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Old 11 March 2020, 02:11 AM   #1
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16520 Inverted 6 - N vs. E

I'm thinking of getting me a 16520.
I nailed down the offers to two specific watches (both coming as full sets):
- E95XX; inverted six, white dial (unpolished)
- N43xx; invented six; white dial (also seems not being polished and bezel is in better condition)

The E series costs € 1k more and comes with a bezel which is in better shape, i.e. looks overall a bit better. What watch you'd recommend to go for?
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Old 11 March 2020, 02:59 AM   #2
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Old 11 March 2020, 03:14 AM   #3
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I'm thinking of getting me a 16520.
I nailed down the offers to two specific watches (both coming as full sets):
- E95XX; inverted six, white dial (unpolished)
- N43xx; invented six; white dial (also seems not being polished and bezel is in better condition)

The E series costs € 1k more and comes with a bezel which is in better shape, i.e. looks overall a bit better. What watch you'd recommend to go for?
I would take an inverted six over an invented six, seven days a week.
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Old 11 March 2020, 03:17 AM   #4
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As I said, pretty comparable except for the bezel. So my question is more in regard to the series. Whether E series is more collectible or rare?
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Old 11 March 2020, 03:37 AM   #5
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I would take an inverted six over an invented six, seven days a week.
Fair enough...
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Old 11 March 2020, 04:11 AM   #6
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Do both have original bezels? Many have been replaced.....that’s where pics come in...do you know bezels they should have??
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As I said, pretty comparable except for the bezel. So my question is more in regard to the series. Whether E series is more collectible or rare?
Is this a serious question?
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Old 11 March 2020, 04:12 AM   #8
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Yes, all bezels are legit and match series numbers. Just the E series has more scratches and flaws.
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Old 11 March 2020, 05:57 AM   #9
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I would take an inverted six over an invented six, seven days a week.


Photos help a great ton. Some eagle eye'd gents on this section will catch things you may not have noticed.
I would go with the one in better condition. Confused in this case which has the better bezel as you mentioned the N serial has a better bezel, and later said the E serial has a bezel in better shape.
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Old 11 March 2020, 08:30 AM   #10
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Always go with condition on a similar model. You’ve been asked for pics and should provide them if you really want help.


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Old 11 March 2020, 07:49 PM   #11
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Here some pictures:

- N43xx; inverted six; white dial (also seems not being polished and bezel is in better condition)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-NK...ew?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ltlhQq3GnE0vckgokXvJ1iH4Kcq5h3Sd/view?usp=sharing



- E95XX; inverted six, white dial (unpolished)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Evn...ew?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XIw...ew?usp=sharing
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Old 11 March 2020, 08:02 PM   #12
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Is there also a consistent view till what N series the inverted 6 dial was used?
On HQ Milton I can only find N1X-N3X with inverted dials; N4X plus come with normal 6 dials. The watch I'm offered though is a N439xx and has an inverted dial, hence I'm a bit confused.

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Old 11 March 2020, 11:34 PM   #13
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Here some pictures:

- N43xx; inverted six; white dial (also seems not being polished and bezel is in better condition)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-NK...ew?usp=sharing

- E95XX; inverted six, white dial (unpolished)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Evn...ew?usp=sharing

Is there also a consistent view till what N series the inverted 6 dial was used?
On HQ Milton I can only find N1X-N3X with inverted dials; N4X plus come with normal 6 dials. The watch I'm offered though is a N439xx and has an inverted dial, hence I'm a bit confused.

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Both of those watches appear polished, IMHO, so I certainly wouldn't make a decision based on that. Just look at the rounded crown guards and lack of super sharp lug edges, and compare them to confirmed unpolished examples. (see below)

As for your broader question, I'd lean toward an "inverted 6" dial, assuming everything else is equal, even if I had to pay a little more. It's a quirky little detail that makes it more interesting.

Also, I'd probably stay away from any N serial 16520 without an "inverted 6" dial. Most likely it's not an original dial in the watch, although like most things Rolex, sometimes there are anomalies that don't fit into our little charts. Still, there would always be a question about the dial, since most collectors' data suggests all N serial Daytonas came with "inverted 6" dials.
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Old 12 March 2020, 12:03 AM   #14
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Here’s a link to a chart I found online that may be helpful in your decision:

https://daytonainfo.files.wordpress..../lifecycle.jpg
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Is this a serious question?
Yes, since there is not difference in dials and bezel (at least to all the charts I've seen). So it's the 1-2 years difference in production.
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Is this a serious question?
Yes, since there is no difference in dials and bezel (at least to all the charts I've seen). So it's the 1-2 years difference in production.
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Old 12 March 2020, 02:50 AM   #17
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Both of those have a different bezels...might need to do more research....
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Old 12 March 2020, 08:51 AM   #18
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Both of those have a different bezels...might need to do more research....
Very interesting - What brings you to this conclusion, especially on the N series one? Comparing with similar models on HQ, etc. didn’t show obvious differences.
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Very interesting - What brings you to this conclusion, especially on the N series one? Comparing with similar models on HQ, etc. didn’t show obvious differences.

Look at the spacing in the words "Units Per Hour."

This link should help. It breaks down all of the differences in the bezels:

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/vint...as-t17026.html
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Old 12 March 2020, 10:22 AM   #20
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The earlier bezel the S is over the 0....on the newer bezel on the n serial is over S and U....both bezels are correct for the serials
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Old 12 March 2020, 06:53 PM   #21
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Many thanks - vintage Rolex really seems a science in its own right...

I think, I'll go for the N series since all my research (with forum's support) indicates it's a legit piece.
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Old 12 March 2020, 09:09 PM   #22
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They are both legit pieces but just average condition.....nothing special
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Old 3 April 2020, 11:05 AM   #23
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Do they come with the same bracelets? I choose the N for the un-polished center link.

Can you put them on a timegrapher?
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Old 3 April 2020, 01:32 PM   #24
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E and n are both early models with all brushed bracelet
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