the FOIS, CK2998 or similar. If however, you're not into alpha-style hands then this may be the only reference with both straight lugs and baton hands for a long time to come...
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Hehehe. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Absolutely. If you can’t read the chronograph, what good is it? And more to that point, the 42mm sapphire sandwich is a step above the Ed White in my opinion.
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After 3 Daytona’s all I can say is Hooray for Legibility
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“A step above” because of the larger size? I was wondering, is there an actual 2mm difference in the dial size between the pro and the white? My thought is all the difference is found in the larger case?
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Did a little research and you appear to be correct sir. I had come to think the dial was larger....
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c/o Moonwatch Only, 2nd Ed. *The reason the SMP measures 2mm larger is due to the crown guards. Furthermore the all-stainless steel bezels are smaller, measuring 38.6mm.
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21 January 2020, 01:07 PM | #229 | |
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The official dia. of the SM is 38mm and the SMP (incl. CGs) is 42mm. That's 4mm...! But again, same bezel dia. (~40mm), same L2L (48mm), same dial dia.... so I'm not sure when they're strapped on the wrist if the difference is noticeable...
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Looks like it's been a while since this thread's been active...
...and in the interim the 3861s are "old news"... I'm sure there's (at least) one thread about them and I'm sure there's at least one other person (besides myself) that was pretty dismayed that once again we're forced to choose between Hesalite and display caseback. If that wasn't bad enough... if you're into applied logos and Hesalite, you're SOL... If you're into movements and NOT into milk rings... well you're once again SOL. But hang on... this ain't the 3861 thread ...it's the Ed Whi... err, make that now the "Speedmaster Moonwatch Calibre 321" thread... So let's "talk" about that instead... as mine just landed this past SpeedyTuesday... ~~~~ p.s. We (incl. yours truly) all complained that the 321EW would be shipped in the "production" Speedmaster box but when I found out it can be purchased separately for like €700... ...well let's just say I decided to stop complaining... It's also worth noting that the 3861 production Speedmasters do not come in this "old prod. Speedmaster" box, rather one that has the same texture and styling but without the additional straps, loupe, medallion, etc.
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Congratulations. A beautiful watch.
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^Thx everyone Those who know me know that more pics are on the way...
Let's see... Robert-Jan announced it on the 7th of Jan 2020 and I wrote* to my OB same day... so we're looking at just a little over 15mths *Title of the email, which I still have: "Ed White 321 SS - 311.30.40.30.01.001 - I MUST HAVE ONE PLEEEEASE!!!"
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For your reading and/or viewing pleasure, fresh off the press
Speedmaster Caliber 321 "Ed White" - A pictorial
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Does anyone know how is the case and bracelet finishing of the 321 reissue like as compared with the standard Omega Speedmaster Pro 3861 Sapphire?
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Think I'll add to the timelines and information presented here.
Half deposit made exactly one year ago, OB east coast USA. Seeing as today was the anniversary of placing a half deposit, I made a call to inquire my position on the 321 waitlist. Their official quoted time is "we don't know" but their informal estimate is ~3 years. Now of course production is much lower this year, but the OB has only seen 2 321s come through its doors since the announcement last year, so looks like I'm going grey market... ...but as far as I can see, the only reasonable grey market prices are from overseas. Could it be that Omega is distributing more to Europe and Asia than to NA? Or is this just a selection bias from Chrono24's demographic? |
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