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watchuneedthemost · 12 August 2020, 06:07 AM

Hello folks,

I need help authenticating this 2784 movement. Any help will be appreciated. For reference, this is on a 9411 snowflake that I am being offered.

Thanks!

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watchuneedthemost · 12 August 2020, 06:09 AM

I know I did not take a shot of the movement number, but I have seen it and its there. Just wanted to make sure everything else looks legit. Thanks!

coelacanthus · 12 August 2020, 07:37 AM

Check out past sales of HQ Milton and observe their movement shots. I'm not an expert, but I'd imagine the rotor would have the branding engraved and filled, not just printed like this one. Not sure about 9411, but on my 94110, finishing and all details of the movement components are miles better than this one. Also I'd expect "9411" on the case back on the inside. I'm sure other knowledgeable folks can chime in, but I don't feel right about what I'm seeing.

watchuneedthemost · 12 August 2020, 07:44 AM

Hi thanks for your response. I've been looking online for the better part of today and have found some 2784 movements with the same rotor i.e not engraved....

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offrdmania · 12 August 2020, 07:49 AM

Also, keep in mind that rotors are one of the easiest things to be replaced in a service. An older engraved style rotor would be replace by a newer printed one. These ETA movements are hard to authenticate since the fake ones have gotten so good.

This may help

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=405196

And these pics may help to match things up

https://watchguy.co.uk/cgi-bin/libra...tos&wat_id=752

watchuneedthemost · 12 August 2020, 07:53 AM

I thought as much.... everything else about the watch maps and I've bought the seller......always scary getting into a vintage piece....pics of dial attached

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alwayshere · 12 August 2020, 01:35 PM

looks fine to me. I have seen these variations before.

The other verification method is to look at the engraving on the dial side. It should have a "tudor geneve" engraving but you'll have to remove the dial + hands.

watchuneedthemost · 12 August 2020, 10:15 PM

Thanks folks!

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12 August 2020, 06:07 AM	#1
watchuneedthemost "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Real Name: Ro Location: Chicago Watch: Aqua Terra 2503.33 Posts: 598	Help authenticating this 2784 movement Hello folks, I need help authenticating this 2784 movement. Any help will be appreciated. For reference, this is on a 9411 snowflake that I am being offered. Thanks! Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk

12 August 2020, 07:49 AM	#5
offrdmania 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 X2 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Matt Location: Wine Country, Ca Posts: 5,846	Also, keep in mind that rotors are one of the easiest things to be replaced in a service. An older engraved style rotor would be replace by a newer printed one. These ETA movements are hard to authenticate since the fake ones have gotten so good. This may help https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=405196 And these pics may help to match things up https://watchguy.co.uk/cgi-bin/libra...tos&wat_id=752 __________________ TRF Member 11738

12 August 2020, 06:09 AM	#2
watchuneedthemost "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Real Name: Ro Location: Chicago Watch: Aqua Terra 2503.33 Posts: 598	I know I did not take a shot of the movement number, but I have seen it and its there. Just wanted to make sure everything else looks legit. Thanks!

12 August 2020, 07:37 AM	#3
coelacanthus "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: SF, CA, USA Posts: 148	Check out past sales of HQ Milton and observe their movement shots. I'm not an expert, but I'd imagine the rotor would have the branding engraved and filled, not just printed like this one. Not sure about 9411, but on my 94110, finishing and all details of the movement components are miles better than this one. Also I'd expect "9411" on the case back on the inside. I'm sure other knowledgeable folks can chime in, but I don't feel right about what I'm seeing.

12 August 2020, 07:44 AM	#4
watchuneedthemost "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Real Name: Ro Location: Chicago Watch: Aqua Terra 2503.33 Posts: 598	Hi thanks for your response. I've been looking online for the better part of today and have found some 2784 movements with the same rotor i.e not engraved.... Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk

12 August 2020, 07:53 AM	#6
watchuneedthemost "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Real Name: Ro Location: Chicago Watch: Aqua Terra 2503.33 Posts: 598	I thought as much.... everything else about the watch maps and I've bought the seller......always scary getting into a vintage piece....pics of dial attached Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk

12 August 2020, 01:35 PM	#7
alwayshere "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Australia Posts: 1,511	looks fine to me. I have seen these variations before. The other verification method is to look at the engraving on the dial side. It should have a "tudor geneve" engraving but you'll have to remove the dial + hands.

12 August 2020, 10:15 PM	#8
watchuneedthemost "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Real Name: Ro Location: Chicago Watch: Aqua Terra 2503.33 Posts: 598	Thanks folks! Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk

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