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Old 15 February 2020, 09:57 AM   #31
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The super case and maxi dial are not going anywhere, new movement will happen eventually, new PM's models makes sense...could possibly see them increasing the size but with the Explorer II and the Sea Dweller not sure that makes sense, the YM comes in multiple sizes so who knows.
This I agree with.
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Old 15 February 2020, 10:05 AM   #32
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Will they change the model number if it gets the new movement? If not, then most people won't know or care, and I suspect the AD's won't bother telling anyone which movement they get when they buy a sub...

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Old 15 February 2020, 10:11 AM   #33
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Will they change the model number if it gets the new movement? If not, then most people won't know or care, and I suspect the AD's won't bother telling anyone which movement they get when they buy a sub...

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It'd be a 126610
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Old 15 February 2020, 10:29 AM   #34
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I wonder if the new movement for the Sub will come a year later than the Sub date?

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Old 15 February 2020, 11:22 AM   #35
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Will they change the model number if it gets the new movement? If not, then most people won't know or care, and I suspect the AD's won't bother telling anyone which movement they get when they buy a sub...

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It'd be a 126610
Correct.
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Old 15 February 2020, 11:52 AM   #36
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The question isn’t will they put the 3235 in a sub. The question really is, what aesthetic changes to the sub will announce the 3235 inclusion? The aesthetics is what will drive the hype. Not the movement.
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Old 15 February 2020, 01:16 PM   #37
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I like the extra power reserve. Now is Friday pm, I just put my DJ away and switched to an explorer, I will pick up the DJ again on Monday morning and it will be just fine.
Agreed. The extra power reserve is very practical and useful.
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Old 15 February 2020, 01:35 PM   #38
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the sooner Rolex move away from the super case the better. Don't care about resale value or "we will appreciate it in the future" It is not a balanced design. Porsche 996 of the 911 range.
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Old 15 February 2020, 01:47 PM   #39
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Short-term, probably lose a little value. Long term, it’ll increase. At least that has been the trend in the past in relation to the MSRP.
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Old 16 February 2020, 12:52 AM   #40
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Added PR to me is unimportant. Nothing to setting a Rolex watch. I would keep the one you have. From reports I have read, the older movement is easier to work on, which could become an issue if the watch becomes an heirloom for your family.
That's a good point
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Old 16 February 2020, 01:06 AM   #41
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agree, we are 10 years into this square abomination.
You might want to look at other brands or Rolex models because the super case is here to stay on the Sub/GMT line.
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Old 16 February 2020, 01:16 AM   #42
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You might want to look at other brands or Rolex models because the super case is here to stay on the Sub/GMT line.


No worries, got some non supercase Rolex models.


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Old 16 February 2020, 01:25 AM   #43
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Old 16 February 2020, 01:40 AM   #44
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You might want to look at other brands or Rolex models because the super case is here to stay on the Sub/GMT line.
Exactly this.

The “changes”they’ve made to the case / lugs on the 126710 GMT line are barely noticeable at least to my eye. It’s a different wearing watch to the 116710 but IMO that’s due to the end link/jubilee bracelet combo more than anything else.

I can’t imagine the changes they make to the new Submariner line will be much different than the current generation but who knows ... maybe Rolex will surprise us.
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Old 16 February 2020, 02:28 AM   #45
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My prediction is there will be a subtle change to what's printed on the dial to coincide with a new movement and that is about it. They will do something to make it easier for the rsc folks to ID what movement is inside to make service triage easier, but it won't be a big change. Just a small visual cue.
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Old 16 February 2020, 02:57 AM   #46
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I suspect there will be some “disappointed” folks come Basel when the Submariner gets no change or “update”.

Movement updates will happen eventually (agree likely PM - initially) I’m HIGHLY doubtful that we will see any case changes. This is why Rolex has various other options across other lines....Sea Dweller, YachtMaster etc.

To me, this is a DateJust year. 75 years old.

Let’s just all keep in mind. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with the current movement.
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Old 16 February 2020, 03:42 AM   #47
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Datejust had a change in 2016 with DJ41 replacing the DJII, adding the new 32xx movement at the same time.
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Old 16 February 2020, 04:01 PM   #48
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I would never change or upgrade my submariner. I bought it new and have worn pretty much continuously for 6 years. The power reserve has never been an issue in that time because it’s never stopped.
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Old 18 February 2020, 01:27 AM   #49
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Datejust had a change in 2016 with DJ41 replacing the DJII, adding the new 32xx movement at the same time.
So that pretty much solves the bugs issue. I guess that after 4 years they should have perfected that movement.

I doubt that the spare parts for the 3135 movement - in use since 1988 I presume - will be hard to find in the future, or are the experiences here different?

The 3235 has 90% new parts they claim, so they're not interchangeable for the most part.
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Old 24 February 2020, 09:00 PM   #50
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The Yacht masters got the new 3235 movement whiteout being changed aesthetically.. We could also see just this update in the Submariner.
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Old 24 February 2020, 09:04 PM   #51
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I like the extra power reserve. Now is Friday pm, I just put my DJ away and switched to an explorer, I will pick up the DJ again on Monday morning and it will be just fine.
All Rolex watches have a little round thing called a crown, guess what it is designed to manually wind any watch when needed.
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Old 24 February 2020, 09:27 PM   #52
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All Rolex watches have a little round thing called a crown, guess what it is designed to manually wind any watch when needed.
He just says he prefers it, it gives him convenience not to wind it, what's wrong with that?

Instead you gotta reply with some snarky sarcastic response.

And you are a mod - shame.

Does being a mod give you the feeling of power so you can rag on anybody giving perfectly decent comments on a forum?
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Old 24 February 2020, 09:36 PM   #53
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I suspect there will be some “disappointed” folks come Basel when the Submariner gets no change or “update”.

Movement updates will happen eventually (agree likely PM - initially) I’m HIGHLY doubtful that we will see any case changes. This is why Rolex has various other options across other lines....Sea Dweller, YachtMaster etc.

To me, this is a DateJust year. 75 years old.

Let’s just all keep in mind. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with the current movement.
Maybe the return of some limited production stone dials for the anniversary? That would be a cool dj move. Not holding my breath though.
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Old 24 February 2020, 09:38 PM   #54
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Oh, by the way, I went back and read the last 2 years of threads on this issue. Everyone swore rolex would change the sub movement. And then they didn't.

Too funny.
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Old 24 February 2020, 09:48 PM   #55
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He just says he prefers it, it gives him convenience not to wind it, what's wrong with that?

Instead you gotta reply with some snarky sarcastic response.

And you are a mod - shame.

Does being a mod give you the feeling of power so you can rag on anybody giving perfectly decent comments on a forum?
I read it differently than you, but perhaps that’s because I’ve come to know Peter’s sense of humor.

I think what he is saying is that the 31xx series movements are a proven workhorse movement and the extra power reserve (although nice for some) isn’t a big deal, when you can simply re-up the power with a simple wind.
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Old 24 February 2020, 10:24 PM   #56
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I would rather not have to get it out of the safe on a weekend. Not really that complicated to understand.
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I would rather not have to get it out of the safe on a weekend. Not really that complicated to understand.
But if it did stop you would still have to wind it thats all I meant, which is quite possible especially if had a less active day and power-reserve was depleted off wrist.
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Old 24 February 2020, 10:44 PM   #58
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I would say that it would be logical that it will lose relative value unless Rolex increases the prices of the new model.
Why?

What is less desirable about the 3135 movement?
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Old 24 February 2020, 10:59 PM   #59
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But if it did stop you would still have to wind it thats all I meant, which is quite possible especially if had a less active day and power-reserve was depleted off wrist.
fair play, we're good. For me I would take a lug change on the sub way before a movement change. If it gets both then it it's a bonus.
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Old 24 February 2020, 11:05 PM   #60
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the sooner Rolex move away from the super case the better. Don't care about resale value or "we will appreciate it in the future" It is not a balanced design. Porsche 996 of the 911 range.
Couldn’t disagree more. I love he heft and wrist presence. The 5 digit case feels dainty to me
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