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Thurnau · 14 July 2008, 11:41 AM

I like two different Panerai Watches. FER00001 and PAM 00104. What is the MSRP on either, I am getting bored of Rolex (a little), and that prancing horse keeps smiling at me. I have wanted that PAM 104 since last November, and when I went to the Panerai website I just had to look at the horsey ones. Does anyone have any feedback likes/dislikes on either? What does the box look like?

leopardprey · 14 July 2008, 12:26 PM

If I had a Ferrari I would like the Ferrari watches. Personally I do not care for "car theme" watches.

TswaneNguni · 14 July 2008, 01:27 PM

No question .... 104 !!!!!

AD says he sells the Ferraris to the Ferrari car owners.Watch enthusiasts usually buys PAMs

leopardprey · 14 July 2008, 01:31 PM

If Panerai came out with a Toyota line, I would be all for that!!

Thurnau · 14 July 2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by leopardprey

If Panerai came out with a Toyota line, I would be all for that!!

Too bad Porsche doesn't have a decent watch that I like either.

brainbizz · 14 July 2008, 02:23 PM

I will disagree and would get the fer if that is the one that keeps you smiling. I was debating initially the fer 024. It just appeals to me and hopefully will acquire one. From a resale standpoint the fer is most likely not so good compared to the PAM. You might actually get a discount on the fer due to many at ADs. Here is a pic of my yellow dial and the box is red with prancing horse Cavallino Rampante.

Thurnau · 14 July 2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by brainbizz

I will disagree and would get the fer if that is the one that keeps you smiling. I was debating initially the fer 024. It just appeals to me and hopefully will acquire one. From a resale standpoint the fer is most likely not so good compared to the PAM. You might actually get a discount on the fer due to many at ADs. Here is a pic of my yellow dial and the box is red with prancing horse Cavallino Rampante.

How useful is the timing feature? How long can it time for? Does it reset easy? I bought my little brother a fossil watch for his first year in high school as a gift, and the timing feature never really worked out. I also appreciate a "date feature", so I don't know that I would want the chronograph. Is the feature useful to you?

brainbizz · 14 July 2008, 02:46 PM

You could also compare a Ferrari to a Toyota. They both have four wheels. I do not know anything about Fossil watches so cannot comment on their quality compared to Panerai. The fer chronograph works well no issues. I do not feel it is as smooth as my Daytonas but I do not really care. I never use the function in actuality. I really like my fer 011 and get more comments on it than my 249 Daytonas etc. When I get my 024 with the Minerva watch out Daytonas.

Thurnau · 14 July 2008, 02:49 PM

I wouldn't compare the Fossil to a Panerai... EVER!... I meant to comment on how frustrated I was trying to make the feature work. Which scared me of a chronograph.

brainbizz · 14 July 2008, 02:51 PM

One thing I have noticed is that the last PAMs to sell appear to be the chronographs. I have a 250 and 251 which I like due to the date function but the are not as smooth as Daytonas. The fer 001 I believe has the date function. It has a simple clean look which works best on the fer.

Thurnau · 14 July 2008, 02:53 PM

That yellow or the red faces look pretty sweet! I wonder how the 001 looks in person.

brainbizz · 14 July 2008, 02:58 PM

I have tested my chronographs to make sure the work but otherwise will most likely never use the function. Some people complained that some of the 250 and 251 s skipped a few ticks with the chrono feature. Mine were fine. I just like the look of the chronos but can relate to no date function on other models. IMHO the FER watches look best without clutter.

brainbizz · 14 July 2008, 03:02 PM

The 01 is a great looking watch in person but so is the 104.

vegaseddie · 14 July 2008, 03:20 PM

I was at the Ferrari store last week at Wynn Casino and they had many Ferrari watches. They were not bashful on the prices. I don't know anything about Panerai, and I don't know if the watches I saw were indeed Panerai. I will be back there on Wednesday and will report back then. I am not sure if the watches were expensive because they were Ferrari watches at the Wynn Casino or if they were expensive because they were a quality watch. Could go either way.

mr_biased · 14 July 2008, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Thurnau

Too bad Porsche doesn't have a decent watch that I like either.

Porsche Design isn't that bad!

brainbizz · 14 July 2008, 09:12 PM

The quality of the watches is as good as the PAMs and they are priced the same the FER 01 will be close to PAM 104.

Thurnau · 14 July 2008, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mr_biased

Porsche Design isn't that bad!

You are right. I went online to Porsche design last night. They had some descent watches that hardly resemble the Porsche brand. But they looked like they would hold up on their own. http://www.porsche-design.com/live/P..._Titan&flash=0 This watch goes for 2-3K online.
I wonder what the clasp looks like. I would have either order online from an independent possible counterfeit, or fly to California to see them in person.

Thurnau · 14 July 2008, 10:27 PM

http://www.porsche-design.com/live/P...ActiveID=63317 This watch was cool if you have 150K to spend on a watch. But the Ferrari and Panerai line interests me more right now.

Ranfni · 14 July 2008, 11:07 PM

Just be prepared that many people will say... ohh Ferrarri watch, what kind of Ferrarri do you have? Then you have to say... ohh I don't have a ferrarri I just like the watch...When that gets old you will try to sell it and won't be able to anywhere near what you paid so if you must have one go preowned...IMHO

brainbizz · 14 July 2008, 11:24 PM

I have never had anyone ask about my car but in the end it is what ever you like. If you never sell it than resale is a non issue. My Fer watch was my first Panerai and it was downhill from there. The problem is the Fer watch is different than the luminors and rads and they are all great but different. If I was on a limited budget it would be difficult to pick one. I prefer rads but would tell most people to get a luminor due to the crown guard feature. The 104 is very common but difficult to get due to its popularity. If you bought the 104 it would hold its value well and flip easily. The Fer 01 i am not so sure and you could most likely pick up at any time.

jimand7 · 15 July 2008, 01:40 AM

104 over any ferrari watches. car themed watches..not my thing.

Ranfni · 16 July 2008, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jimand7

104 over any ferrari watches. car themed watches..not my thing.

Ditto...104 dude I love mine...all the straps your heart desires...

Thurnau · 26 July 2008, 09:10 AM

I had the opportunity of looking at the FER001 and a PAM like a 104 face but in titanium and titanium bracelet. I noticed the crosshatch pattern was a little busy, and may reflect light badly similar to my Rolex jubilee dial. It felt awesome on, it has the feel of a fine watch, but it doesn't have the look of it. I loved the strap and the clasp, rather than a tang buckle. Does the PAM104 have a tang buckle or a clasp? Also I noticed that the magnified date on the PAM looked distorted compared to the Rolex cyclops.

Thurnau · 26 July 2008, 09:11 AM

My PAM dealer will not discount the PAM, but will discount the Ferrari at 25%.

SlowKarter · 26 July 2008, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Thurnau

My PAM dealer will not discount the PAM, but will discount the Ferrari at 25%.

there's very good reason for that.

the aftermarket for the ferrari is even weaker.

Timekiller · 26 July 2008, 10:57 AM

Current MSRP on the FER 00001 is $6600 on the PAM 104 it's $5900. Both will be going up 7% when OP raises their prices on September 1.

As previously pointed out, not as great as demand for any of the Fer models versus the OP's but get what you like.

If it is of any assistance to you, I know an AD who will discount any Fer they have on hand 30%. Just not big movers. Drop me an email and I'll give you their name.

Thurnau · 26 July 2008, 01:13 PM

While I like the FER001, I am leaning heavier on the PAM104, but the date magnification looks a little weird. How do you Panerai Wearers like the Date window?

Timekiller · 26 July 2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Thurnau

While I like the FER001, I am leaning heavier on the PAM104, but the date magnification looks a little weird. How do you Panerai Wearers like the Date window?

The date window is one of those "quirks" owners of automatic PAMs get used too. It does turn a lot of the hardcore historic PAM owners off. Others, like myself, are used to it and in fact it's one of the easy tells versus the fakes (along with the fonts on the date wheel).

Thurnau · 27 July 2008, 12:29 AM

What type of strap closing mechanism does the PAM104 watch have? A clasp or a tang buckle?

Timekiller · 28 July 2008, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Thurnau

What type of strap closing mechanism does the PAM104 watch have? A clasp or a tang buckle?

It's a deployant.

14 July 2008, 11:41 AM	#1
Thurnau "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Watch: DateJust Posts: 738	Panerai vs Ferrari Panerai I like two different Panerai Watches. FER00001 and PAM 00104. What is the MSRP on either, I am getting bored of Rolex (a little), and that prancing horse keeps smiling at me. I have wanted that PAM 104 since last November, and when I went to the Panerai website I just had to look at the horsey ones. Does anyone have any feedback likes/dislikes on either? What does the box look like?

14 July 2008, 03:20 PM	#14
vegaseddie "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Eddie Location: Las Vegas Posts: 186	I was at the Ferrari store last week at Wynn Casino and they had many Ferrari watches. They were not bashful on the prices. I don't know anything about Panerai, and I don't know if the watches I saw were indeed Panerai. I will be back there on Wednesday and will report back then. I am not sure if the watches were expensive because they were Ferrari watches at the Wynn Casino or if they were expensive because they were a quality watch. Could go either way. __________________ "There are only two types of people in this world, those who like Neil Diamond and those who don't". Bob Wiley 16030A, 16013, 116520

14 July 2008, 12:26 PM	#2
leopardprey Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Chad Location: Around the world Watch: Panerai 233 Posts: 4,204	If I had a Ferrari I would like the Ferrari watches. Personally I do not care for "car theme" watches.

14 July 2008, 01:27 PM	#3
TswaneNguni "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: . Watch: Daytonas/Subs/GMTs Posts: 12,608	No question .... 104 !!!!! AD says he sells the Ferraris to the Ferrari car owners.Watch enthusiasts usually buys PAMs

14 July 2008, 01:31 PM	#4
leopardprey Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Chad Location: Around the world Watch: Panerai 233 Posts: 4,204	If Panerai came out with a Toyota line, I would be all for that!!

14 July 2008, 02:46 PM	#8
brainbizz Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 608	You could also compare a Ferrari to a Toyota. They both have four wheels. I do not know anything about Fossil watches so cannot comment on their quality compared to Panerai. The fer chronograph works well no issues. I do not feel it is as smooth as my Daytonas but I do not really care. I never use the function in actuality. I really like my fer 011 and get more comments on it than my 249 Daytonas etc. When I get my 024 with the Minerva watch out Daytonas.

14 July 2008, 02:49 PM	#9
Thurnau "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Watch: DateJust Posts: 738	I wouldn't compare the Fossil to a Panerai... EVER!... I meant to comment on how frustrated I was trying to make the feature work. Which scared me of a chronograph.

14 July 2008, 02:51 PM	#10
brainbizz Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 608	One thing I have noticed is that the last PAMs to sell appear to be the chronographs. I have a 250 and 251 which I like due to the date function but the are not as smooth as Daytonas. The fer 001 I believe has the date function. It has a simple clean look which works best on the fer.

14 July 2008, 02:53 PM	#11
Thurnau "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Watch: DateJust Posts: 738	That yellow or the red faces look pretty sweet! I wonder how the 001 looks in person.

14 July 2008, 02:58 PM	#12
brainbizz Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 608	I have tested my chronographs to make sure the work but otherwise will most likely never use the function. Some people complained that some of the 250 and 251 s skipped a few ticks with the chrono feature. Mine were fine. I just like the look of the chronos but can relate to no date function on other models. IMHO the FER watches look best without clutter.

14 July 2008, 03:02 PM	#13
brainbizz Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 608	The 01 is a great looking watch in person but so is the 104.

14 July 2008, 09:12 PM	#16
brainbizz Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 608	The quality of the watches is as good as the PAMs and they are priced the same the FER 01 will be close to PAM 104.

14 July 2008, 10:27 PM	#18
Thurnau "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Watch: DateJust Posts: 738	http://www.porsche-design.com/live/P...ActiveID=63317 This watch was cool if you have 150K to spend on a watch. But the Ferrari and Panerai line interests me more right now.

14 July 2008, 11:07 PM	#19
Ranfni "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Rob Location: SoCal Watch: Rolex Panerai AP Posts: 433	Just be prepared that many people will say... ohh Ferrarri watch, what kind of Ferrarri do you have? Then you have to say... ohh I don't have a ferrarri I just like the watch...When that gets old you will try to sell it and won't be able to anywhere near what you paid so if you must have one go preowned...IMHO

14 July 2008, 11:24 PM	#20
brainbizz Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 608	I have never had anyone ask about my car but in the end it is what ever you like. If you never sell it than resale is a non issue. My Fer watch was my first Panerai and it was downhill from there. The problem is the Fer watch is different than the luminors and rads and they are all great but different. If I was on a limited budget it would be difficult to pick one. I prefer rads but would tell most people to get a luminor due to the crown guard feature. The 104 is very common but difficult to get due to its popularity. If you bought the 104 it would hold its value well and flip easily. The Fer 01 i am not so sure and you could most likely pick up at any time.

15 July 2008, 01:40 AM	#21
jimand7 Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: CHICAGO Posts: 53	104 over any ferrari watches. car themed watches..not my thing.

26 July 2008, 09:10 AM	#23
Thurnau "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Watch: DateJust Posts: 738	I had the opportunity of looking at the FER001 and a PAM like a 104 face but in titanium and titanium bracelet. I noticed the crosshatch pattern was a little busy, and may reflect light badly similar to my Rolex jubilee dial. It felt awesome on, it has the feel of a fine watch, but it doesn't have the look of it. I loved the strap and the clasp, rather than a tang buckle. Does the PAM104 have a tang buckle or a clasp? Also I noticed that the magnified date on the PAM looked distorted compared to the Rolex cyclops.

26 July 2008, 09:11 AM	#24
Thurnau "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Watch: DateJust Posts: 738	My PAM dealer will not discount the PAM, but will discount the Ferrari at 25%.

26 July 2008, 10:57 AM	#26
Timekiller Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cali Posts: 59	Current MSRP on the FER 00001 is $6600 on the PAM 104 it's $5900. Both will be going up 7% when OP raises their prices on September 1. As previously pointed out, not as great as demand for any of the Fer models versus the OP's but get what you like. If it is of any assistance to you, I know an AD who will discount any Fer they have on hand 30%. Just not big movers. Drop me an email and I'll give you their name.

26 July 2008, 01:13 PM	#27
Thurnau "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Watch: DateJust Posts: 738	While I like the FER001, I am leaning heavier on the PAM104, but the date magnification looks a little weird. How do you Panerai Wearers like the Date window?

27 July 2008, 12:29 AM	#29
Thurnau "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Watch: DateJust Posts: 738	What type of strap closing mechanism does the PAM104 watch have? A clasp or a tang buckle?

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