Curious Watch Deal

[JustinK]

Just saw it on Ebay, current bid $1.25 with free shipping!

[KellyM3]

Why isn't this guy banned for perpetrating fraud?

[watchcrank]

Case, bezel & movement, rest has dubious value. Parts watch indeed. M

[donaker]

Originally Posted by HERITAGE82

It's not sympathy... Simply the world we live in and I am not going to pretend it doesn't happen.

I guess some of us simply wish most people had a basic level of integrity and morality.

The OP came here seemingly asking for help with a purchase decision. After a bit of digging around we find he's trying to profit by misrepresenting a watch he now knows is not authentic.

I can understand why folks would be a bit miffed.

[HERITAGE82]

Originally Posted by donaker

I guess some of us simply wish most people had a basic level of integrity and morality.

The OP came here seemingly asking for help with a purchase decision. After a bit of digging around we find he's trying to profit by misrepresenting a watch he now knows is not authentic.

I can understand why folks would be a bit miffed.

I think we all wished that buying and selling anything especially vintage watches was done with integrity and morality. However, its just not the way it is and I see why people are miffed and even though I was purposefully poking this situation (see post #57) it doesn't change the fact that in this hobby or any vintage hobby homework and knowledge is paramount.

[cajuntiger]

If you bought this from a "reputable dealer" why arent you returning it?

Sorry, but this whole story is sketchy.

[cajuntiger]

And why is your for sale listing still active?
He has now lowered the price to $6500...yet still claims its a Rolex. Shame on you, this is considered fraud.

[kfalk]

Originally Posted by SMSgt Bo

Good info guys. Just so you know, we shut down the sales post on WUS.

What ever happened to goodwill toward men during the holidays?

I'd ban his ass from both forums. Not right AT ALL.

[donaker]

Originally Posted by HERITAGE82

I think we all wished that buying and selling anything especially vintage watches was done with integrity and morality. However, its just not the way it is and I see why people are miffed and even though I was purposefully poking this situation (see post #57) it doesn't change the fact that in this hobby or any vintage hobby homework and knowledge is paramount.

I'm more than grateful for the kind folks here who generously share their knowledge and experience. When I see actions like those of the OP, I fear it will alienate the good people.

Perhaps if more fraudulent people were called out and held accountable for their actions, there would be fewer such incidents.

Even if you were playing devil's advocate, this guy doesn't deserve a free pass.

[goldfixer21]

The OP's plans went in the crapper pretty quick...

[HERITAGE82]

Originally Posted by donaker

i'm more than grateful for the kind folks here who generously share their knowledge and experience. When i see actions like those of the op, i fear it will alienate the good people.

Perhaps if more fraudulent people were called out and held accountable for their actions, there would be fewer such incidents.

Even if you were playing devil's advocate, this guy doesn't deserve a free pass.

I agree especially since it is a complete fake.

[omitohud]

If its unintentional, then its excused. But this is an outright lie for profit which is simply unethical. Its against the integrity of this forum.


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[Wing Zero]

It's not completely fake.

He has a genuine Acrylic Pearl and a long 5 insert.

[Jidonsu]

Looks like his WUS FS thread is gone. Good.

[Wing Zero]

Yes but it now lives here:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/C-1970-Rolex...16.m2516.l5255

[cajuntiger]

Clearly his whole story is BS. If he bought from a reputable dealer he would have returned it. Now he is committing fraud.

[linesiders]

Originally Posted by JustinK

Just saw it on Ebay, current bid $1.25 with free shipping!

Originally Posted by KellyM3

Why isn't this guy banned for perpetrating fraud?

Originally Posted by Wing Zero

It's not completely fake.

He has a genuine Acrylic Pearl and a long 5 insert.

Reported to FleaBay - also - I am not sure that insert is legit.

[johneh]

This is the reply I got on the bay...

"Actually, selling a parts watch- every piece is authentic. Bidding is up to a hundred dollars. Someone's getting a great deal."

Greasy indeed.

[TAG_TOSSER]

I've been on TRF for a while but not exactly present. Do the mods here do anything about this? It's sad he's a pledge member and trying to sell a fake. His story is obviously false about the jewelry store.

Very glad this got exposed. Piece of trash.

I've reported many on eBay selling fake snowflake subs. I got a reply after PM'ing the buyers, one guy told me he spent $8000 on two of them from this guy, he thanked me and was able to get money back from his credit card company. The piece of shit seller replied to me "oh well, I'll go sell them somewhere else".

These people are criminals.
And somehow this OP is dumb enough to start a thread here and try to get away with it.

[TAG_TOSSER]

Originally Posted by HERITAGE82

I agree especially since it is a complete fake.

Maybe next time call it a night before you try justifying a liar. These are the types of people that leave a smelly brown stain on vintage collecting as a whole.

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by Wing Zero

Yes but it now lives here:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/C-1970-Rolex...16.m2516.l5255

Let us all report it to e-bay.

[marcello pisani]

" 1560 Cal movement! The earlier version before the 1570 came out in the 1970s "

[HERITAGE82]

Originally Posted by TAG_TOSSER

Maybe next time call it a night before you try justifying a liar. These are the types of people that leave a smelly brown stain on vintage collecting as a whole.

I understand why you are miffed and maybe I could have called it a night, but then I wouldn't have enjoyed the back and forth

"the smelly brown stain" on Vintage is what it is. This is a world wide hobby with hundreds of thousands of watches being bought and sold so I still say BUYER BEWARE!!

Also, I want to point out that the majority of what I wrote was for buyers to do the due diligence if they want to own a vintage Rolex. I also don't believe I justified anything he did. However, I did state that I do not care and still do not care if people want to put fake, franken or any other combination of vintage watches on the market....you know why?!?

Because I for one do my due diligence and would prefer people to learn and do the same and not just buy watches that cost multiple thousands of dollars without knowing what they are getting themselves into. As I said previously this is not like buying a modern Rolex (which there are still tons of counterfeits and frankens too)

*** I also reported the item to eBay to assist those poor soles that buy expensive items without knowing anything about them

[Brushpup]

Originally Posted by HERITAGE82

I understand why you are miffed and maybe I could have called it a night, but then I wouldn't have enjoyed the back and forth

"the smelly brown stain" on Vintage is what it is. This is a world wide hobby with hundreds of thousands of watches being bought and sold so I still say BUYER BEWARE!!

Also, I want to point out that the majority of what I wrote was for buyers to do the due diligence if they want to own a vintage Rolex.

It seems you still miss, or flat refuse to acknowledge the entire point defending the defenseless. Buyers can do without the sort of help you are purporting to offer.

Friendly back and forth is how you describe it? I don't think it was funny, and I doubt I'm the only one who will remember how you feel about potential buyers. But more importantly, how it reflects on you as a potential seller.

It says to me you're fine with deceiving someone and if they don't do enough homework, then tough luck.

[Wing Zero]

Originally Posted by HERITAGE82

Because I for one do my due diligence and would prefer people to get burned and do the same and not just buy watches that cost multiple thousands of dollars without knowing what they are getting themselves into.

Here I fixed it for you.

[Robbyvm]

I would dare to ask the mods on this forum to ban this member...
There is , to my opinion, no room for these kind of people here.

A petition !

[CMSgt Bo]

Originally Posted by johneh

This is the reply I got on the bay...

"Actually, selling a parts watch- every piece is authentic. Bidding is up to a hundred dollars. Someone's getting a great deal."

Greasy indeed.

Parts watch? But he states in his (now cancelled) auction "This watch has never hit the watchmaker and is running without being touched"...is he kidding? The watch was built by a Watchmaker out of spare parts.

BTW, he was banned over at WUS after seeing his EBay auction this morning. The community does't need guys like this.

[HERITAGE82]

Originally Posted by Brushpup

It seems you still miss, or flat refuse to acknowledge the entire point defending the defenseless. Buyers can do without the sort of help you are purporting to offer.

Friendly back and forth is how you describe it? I don't think it was funny, and I doubt I'm the only one who will remember how you feel about potential buyers. But more importantly, how it reflects on you as a potential seller.

It says to me you're fine with deceiving someone and if they don't do enough homework, then tough luck.

I am not a potential seller. I am a buyer and trader....Also, how many times have we read responses to threads that say "I wish people would ask BEFORE buying not after"

I am not defending anyone just merely stating the obvious that buying a vintage rolex takes some time and effort not just $.

Again I apologize if what I have written has been offensive, but I will say that anyone who reads this thread and is in the market for a vintage Rolex will most likeky do more research.

[HERITAGE82]

Originally Posted by Wing Zero

Here I fixed it for you.

I wouldn't prefer people to get burned, I would prefer them to research their item. However some people feel the need to touch the stove even though they are told its hot.

[enginerd]

Originally Posted by HERITAGE82

*** poor soles

Are these the same as broke feet?