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Old 18 December 2017, 02:42 AM   #31
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Please don't talk electric with this guy.
Well, we have low electric rates where I live and electric is very efficient with little loss, which is not the case with gas.

Just a thought.
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Old 18 December 2017, 03:11 AM   #32
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Well, we have low electric rates where I live and electric is very efficient with little loss, which is not the case with gas.

Just a thought.
last time he do electric work he was close to burn down his condo.

So please, don't encourage him.
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Old 18 December 2017, 03:41 AM   #33
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last time he do electric work he was close to burn down his condo.

So please, don't encourage him.
Stop exaggerating Jocke... It was only HALF the condo...
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Old 18 December 2017, 03:49 AM   #34
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You don’t need to braze gas pipe. I understand the peace of mind you get from a pro, but gas lines can be DIY.

I had a solar tank when I lived in Florida. I always had hot water. You drive an environmentally friendly car, I’d think solar would be in your wheelhouse in sunny southern California.
You would think Abdullah, unfortunately, the HOA consists of a board of members that voted Teddy Rosevelt in to office. We (most tenants) are slowly voting them out and replacing them with more progressive thinkers, but right now we can’t put solar on our roofs. That IS changing, but patience was never one of my virtues.


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Paul, gas lines are actually easier than water lines! If you could land an F/A-18 on a boat at night, I’m sure you could handle it! If not, I’ll stop by and help you out!
Thanks Reb, but don’t overestimate my capabilities. . You are talking to someone that almost used a saws-all to remove (what he thought) were some unused gas lines to a removed wall heater. It turns out, they were his main supply line to central heating. I would have blown up the whole complex. . Let me know when you get here, I’ll buy lunch.

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Also, to you gas users, you can always convert to electric if you run into problems with venting.
See, now THIS is something I was also wondering about. I have electrical in my water-heater closet, so wondered if I could use an electric tankless. Besides the venting, are there other advantages to electric versus gas?
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Old 18 December 2017, 04:06 AM   #35
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have you turned up the heat on water heater tstat?
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Old 18 December 2017, 04:08 AM   #36
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You would think Abdullah, unfortunately, the HOA consists of a board of members that voted Teddy Rosevelt in to office. We (most tenants) are slowly voting them out and replacing them with more progressive thinkers, but right now we can’t put solar on our roofs. That IS changing, but patience was never one of my virtues.




Thanks Reb, but don’t overestimate my capabilities. . You are talking to someone that almost used a saws-all to remove (what he thought) were some unused gas lines to a removed wall heater. It turns out, they were his main supply line to central heating. I would have blown up the whole complex. . Let me know when you get here, I’ll buy lunch.



See, now THIS is something I was also wondering about. I have electrical in my water-heater closet, so wondered if I could use an electric tankless. Besides the venting, are there other advantages to electric versus gas?
IIRC, heat transfer is more efficient with electricity.

Edit: With the air pollution you all have out there, it would be more environmentally responsible to go electric. The power stations there can make electricity cleaner than you can make heat with gas.
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Old 18 December 2017, 06:48 AM   #37
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Funny !! You flyboys are all alike ,, my brother was a hot shot Chinook pilot in Nam but hand him a power tool and sooner than later someone is going to need medical help. Hell he fell of his roof this last summer.
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Old 18 December 2017, 08:05 AM   #38
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I'm a hot shot Cessna/Piper pilot! ;-)
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Old 18 December 2017, 08:06 AM   #39
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Funny !! You flyboys are all alike ,, my brother was a hot shot Chinook pilot in Nam but hand him a power tool and sooner than later someone is going to need medical help. Hell he fell of his roof this last summer.
So he couldn't fly or maybe he just forgot to auto rotate?
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Old 18 December 2017, 09:41 AM   #40
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See, now THIS is something I was also wondering about. I have electrical in my water-heater closet, so wondered if I could use an electric tankless. Besides the venting, are there other advantages to electric versus gas?
If electric and your power goes out you have no hot water. Same if you have gas but electric ignition. To avoid that you'll need gas with a pilot light.

We have a tanked gas water heater with a pilot light and always have hot water when the power's out.

Are there electric tankless with battery back-up?
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Old 19 December 2017, 01:51 AM   #41
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Tankless is a game changer IMO. Go for it.
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Old 19 December 2017, 02:37 AM   #42
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If electric and your power goes out you have no hot water. Same if you have gas but electric ignition. To avoid that you'll need gas with a pilot light.

We have a tanked gas water heater with a pilot light and always have hot water when the power's out.

Are there electric tankless with battery back-up?
No battery backup as they require too much electricity.
You make a good point.
Depending on how often you may lose power in your area then a gas is probably best.
I can count on one hand how many times I've lost power for more than one day in 40 years.
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Old 19 December 2017, 03:44 AM   #43
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I thought about going tankless but they were quite a bit more expensive than a conventional water heater so we ended up with a 50 gallon Bradford White water heater. Very pleased with it as we had a 40 gallon prior. We never run out of hot water.
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Old 19 December 2017, 03:48 AM   #44
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If going electric be sure to check the amp requirements and your existing service amps. Retro fitting electric tankless water heaters usually necessitate a service increase.

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Old 7 May 2018, 10:04 PM   #45
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Just wondering if you ever did the tankless heater?
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Old 8 May 2018, 02:11 AM   #46
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Just wondering if you ever did the tankless heater?
I didn’t Jim, the reason being I would have to rip out a brand new water heater that meets my needs and isn’t wasting a lot of energy. When this is due for replacement though, I will go the tankless solution
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Old 8 May 2018, 04:46 AM   #47
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I use Rinnai in my homes. Work great. Another brand, A.O. Smith is good too.
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Old 15 May 2018, 01:24 AM   #48
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I didn’t Jim, the reason being I would have to rip out a brand new water heater that meets my needs and isn’t wasting a lot of energy. When this is due for replacement though, I will go the tankless solution
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Old 15 May 2018, 01:27 AM   #49
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I am preparing to install a small point of use heater for the master bath in our home. It takes forever to get hot water, especially in the colder months, which adds up to tons of waste.

Also, I am using a previous 240v unused circuit to power the unit so I don't even have to run the power. Just disconnect from it's former use and run it under the sink in the bathroom. It already has proper gauge wire and breaker! How lucky is that!

I'm going with a Steibel Eltron, same brand I used in our condos.
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Old 29 July 2021, 05:20 AM   #50
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Hello. SO I finally got my off-grid 48v 4500w system installed and connected. Couldn't be happier. So nice to have power without hearing a generator running. I had planned on installing an LP gas, tankless, on-demand water heater. When I started looking closely at them I began noticing they consume a lot of power. Some say up to 40kW. That seems like a LOT of power to heat water with propane. Am I reading the specs right?

My water will be supplied from an on-site well so it may be a bit cool 60'ish F I'd guess. What are you folks using for whole house water heaters? I'm just heating water for a 2 BR / 2 BA cabin that will normally only have 2 people in it. I'd venture to say that only the kitchen sink and maybe the washer would run at the same time. I can't see both of them running simultaneously for more than a minute or two.
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Old 29 July 2021, 10:59 PM   #51
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I have sold and/or installed a number of the Rinai units. They are fantastic. Out of all of the installed units we had one call for service. Everyone in the office was shocked! We had never had an issue (as long as the install was done correctly.

Went to the customers home. Intake was full of lint and totally clogged up (basement install). Looked around a minute and found the culprit...they had not vented the dryer exhaust outside. It was dumping into the room, then the Rinnai would come on sticking the lint into the intake!
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Old 29 July 2021, 11:13 PM   #52
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I’ve heard from a couple guys that if you like “hot” water for your long showers you pretty much need a unit per use. Especially if they are floors apart eg. 3rd floor Bathroom > 2nd Floor Bathroom
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Old 30 July 2021, 12:03 AM   #53
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Gas fed tankless. Love it. Get it cleaned every year.
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If gas powered I’d definitely do it. Electric then probably not.


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Old 30 July 2021, 04:42 AM   #55
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Have been using a Noritz tankless gas water heater for over five years and LOVE it!!!!!!

Sure, every year or so you do the vinegar/pump thing and walk away for an hour. Easy peasy.

PS: Holy thread resurrection, and thanks for NOT adding a new topic so it all stays on one thread.
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As I said years ago on this thread, gas tankless water heater is a game changer.

Also, this thread was jinxed. Look at all the banned members.
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Old 30 July 2021, 05:49 AM   #57
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Paul, there are good and bad for both tank & tankless. I’ve installed many of both including solar (my personal favorite). My recommendation would really depend on your situation.
Please elaborate tank vs tankless not solar, TY?
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Old 30 July 2021, 05:56 AM   #58
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I've had gas tankless twice and both were amazing. Am now in a historic loft with no gas, so we installed a Steibel Ultron electric tankless and it works awesome. From what we were told by our plumber, Steibel is the only electric version that works well.
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Gas fed tankless. Love it. Get it cleaned every year.

I’ve got one snd love it. What kind of service do you have done to it?


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As I said years ago on this thread, gas tankless water heater is a game changer.

Also, this thread was jinxed. Look at all the banned members.
I wonder if it’s me Mat?
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