Curious Watch Deal

[meisenberg44]

Hey guys! I found a vintage Submariner 5512 at a local reputable jeweler. He said it was from 1972 and I saw it was on a jubilee style bracelet, had the 4 lines one the dial and had some aging. I don't believe it had the box/papers and the links had some spacing. The jeweler was asking 4000 but i've seen them run from anywhere on eBay from 5800+ this is a very reputable jeweler- I'm just curious as to what I should look for when I go back to look again.

Thanks!

[azguy]

Value is always in originality, hands, dial, bezel, etc... How much has the case been polished, etc... A stretched bracelet is the least of your worries

Pictures are the only way to go...

[jyan212]

Do you have any pics?

[Im Lauf der Zeit]

Post some pictures and you will get all the useful feedback you need. Otherwise, look out!

[cajuntiger]

Either he is clueless as to its value or something is very wrong...Id guess the later. But in either case w/o photos its all speculation.

[dstacy]

A original 5512 for $4,000? Nope, no way not going to happen. A franken, maybe but this is all speculation without pictures.

[southtexas]

Could be a perfectly legit watch. Jeweler buys it for $2k from seller who recalled paying $400 for it, so exited deal happy. Jeweler marks it up 100%, and is perfectly happy doubling his money.

Pics wil help.

[JohnBaker3]

Pics plus the phone number of the jeweler would help !!

[enginerd]

Originally Posted by southtexas

Could be a perfectly legit watch. Jeweler buys it for $2k from seller who recalled paying $400 for it, so exited deal happy. Jeweler marks it up 100%, and is perfectly happy doubling his money.

Pics wil help.

Agreed. I bought a 14060 for my father's birthday last year and the seller asked if I wanted his "old Datejust" he never wore as well. I paid $4100 for the pair. Best part: the 14060 was serviced the year prior.

I forgot, pics or it didn't happen

[NukeMan]

A great deal! Congratulations!

[meisenberg44]

Here are some pics from the purchase!

[meisenberg44]

bump for more info

[donaker]

I'm no expert, but at the very least it looks like a resumed dial due to it having no patina at all. I've never seen a 5512 with hands like that either. Some very early subs had gilt hands but the second hand usually isn't straight.

I'm sure the pros will chime in shortly but I fear this is a Franken at the very least. Might make an interesting project watch if enough is legit though.

Good luck.

[cajuntiger]

What is the serial number on the case?

[linesiders]

Hands and dial look replaced with crap. There is much of the value. Tops of the CGs look polished down pretty good.

[waspy1]

Difficult to see clear details of the dial in your pics. It appears to be similar to a chapter ring gilt but I suspect it is a redial or fake. This dial should be in a 1960-63 PCG 5512 if it was correct. Additionally, the hands appear to be gilt which is wrong for this year of 5512 and the second hand is incorrect. Looks like a complete mashup to be honest. If the dial is a genuine gilt then there is some value there but I have great doubts that it is.


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[meisenberg44]

2958xxx is the serial

[cajuntiger]

Stay away from this...its all wrong. The case is much later than whatever is inside. If you look up frankenwatch in the dictionary, you get a similar image.

[meisenberg44]

To be honest I have absolutely no idea what Gilt, Chapter Ring or PCG or CGs mean. Just an impulse buy.

[cajuntiger]

You bought it? hopefully you used a credit card and can get your money back.

[nycpassat]

is this you?

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f29/c-1...s-1339418.html

[meisenberg44]

Yep- I brought it to two dealers in the NYC who both said it was an authentic watch- thats why I put it up. Obviously didnt do enough homework- I will have it pulled

[donaker]

The "curious watch deal" gets curiouser!

[Beaumont Miller II]

I have retyped this a few times now.
You have purchased a parts watch.
Better pics would help, but it looks like the case, dial, hands, and bracelet are from different eras and not all Subs. I have issues with the dial and hands.

[cajuntiger]

so you bought it to sell it, yet you have no idea what it is?? "Curious watch deal" is an understatement.

[meisenberg44]

Well I was told that it was authentic...Why not..

[meisenberg44]

Just didn't do enough homework. People make mistakes

[TAG_TOSSER]

This thread is a mix of lol and bs.
This is why you only buy watches from reputable people.
It's sad when you're on a forum that is telling you it's a Franken and you post it on another forum and don't mention it. I get that you were duped but it's no reason to dupe anyone else. But then again it looks that if you get your asking price you're making over $2000.
So... Congrats??

[cajuntiger]

Originally Posted by meisenberg44

Why not..

because generally if it sounds to good to be true...it usually is.

But, you've already answered why not in your post above:

Originally Posted by meisenberg44

To be honest I have absolutely no idea what Gilt, Chapter Ring or PCG or CGs mean. Just an impulse buy.

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by meisenberg44

Yep- I brought it to two dealers in the NYC who both said it was an authentic watch- thats why I put it up. Obviously didnt do enough homework- I will have it pulled

Yet you just bumped it asking for offers ten minutes ago? Or am I missing something?