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andsan09 · 8 March 2010, 02:09 AM

I bought this recently and I have some bad "vibes" if the watch is genuine or not.
The watch vorks perfect, + 2 sec per day. Attach some pictures so you can decide whether it is genuine or fake. The seller wrote: The movment is a 2784
The seller claims that the watch is entirely genuine. He wrote: The watch is 100% orignal.Only the dial has been redone.

I've noticed that more watch of this model is sold by several vendors from Hong Kong and then I become suspicious. I have searched online but it is hard to find this model in the USA / Europe. It makes me more suspicious that there might be a fake because it shows up quite often on E-bay from seller from Honkong. Maybe I am wrong.
If there are any knowledgeable person here who can determine this?
I hope I have provided the additional data needed for you.
Regards
Andy

JPersat · 8 March 2010, 02:30 AM

It looks okay to me...but there are members alot more qualified than I am to make a determination.

Dan Pierce · 8 March 2010, 02:32 AM

Not an expert on this reference but looks ok except the dial, which was labeled as a redial.
dP

Prince Tudor · 8 March 2010, 05:00 AM

From what I can see, it looks good. The case is right as well as the movement.
I think, and I could be wrong, that these older models were/are popular in Hong Kong. There is a very large market for Tudors over there.

TimeToGo · 8 March 2010, 07:30 AM

There is some good information on the Tudor model here:

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...t=54493&page=4

BASSETHOUNDS · 8 March 2010, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimeToGo

Isn't the 9050 model suppose to be a Ranger?

I'm not sure , but believe that 9050 is Tudor Prince Oysterdate and 9050/0 would be the "Ranger" or would the /0 stand for SS . There could be an issue it seems one of the most copied models about .

ParisDakarBmw · 8 March 2010, 07:45 AM

Just by looking at the workmanship on the watch, I'm a little concerned. The Tudor font on the weight looks to flow over the ridge, and the crest is lighter in one area. The gears look to be a little crude, as opposed to a genuine part. The case back is highly polished, and rough, where the rest of the case is crisp, and looking great. The scroll work on the serial numbers is very crisp. This could be luck, or a new/different case. Along with the redial, I'd look a little closer to see if it's real.

ParisDakarBmw · 8 March 2010, 07:49 AM

Also note the crooked letters on the caseback. The words "BY ROLEX" start close to the edge, and get farther away as the words continue. This isn't normally what ou see on a Tudor. The words are centered, and don't vary in distance around the caseback.

Nicko · 8 March 2010, 07:50 AM

i'm no sure, but these types of questions are better asked before you buy...Have you got a link to the auction?

idk01 · 8 March 2010, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BASSETHOUNDS

I'm not sure , but believe that 9050 is Tudor Prince Oysterdate and 9050/0 would be the "Ranger" or would the /0 stand for SS . There could be an issue it seems one of the most copied models about .

I think the Ranger dial would be the 3 6 9 number not markers, something doesn't look right about the rotor, always though Rolex/Tudor didn't use etching but machined or stamped -

Nicko · 8 March 2010, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ParisDakarBmw

Also note the crooked letters on the caseback. The words "BY ROLEX" start close to the edge, and get farther away as the words continue. This isn't normally what ou see on a Tudor. The words are centered, and don't vary in distance around the caseback.

Good catch Paul, I didn't even notice that until you mentioned it. I was too busy looking at that strange rotor.

Jackxv · 8 March 2010, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ParisDakarBmw

Also note the crooked letters on the caseback. The words "BY ROLEX" start close to the edge, and get farther away as the words continue. This isn't normally what ou see on a Tudor. The words are centered, and don't vary in distance around the caseback.

Good conclusion, that's the give away on this watch.

It's all about the details.

Jack

BASSETHOUNDS · 8 March 2010, 08:25 PM

Don't know , would that not be an optical illusion created by the angle of when the picture was taken . Have to admit it really looks off and it seems " stamped " . Anyway , I wonder why they put in all the effort to get the engraving between the lugs perfect and leave the more obvious case back like that ? Maybe OP can provide some better pictures of that case back taken at an exact 90' angle ?

TimeToGo · 8 March 2010, 10:26 PM

Here is one w/the writing -

http://cgi.ebay.com/25J-TUDOR-Prince...item27afef537c

TimeToGo · 8 March 2010, 10:28 PM

Here is a second one -

http://cgi.ebay.com.my/RARE-TUDOR-94...-/320478394090

idk01 · 9 March 2010, 12:09 AM

Great follow up and research TTG

andsan09 · 9 March 2010, 07:33 AM

Thanks all!

As you come up with is that it is a fake watch, right? Good detective work everyone!

Best regards

Andy

TimeToGo · 9 March 2010, 10:00 AM

On the contrary! The watch is GOOD!

tudorman8276 · 9 March 2010, 11:16 AM

Earl Camembert · 9 March 2010, 12:12 PM

If it is fake it it a good fake. The best fakes use ETA movements so does a genuine Tudor.

8 March 2010, 02:09 AM	#1
andsan09 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Stockholm Watch: Glashütte/Rolex Posts: 122	Fake Tudor or not? I bought this recently and I have some bad "vibes" if the watch is genuine or not. The watch vorks perfect, + 2 sec per day. Attach some pictures so you can decide whether it is genuine or fake. The seller wrote: The movment is a 2784 The seller claims that the watch is entirely genuine. He wrote: The watch is 100% orignal.Only the dial has been redone. I've noticed that more watch of this model is sold by several vendors from Hong Kong and then I become suspicious. I have searched online but it is hard to find this model in the USA / Europe. It makes me more suspicious that there might be a fake because it shows up quite often on E-bay from seller from Honkong. Maybe I am wrong. If there are any knowledgeable person here who can determine this? I hope I have provided the additional data needed for you. Regards Andy

8 March 2010, 02:32 AM	#3
Dan Pierce 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: D'OH! Location: Kentucky Watch: Rolex-1 Tudor-3 Posts: 35,808	Not an expert on this reference but looks ok except the dial, which was labeled as a redial. dP __________________ TRF Member# 1668 Bass Player in TRF "AFTER DARK" Bar & NightClub Band Commander-in-Chief of The Nylon Nation The Crown & Shield Club Honorary Member of P-Club

8 March 2010, 05:00 AM	#4
Prince Tudor "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: Lucas Location: Canada Watch: Rolex and Tudor Posts: 726	From what I can see, it looks good. The case is right as well as the movement. I think, and I could be wrong, that these older models were/are popular in Hong Kong. There is a very large market for Tudors over there. __________________

9 March 2010, 12:09 AM	#16
idk01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Dave Location: Australia Watch: DJ16233TT Posts: 18,485	Great follow up and research TTG __________________ *Apprentice to Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth*

9 March 2010, 11:16 AM	#19
tudorman8276 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: STAN Location: KY-USA Watch: Rolex Prez Posts: 12,584	...good conclusion GRASSHOPPERS..alles gut...

8 March 2010, 02:30 AM	#2
JPersat "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Jarrett Location: San Antonio TX Watch: ing everybody Posts: 1,515	It looks okay to me...but there are members alot more qualified than I am to make a determination.

8 March 2010, 07:30 AM	#5
TimeToGo 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,612	There is some good information on the Tudor model here: http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...t=54493&page=4

8 March 2010, 07:45 AM	#7
ParisDakarBmw Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Paul Location: New Haven, CT Watch: 116610 Sub-C Posts: 6,552	Just by looking at the workmanship on the watch, I'm a little concerned. The Tudor font on the weight looks to flow over the ridge, and the crest is lighter in one area. The gears look to be a little crude, as opposed to a genuine part. The case back is highly polished, and rough, where the rest of the case is crisp, and looking great. The scroll work on the serial numbers is very crisp. This could be luck, or a new/different case. Along with the redial, I'd look a little closer to see if it's real.

8 March 2010, 07:49 AM	#8
ParisDakarBmw Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Paul Location: New Haven, CT Watch: 116610 Sub-C Posts: 6,552	Also note the crooked letters on the caseback. The words "BY ROLEX" start close to the edge, and get farther away as the words continue. This isn't normally what ou see on a Tudor. The words are centered, and don't vary in distance around the caseback.

8 March 2010, 07:50 AM	#9
Nicko Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Not here anymore Posts: 4,787	i'm no sure, but these types of questions are better asked before you buy...Have you got a link to the auction?

8 March 2010, 08:25 PM	#13
BASSETHOUNDS Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Tristan Location: GIRONA , SPAIN Watch: 116520/660/710/334 Posts: 7,147	Don't know , would that not be an optical illusion created by the angle of when the picture was taken . Have to admit it really looks off and it seems " stamped " . Anyway , I wonder why they put in all the effort to get the engraving between the lugs perfect and leave the more obvious case back like that ? Maybe OP can provide some better pictures of that case back taken at an exact 90' angle ?

9 March 2010, 07:33 AM	#17
andsan09 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Stockholm Watch: Glashütte/Rolex Posts: 122	Thanks all! As you come up with is that it is a fake watch, right? Good detective work everyone! Best regards Andy

9 March 2010, 10:00 AM	#18
TimeToGo 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,612	On the contrary! The watch is GOOD!

9 March 2010, 12:12 PM	#20
Earl Camembert Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,858	If it is fake it it a good fake. The best fakes use ETA movements so does a genuine Tudor.

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