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Old 24 December 2009, 01:17 AM   #31
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If he's reading this, I hope he will realize that a couple Rolexes aren't worth two broken kneecaps and other permanent bodily damage and comes clean. In modern day it is not that hard to find him. Search is in the works.
greg...THATs why we get along..great minds think alike. lemme know if i can help. you know where to find me.
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Old 24 December 2009, 01:26 AM   #32
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Rediculous.....I was seriously considering that TT with the Serti. Good luck man! I work with some people in SC, They're checking on the name/addr.
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Old 24 December 2009, 01:31 AM   #33
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Old 24 December 2009, 01:33 AM   #34
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I hope this will have a happy ending for you.
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Old 24 December 2009, 01:35 AM   #35
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These are the reasons why you see the news from time to time saying that a bod was found decomposed in the trunk of a car or in a bush. I've seen people do this type of stuff here in Miami and next morning you hear that they were found on the side of a road in an industrial park with an ant pile growing in their mouths.

Don't like violence and it doesn't solve anything, but not everyone thinks like me. And you may come across some crazy motherfu%ker that won't be contacting the authorities in this scenario.
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Old 24 December 2009, 01:36 AM   #36
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no such address

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Old 24 December 2009, 01:40 AM   #37
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This would not be considered theft unfortunately, sadly there is not much recourse in terms of legalities. Most often these types of transactions are considered civil issues and can only be handled through civil court. Joey contact me at mattherrera58@gmail.com or 719-214-2277....I can let you know what your options are. I am so sorry buddy.
Matt, you are 100% incorrect. It is called fraud in my business, which is criminal. Better take some time and look at some fraud statutes.

It is also a federal violation!
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Old 24 December 2009, 01:41 AM   #38
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That is absolutely disgusting

I hope you recoup your watches.
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Old 24 December 2009, 01:43 AM   #39
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Good luck. Will be thinking about you. Please keep us posted.
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Old 24 December 2009, 01:45 AM   #40
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Mail fraud is a federal crime

this certainly is it. Contact the local PD as well as the Postal Inspector Service.
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Old 24 December 2009, 01:49 AM   #41
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OMG! The email address on the FS ad is now different than it was before. I feel like an idiot! $12,000!
can you post the original email address? I have someone that is a master in digital forensics and information security, perhaps I can pass on the info?
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Old 24 December 2009, 01:53 AM   #42
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No such address 404 Waterville Dr Columbia SC
The thing is that FedEx sent me verification of delivery to that very address yesterday afternoon. My two watches were delivered and signed for by a "C Hayes" at 12:36 at 404 Waterville.

What really pisses me off is that I sent him my Submariner 16613 with a custom diamond dial I bought in 1992. The only watch I would ever consider trading or selling it for is the 16618.

I did a reverse phone search on his number and found that it is registered to a "Don Jones" in Columbia.

I am off to the bank to find out where my money went. Thanks so very much for your words of support. I feel like an idiot for not checking this guy out better, but I felt safe here at TRF, having done a great transaction in the past on a Datejust, (which is now in Don's hands.)
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Old 24 December 2009, 01:57 AM   #43
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can you post the original email address? I have someone that is a master in digital forensics and information security, perhaps I can pass on the info?
His original address was:

therolex4me@gmail.com

I see that I was wrong about him changing addresses. I was thinking his address was TheRolex88@gmail.com, but apparently it wasn't.
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Old 24 December 2009, 01:57 AM   #44
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joeychitwood,

PM me all the info that you have on this guy, the internet forensics contact I have can find out personal info form posters on "anonymous" posting web sites, so if you have any info I am sure he can find out who he really is.
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Old 24 December 2009, 01:59 AM   #45
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joeychitwood,

PM me all the info that you have on this guy, the internet forensics contact I have can find out personal info form posters on "anonymous" posting web sites, so if you have any info I am sure he can find out who he really is.
Thanks. I'll forward the information I have on Andy Hayes aka Don Jones.
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Old 24 December 2009, 02:10 AM   #46
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Thanks. I'll forward the information I have on Andy Hayes aka Don Jones.
Got it, sending it off to my slooth
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Old 24 December 2009, 02:10 AM   #47
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Columbia PD :
http://www.columbiapd.com/

United States Postal Inspection Service :
https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/i...MailFraud.aspx
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Old 24 December 2009, 02:22 AM   #48
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I KNOW what you are going through and I REALLY feel for you. I was scammed in Sep 2008 and wrote about it here on TRF. A SICKENING feeling. Go talk to your bank and see what they can find out. Also, as suggested, call the authorities immediately. Unfortunately, my scammer was in Canada and I have no idea if he was ever caught. I contacted the FBI as well with details but they never contacted me back to follow-up. A helpless feeling indeed.

I REALLY hope that the watches you sent were insured. I am adamant about insurance and the watch I sent my scammer WAS covered so I ended up making a claim and being reimbursed THANK G-D.

Please keep us posted and don't give up. Wishing you all the best.

I PRAY that your scammer GETS WHAT'S COMING TO HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 24 December 2009, 02:26 AM   #49
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best wishes and hope the justice gets served on this scum!
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Old 24 December 2009, 02:26 AM   #50
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Yup, its sad there are people out there that would do this type of thing. Those people are not welcome here!
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Old 24 December 2009, 02:32 AM   #51
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All the information we hold is :

Registration Email :
gateway8708@yahoo.com

Registration IP :
192.127.94.7 : tan7.ncr.com

Alternative IP : 66.57.165.88

If he had made a Pledge Donation we would have had a Paypal payment path back to a bank account or credit card number.

Unfortunately this was not the case, he/she was a total newbie with just over the requisite number of posts to be allowed to post an advert.

We appreciate that you are now looking back and seeing the same warning signs as Steve (Lol-x) did. Don't beat yourself up about it, just make the complaint to the appropriate LE dept/agency and try to get your bank to reverse the transaction.

In the UK a bank transaction can be reversed after the event. The fraud section of the banks can and will take action providing that the course of event is clearly detailed.

Whilst I would be inclined to take myself to the exact address where the watch was delivered I can't formally recommend this to you as there would be possible hazards involved in tackling an unknown person that you would need to take into consideration.

Make all the phone calls possible and get your sequence of events clear and concise.
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Old 24 December 2009, 02:34 AM   #52
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I really feel for you, Joey, and I do hope this matter gets sorted out in your favour.

One thing I don't understand - you sent him 2 watches PLUS $12K? Why? The asking price for the gold Sub was only $12K, so not sure how those 2 watches come into the picture.

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Old 24 December 2009, 02:36 AM   #53
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Wow... Just Wow... I thought I'd never see this here... Wow...

Joey, I know how excited you were about getting the All Gold Subby. I'm really sorry about this terrible incident. You'll be on my prayers and I hope you get your watches back and you may get your dream 116618. If I may be of any assistance don't hesitate to ask.

Best of Luck, Buddy

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Old 24 December 2009, 02:38 AM   #54
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I really feel for you, Joey, and I do hope this matter gets sorted out in your favour.

One thing I don't understand - you sent him 2 watches PLUS $12K? Why? The asking price for the gold Sub was only $12K, so not sure how those 2 watches come into the picture.

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The price the the scammer's advert, said it was lowered to 11 thousand, but still does not matter thats alot of money!
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Old 24 December 2009, 02:41 AM   #55
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The price the the scammer's advert, said it was lowered to 11 thousand, but still does not matter thats alot of money!
Ok, but you still haven't answered my question. Where do the other 2 watches come into the picture?
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Old 24 December 2009, 02:46 AM   #56
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JJ, it was cash+trade , valued at $12000
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Old 24 December 2009, 02:47 AM   #57
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Ok, but you still haven't answered my question. Where do the other 2 watches come into the picture?
That's purely incidental though, JJ.

The scammer managed to convince him to ship his watches and cash to him. He may be a professional con artist and they can pull of the most audacious scams, even from well do and intelligent individuals.

I just hope that the member is on the case of the bank and the LE agencies both in his district and the scammer's.
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Old 24 December 2009, 02:49 AM   #58
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OMG, Contact the authorities!!!!
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Old 24 December 2009, 02:51 AM   #59
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JJ, it was cash+trade , valued at $12000
Oh okay, so he didn't actually send him 12 grand - just the 2 watches plus the difference, is that right?
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That's purely incidental though, JJ.

The scammer managed to convince him to ship his watches and cash to him. He may be a professional con artist and they can pull of the most audacious scams, even from well do and intelligent individuals.

I just hope that the member is on the case of the bank and the LE agencies both in his district and the scammer's.
You've actrually given him good advice in your previous post, Paul. If the transaction can be reversed by the bank, then that would be the best outcome.

I feel terrible for Joey. Just goes to show, even on TRF we need to do our home-work and stick with the regular sellers.......and not just dive into any offer that looks tempting, without being too sure about the seller.

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