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Passionata · 13 July 2011, 05:49 AM

I told BMW is cheap

blackmsport · 13 July 2011, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by swatty

LL01 costs me double that and I buy in bulk , 300-400 Lt at a time

I have no idea how much it costs them to buy (BM Autowerks) but they charged me $89 in my bill + $20 filter the rest (total $173) is labour, levy etc...

my $5 was a guess (sorry)..... as $89/5.5 litres = $16 a litre..... they must have a good margin for parts

By the way most independent BM owners are ex-BM technician and they are trained by BM

Plus they service the car personally and repair when they can whilst BM dealers they just replace and they employ mainly 18-20yo apprentice....

BMpartsonline.com.au and ask Matthew he can get any BM parts at almost 1/2 BM dealer price

Art161 · 17 July 2011, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by figbo

Ford F-150 oil change + filter=16.99USD,free labor at Raf's garage.

Yeah, buy a Ford. My dealer often runs specials. My latest Mustang oil change, with 6 quarts of synthetic blend and oil filter, was $16.94 USD out the door. They also did a 31-point inspection at no charge. And they offer free popcorn in the customer lounge.

blackmsport · 17 July 2011, 07:12 AM

Saab, Lexus and even BM run specials for new car with free servicing for 3 years now... they probably give you an instant coffee on arrival... and ask you to take bus back to work

gmh1013 · 17 July 2011, 12:17 PM

All this talk of liters and UK pounds and then to convert pounds to dollars and liters to gallons gave me headache

RolexPete32 · 17 July 2011, 12:35 PM

wow I pay in the ball park of 34 bucks for my oil change on my chevy from the dealer. I am shocked with the prices you guys are talking about here??? I was considering a bmw or another high end car in the future well not anymore.

Newportkrieger · 17 July 2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RolexPete32

wow I pay in the ball park of 34 bucks for my oil change on my chevy from the dealer. I am shocked with the prices you guys are talking about here??? I was considering a bmw or another high end car in the future well not anymore.

The cost of BMW required high tech synthetic oil is a big component of the cost of an oil change on a BMW. An oil SERVICE is more than just an oil change.

Newportkrieger · 17 July 2011, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmsport

Saab, Lexus and even BM run specials for new car with free servicing for 3 years now... they probably give you an instant coffee on arrival... and ask you to take bus back to work

Here in USA BMW offers free maintanence for 4 yrs/50,000 mi. Both the local BMW dealers here in Orange County will provide you with a free BMW 3 series sedan loaner car until your service or repairs are finished.

Newportkrieger · 17 July 2011, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jnkay

@Newportkrieger, interesting post. I went German for the first time with a 335i and my warranty is coming to an end soon. I will either trade the car or buy an extended warranty, either thru BMW or an independent product that my local Bavarian repair shop recommends. I love this car, but the cost of continuing to own concerns me more than a little.

Question: what did you mean by "I personally would not own any BMW made after 2006 once it is off warranty and with the drive was never invented?"

Answer: TYPO. It should read: I personally would not own any BMW made after 2006 once it is off warranty and I wish the i-Drive had never been invented.

Newportkrieger · 17 July 2011, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ejell

I have found my Maserati Spyder to be the most efficient way for me to transfer all of my money to mechanics, even without going back to the dealership.

blackmsport · 17 July 2011, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Newportkrieger

Answer: TYPO. It should read: I personally would not own any BMW made after 2006 once it is off warranty and I wish the i-Drive had never been invented.

Just spot on

GradyPhilpott · 17 July 2011, 01:34 PM

I'm in a different league, but my Honda dealer is quite competitive with local shops.

They also pretty much always have some special that drops the cost and they apply it whether I bring in a coupon or not.

For oil changes, their price is competitive, but they're as slow as molasses, so I don't bother.

Of course, Honda is a lot different than the high-end cars, so I'm not making a direct comparison.

taughtmepatience · 17 July 2011, 01:38 PM

My wife has a 2003 325i, and if we had to repair it at the dealer, we'd have gotten rid of it long ago. I've been able to repair everything myself so far, and find it no harder than any other car to repair.

Worn Bushings. Replacement part was $80 (if I remember correctly) repair was 2hrs. Dealer wanted $350.
Expansion tank cracked. Replacement was $65 and 1 hour of labor. Dealer wanted $500
Check engine light on. Sprayed MAF cleaner into the MAF... $5 and ten min of labor. Cleared the code with a code reader. Dealer wanted $120 to diagnose the problem.
Brakes: $120 in parts and 2 hours of labor. Most of the time was spent jacking up the car and taking the wheels off. Dealer wanted something like $750.

We take the car to the dealer just for laughs now...

blackmsport · 17 July 2011, 03:40 PM

Took me 10 min and YouTube to change aircond microfilter plus 50 for new filter
Dealer quoted $180
Dealer is a laugh
YouTube is wonderful.... bmwpartsonline.com.au is awesome

Clarence · 17 July 2011, 04:03 PM

bmw's are expensive to maintain.

blackmsport · 17 July 2011, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Clarence

bmw's are expensive to maintain.

Just like a Rolex.... expensive to maintain

watchf · 17 July 2011, 04:30 PM

I have a Japanese workhorse

Still not cheap though last 60k service cost almost $280 and it wasn't a major service. The last major 40k service costed about $400

007bond · 17 July 2011, 06:21 PM

Very interesting discussion. As was correctly mentioned, any late model high line European car must either be on warranty or on extended warranty. Otherwise you're looking at major money to give dealer/mechanic that could be better spent on a watch.
One of my favorite possessions is a 1987 Porsche Carrera (3.2 black Targa). A model of simplicity, it has no radiator, no power steering and no power brakes. Its engine is air cooled and phenomenally reliable. As for dealers, they show no mercy, having a trusted independent mechanic is the way to go.

SkyKing31 · 17 July 2011, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mac-Apple

Bmw's cost to much to maintain, My buddy has a 06 750il ,and just paid 450$ to get his left window fixed. The motor died in the door along with some wire that got tangled up . I am happy to have Lexus with parts I get at cost :D Bmw's are awesome cars just not when they are out of warranty.

I had a 7 series bmw that I traded for my Lexus LS 460 .. I prefer the customer service I recieve at Lexus, and the cost to own it is less than that of my 750 LI

Art 1 · 17 July 2011, 09:23 PM

A friend of mine lost a transmission on a 7 series just after the warranty expired. I think he told me it cost $8000 to replace.

axxeman01 · 17 July 2011, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DCgator

I had a 1994 5 series a few years ago and I mostly used independent BMW mechanics to work on my car for the better hourly rates while getting the same type of work and OEM parts.

Absolutely. I have a 94 530i and a 00 M5, and the only wrench turning I do is changing my own oil (Mobil 1 5w-30 btw), the rest I have my indy do, and he doesn't charge $99 an hour like the stealership.

Mac-Apple · 17 July 2011, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyKing31

I had a 7 series bmw that I traded for my Lexus LS 460 .. I prefer the customer service I recieve at Lexus, and the cost to own it is less than that of my 750 LI

The 460 is a awesome ride

I will be getting one next year, my 03 Gs just hit 100k ,and I love it just as much as I did when I got it new.

Gagebuilder · 18 July 2011, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by figbo

Ford F-150 oil change + filter=16.99USD,free labor at Raf's garage.

You was robbed, Raf. I pre-paid for 4 oil changes at the stealership for my Compass:

$63.55 for 4 changes, takes about 20 minutes.

I'm very tired of wasting money on depreciating assets. Cars, houses, women ...

RolexPete32 · 18 July 2011, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Newportkrieger

The cost of BMW required high tech synthetic oil is a big component of the cost of an oil change on a BMW. An oil SERVICE is more than just an oil change.

Thank you that helps. I did not really get it.

gmh1013 · 18 July 2011, 09:05 AM

My 07 Highlander cost 21.95 for oil at the Toyota dealer for Vavoline's finest 5w 20

craigc · 6 February 2013, 02:09 AM

my 2004 corsa costs 45.00 quid to change the oil

SLRdude · 6 February 2013, 02:24 AM

Mercedes charged me $150 for an oil change on my 2012 smart Fortwo.

wantonebad · 6 February 2013, 02:36 AM

AUDI 25,000 scheduled maintenance = Oil change, tire rotation and re-balancing, resetting of TPMS. $276.

So basically they gave me an oil change and did what NTB would charge me $25 for and I had to hand them an extra $175.

SUBversive · 6 February 2013, 05:00 AM

Why do dealerships lie so much and so often? I guess I wouldn't mind paying thru the nose for top quality service, but even when you pay I don't get top quality and the lie up sell has become so blatant now it's a joke.

bayerische · 6 February 2013, 05:27 AM

Well, holy thread bump, but very interesting one so here we go...

The Premier BMW "stealer" here in Finland, wanted to charge me 4950 euro for replacing the complete vanos system on bank 1. Only fault even on their comprehensive high-pressure vanos test showed (in print) immortalized on my garage wall the 4 solenoids (two on each cylinder bank = connected to inlet and outlet cams) not performing as should. A solenoid is 100 euro, so 400 euro.

I'm having my favorite tuner, mechanic and fellow watch fan Raikku to replace them. Hoping we would join this forum!

13 July 2011, 05:49 AM	#31
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17 July 2011, 01:34 PM	#42
GradyPhilpott 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: 116710 BLNR Posts: 34,351	I'm in a different league, but my Honda dealer is quite competitive with local shops. They also pretty much always have some special that drops the cost and they apply it whether I bring in a coupon or not. For oil changes, their price is competitive, but they're as slow as molasses, so I don't bother. Of course, Honda is a lot different than the high-end cars, so I'm not making a direct comparison. __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

17 July 2011, 01:38 PM	#43
taughtmepatience "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: CA Posts: 130	My wife has a 2003 325i, and if we had to repair it at the dealer, we'd have gotten rid of it long ago. I've been able to repair everything myself so far, and find it no harder than any other car to repair. Worn Bushings. Replacement part was $80 (if I remember correctly) repair was 2hrs. Dealer wanted $350. Expansion tank cracked. Replacement was $65 and 1 hour of labor. Dealer wanted $500 Check engine light on. Sprayed MAF cleaner into the MAF... $5 and ten min of labor. Cleared the code with a code reader. Dealer wanted $120 to diagnose the problem. Brakes: $120 in parts and 2 hours of labor. Most of the time was spent jacking up the car and taking the wheels off. Dealer wanted something like $750. We take the car to the dealer just for laughs now... __________________ taught. 14060M COSC Officina Del Tempo

17 July 2011, 04:03 PM	#45
Clarence "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Ed Location: Jamestown, NY Posts: 273	bmw's are expensive to maintain. __________________ 116710N (sold) IWC GST Automatic Alarm (sold) 16610 Rolex Sub-Date SS, Ref# 3707 IWC GST Chrono IWC Big Pilot (sold) Rolex DSSD? Last time I looked it was SDDS. Whatever.

6 February 2013, 02:09 AM	#56
craigc "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: london Posts: 1	Vauxhall corsa my 2004 corsa costs 45.00 quid to change the oil

17 July 2011, 07:12 AM	#34
blackmsport Banned Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melb - Australia Posts: 2,959	Saab, Lexus and even BM run specials for new car with free servicing for 3 years now... they probably give you an instant coffee on arrival... and ask you to take bus back to work

17 July 2011, 12:17 PM	#35
gmh1013 Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: greg Location: Tempe AZ Watch: GMT Posts: 5,703	All this talk of liters and UK pounds and then to convert pounds to dollars and liters to gallons gave me headache

17 July 2011, 12:35 PM	#36
RolexPete32 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Peter Location: Canada Watch: You know... Rolex Posts: 1,520	wow I pay in the ball park of 34 bucks for my oil change on my chevy from the dealer. I am shocked with the prices you guys are talking about here??? I was considering a bmw or another high end car in the future well not anymore.

17 July 2011, 03:40 PM	#44
blackmsport Banned Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melb - Australia Posts: 2,959	Took me 10 min and YouTube to change aircond microfilter plus 50 for new filter Dealer quoted $180 Dealer is a laugh YouTube is wonderful.... bmwpartsonline.com.au is awesome

17 July 2011, 04:30 PM	#47
watchf "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 2,458	I have a Japanese workhorse Still not cheap though last 60k service cost almost $280 and it wasn't a major service. The last major 40k service costed about $400

17 July 2011, 06:21 PM	#48
007bond "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: EARTH Watch: Rolex Posts: 135	Very interesting discussion. As was correctly mentioned, any late model high line European car must either be on warranty or on extended warranty. Otherwise you're looking at major money to give dealer/mechanic that could be better spent on a watch. One of my favorite possessions is a 1987 Porsche Carrera (3.2 black Targa). A model of simplicity, it has no radiator, no power steering and no power brakes. Its engine is air cooled and phenomenally reliable. As for dealers, they show no mercy, having a trusted independent mechanic is the way to go.

17 July 2011, 09:23 PM	#50
Art 1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Florida, Canada Watch: Rol/Seik/Tud/Omega Posts: 30,244	A friend of mine lost a transmission on a 7 series just after the warranty expired. I think he told me it cost $8000 to replace.

18 July 2011, 09:05 AM	#55
gmh1013 Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: greg Location: Tempe AZ Watch: GMT Posts: 5,703	My 07 Highlander cost 21.95 for oil at the Toyota dealer for Vavoline's finest 5w 20

6 February 2013, 02:24 AM	#57
SLRdude "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Real Name: Chip Location: Dallas TX Posts: 6,194	Mercedes charged me $150 for an oil change on my 2012 smart Fortwo. __________________ Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try. Yoda, Jedi Master CHIP Member # 87

6 February 2013, 02:36 AM	#58
wantonebad 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: USA Watch: 126600, 116500LN Posts: 12,834	AUDI 25,000 scheduled maintenance = Oil change, tire rotation and re-balancing, resetting of TPMS. $276. So basically they gave me an oil change and did what NTB would charge me $25 for and I had to hand them an extra $175. __________________ "I'm kind of a big deal... on a fairly irrelevant social media site that falsely inflates my fragile ego"

6 February 2013, 05:00 AM	#59
SUBversive Banned Join Date: May 2011 Location: ri Watch: Sun Dial Posts: 14,346	Why do dealerships lie so much and so often? I guess I wouldn't mind paying thru the nose for top quality service, but even when you pay I don't get top quality and the lie up sell has become so blatant now it's a joke.

6 February 2013, 05:27 AM	#60
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	Well, holy thread bump, but very interesting one so here we go... The Premier BMW "stealer" here in Finland, wanted to charge me 4950 euro for replacing the complete vanos system on bank 1. Only fault even on their comprehensive high-pressure vanos test showed (in print) immortalized on my garage wall the 4 solenoids (two on each cylinder bank = connected to inlet and outlet cams) not performing as should. A solenoid is 100 euro, so 400 euro. I'm having my favorite tuner, mechanic and fellow watch fan Raikku to replace them. Hoping we would join this forum! __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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