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Old 19 June 2019, 08:06 AM   #1
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Damaged 5513 dial: Hand drag, water damage or...?

Hi all,

What do you make of this damage to a 5513 Maxi Dial?
And do think it is repairable?

My own observations:
1) Damage is “ring shaped” but not perfectly round
2) Doesnt look like scratches to me
3) Lettering is not damaged

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Old 19 June 2019, 09:18 AM   #2
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looks like hour hand drag - shame. Good news is it hasn't affect the text printing. Might be salvagable
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Old 19 June 2019, 11:09 AM   #3
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Could it have been a piece of lume hanging down beneath the hour hand?

Has the watch been serviced / had the hands worked on or replaced?

Seems to currently have all the lume in the hour hand though -- hence my asking if there has been previous service.


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Old 19 June 2019, 11:17 AM   #4
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Looks like an extremely light rub, how long has it been visible?
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Old 20 June 2019, 10:31 AM   #5
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Hard to imagine hand rub doing that to the dial and having zero effect on crown or text.
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Old 20 June 2019, 08:41 PM   #6
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Could it be coming from underneath?
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Old 20 June 2019, 09:44 PM   #7
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Never seen something like this
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Old 20 June 2019, 11:59 PM   #8
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What a weird mystery. Doesn't look like drag. Almost looks like someone's done it on purpose...
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Old 21 June 2019, 12:29 AM   #9
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Perhaps an attempted repair of hand drag damage
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Old 21 June 2019, 12:43 AM   #10
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Perhaps an attempted repair of hand drag damage
Ah, yes. That makes sense.
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Old 21 June 2019, 01:06 AM   #11
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No biggie send to Michael young to fix the dial
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Old 21 June 2019, 01:52 AM   #12
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How often do you see hand drag on matte dials? It wouldn’t be my first guess.

Hands indicate water ingress. I would love to see close ups of the dial without the crystal. If it is damaged I would guess that someone attempted to clean it up.
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Old 21 June 2019, 07:02 AM   #13
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Cant be hand rub. The lettering is in perfect condition. As if redone on top of the circle.
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Old 21 June 2019, 01:57 PM   #14
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Maybe when the dial was removed it was placed upside down on something that reacted with it??
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Old 21 June 2019, 11:28 PM   #15
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Maybe when the dial was removed it was placed upside down on something that reacted with it??
Was thinking the same thing. Some type of surface that had a ring of oil or some other reactive liquid that wouldn’t affect the white paint.
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Old 21 June 2019, 11:34 PM   #16
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Is it a crop circle? Just kidding
Almost looks like a gasket or something sticky touched it at one point
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Old 22 June 2019, 01:01 AM   #17
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Call it a tropical halo dial and watch the offers flood in ��
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Old 22 June 2019, 03:36 PM   #18
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Call it a tropical halo dial and watch the offers flood in ��
yea i like that Halo dial next big thing & if it was drag marks seems it wouldn't be an uneven circle on the edges like it is.
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Old 22 June 2019, 05:23 PM   #19
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Can you look under the hour hand? Perhaps the lume has collapsed slightly underneath and it is making light contact. That might explain also why the text on the dial has remained unscathed as the lume would be a light material.
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Old 25 June 2019, 05:09 AM   #20
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Can you look under the hour hand? Perhaps the lume has collapsed slightly underneath and it is making light contact. That might explain also why the text on the dial has remained unscathed as the lume would be a light material.

Thanks for all your help and comments.

After disassembling the watch and inspecting hands and dial, my local watchmaker also believes it was caused by the horrific re-lume of the hands touching the dial (see new photos below).

Tomorow I am sending both dial, hands and bracelet to Michael Young for restoration - so I will post the result and conclusion of the damage once they have returned to me.

Thanks again to the forum!






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Old 25 June 2019, 08:45 AM   #21
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Thanks for all your help and comments.

After disassembling the watch and inspecting hands and dial, my local watchmaker also believes it was caused by the horrific re-lume of the hands touching the dial (see new photos below).

Tomorow I am sending both dial, hands and bracelet to Michael Young for restoration - so I will post the result and conclusion of the damage once they have returned to me.

Thanks again to the forum!









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Excellent, so hopefully that ring on the dial will wipe off.
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Old 7 August 2019, 05:44 AM   #22
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Hi all,

Just a quick update:
So the dial has been inspected by Michael Young, and the assesment is "It is due to mould caused by moisture."
Luckily they can repair it, I will post "after photos" as soon as they are done :)
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Old 7 August 2019, 01:48 PM   #23
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Hi all,

Just a quick update:
So the dial has been inspected by Michael Young, and the assesment is "It is due to mould caused by moisture."
Luckily they can repair it, I will post "after photos" as soon as they are done :)


In that case, I hope the movement is getting a service too!
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Old 7 August 2019, 02:02 PM   #24
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Hi all,

Just a quick update:
So the dial has been inspected by Michael Young, and the assesment is "It is due to mould caused by moisture."
Luckily they can repair it, I will post "after photos" as soon as they are done :)

Great news! Keep us posted! Your watch is in safe hands
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Old 7 August 2019, 02:49 PM   #25
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Damaged 5513 dial: Hand drag, water damage or...?

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In that case, I hope the movement is getting a service too!


Yes but locally, I only shipped out dial and hands til MY.
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Old 8 August 2019, 12:15 AM   #26
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Hi all,

Just a quick update:
So the dial has been inspected by Michael Young, and the assesment is "It is due to mould caused by moisture."
Luckily they can repair it, I will post "after photos" as soon as they are done :)
Still don't get it. I can't imagine how mould/moisture damage would be in a very specific ring formation.

And if the watchmaker's opinion that the damage was caused by the hand touching the dial were right, it would be scratched rather than just discolored, and the edges of the ring wouldn't be uneven like they are.

Neither of these evaluations explains the damage for me, but I can't think of a feasible scenario myself. This is better than any muder mystery...
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Old 8 August 2019, 01:11 AM   #27
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A conundrum


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Still don't get it. I can't imagine how mould/moisture damage would be in a very specific ring formation.

And if the watchmaker's opinion that the damage was caused by the hand touching the dial were right, it would be scratched rather than just discolored, and the edges of the ring wouldn't be uneven like they are.

Neither of these evaluations explains the damage for me, but I can't think of a feasible scenario myself. This is better than any muder mystery...
I've been lying awake at nights thinking about this and I have a theory...

a blob of liquid gets trapped between the underside of the hour hand and the dial and gets dragged round and round until it evaporates only to leave an eerie trace confounding newbies and experts alike on a watch forum we all know and love...
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Old 8 August 2019, 01:51 AM   #29
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Maybe when the dial was removed it was placed upside down on something that reacted with it??
Yes, also what I thought - I think someone fucked up
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Old 8 August 2019, 02:03 AM   #30
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Actually, this happened to a friend of mine, and after several watchmakers' unfruitful opinions, the dial was sent to Rolex in Geneva.

It seems that the moisture, combined with very specific gases and substances only found in certain remote environments can cause the black matte paint used in dials of a certain batch to react in a ring-like manner because of the absorption of light that is refracted through the acrylic. Tritium decay and depending or not if you wear your Rolex in the shower (specially during long, hot showers) seems to be contributing factors to what Rolex named "the white ring problem".

Anyway, cleaning is very easy - you just need a cotton swab, two drops of olive oil, lukewarm water and use small circular motions to SHOVE IT UP YOUR BUTT!!!!!!!!

hahahah sorry guys, meant no disrespect here...if you're a fan of The Office, you'll know what I just did there (Stanley Hudson anyone?). Just wanted to add some humor to one of the most mysterious threads ever!!
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