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KingsTrumper · 24 February 2020, 10:53 PM

Hi Guys,

My collection is all dark dialled - if that makes sense.

Looking to pick up an explorer. Prefer the 40mm case and the polar dial. But having read 2021 is an anniversary year and having seen a few mock ups of an explorer with a ceramic bezel I may hold.

It's tricky as the explorer with a ceramic bezel removes it's tool watch credentials in favour of aesthetics but I think that small change catapults the watch in to drool territory. That said that watch is a maybe, maybe not scenario so do I pick up the explorer now or hold out til 2021?

Cheers

037 · 24 February 2020, 10:57 PM

Not every reference in the catalog will get a ceramic bezel. Sure, that's what's being speculated but there's also very good reason for this one to stay stainless.

Buy the watch you like today that's available today. There's no way to predict tomorrow.

rspeabody · 24 February 2020, 10:58 PM

The only people who know what Rolex are going to do in 2021 work at Rolex, the rest of us can only guess and hope! I’d say if you want it and have the means, why wait?

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adawil2002 · 24 February 2020, 10:58 PM

Buy it.

KingsTrumper · 24 February 2020, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 037

Not every reference in the catalog will get a ceramic bezel. Sure, that's what's being speculated but there's also very good reason for this one to stay stainless.

Buy the watch you like today that's available today. There's no way to predict tomorrow.

Thanks - Must admit as someone that likes a nato / leather strap - the versatility appeals.

KingsTrumper · 24 February 2020, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by adawil2002

Buy it.

Enabler

KingsTrumper · 24 February 2020, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rspeabody

The only people who know what Rolex are going to do in 2021 work at Rolex, the rest of us can only guess and hope! I’d say if you want it and have the means, why wait?

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Guess so. Can always trade up if the ceramic gets released. Not sure where I saw the mock up - poss ID Guy on youtube but did look good. Almost like a less busy Daytona.

watchwatcher · 24 February 2020, 11:02 PM

Agree with Erik, as I usually do.

As far as what happens with the addition (speculative at best) of a ceramic bezel, just look at the daytona...years before it happened, all the experts here predicted the immediate value drop of the 116520 should/if the ceramic bezel appeared. Guess what? It did, and look at the value of the 116520.

Bottom line, the EXP2 gives off a cool, tool watch vibe that nothing can ever take away from. It's not gonna matter one iota if a ceramic version is released.

So, like the man said, buy what you like today.

DonRickles · 24 February 2020, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 037

Not every reference in the catalog will get a ceramic bezel. Sure, that's what's being speculated but there's also very good reason for this one to stay stainless.
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I was told, it's the simple fact that there's still an extremely high demand for the metal bezel options.

djgallo · 24 February 2020, 11:05 PM

I don’t think I would like a ceramic bezel on the explorer.....changes the look of the watch too much. IMO So I would buy now and not worry about it.

037 · 24 February 2020, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DonRickles

I was told, it's the simple fact that there's still an extremely high demand for the metal bezel options.

I'd believe it.

watchwatcher · 24 February 2020, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 037

I'd believe it.

And...I think that demand is going to follow the Daytona example-through the roof-if the ceramic bezel thing materializes (for the record, I neither want it or expect it it to).

DLRIDES · 24 February 2020, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by KingsTrumper

Hi Guys,

My collection is all dark dialled - if that makes sense.

Looking to pick up an explorer. Prefer the 40mm case and the polar dial. But having read 2021 is an anniversary year and having seen a few mock ups of an explorer with a ceramic bezel I may hold.

It's tricky as the explorer with a ceramic bezel removes it's tool watch credentials in favour of aesthetics but I think that small change catapults the watch in to drool territory. That said that watch is a maybe, maybe not scenario so do I pick up the explorer now or hold out til 2021?

Cheers

You state preference for 40mm, yet the 42mm would be acceptable with a ceramic bezel ?

Should Rolex change the bezel, which is EXTREMELY doubtful, the case will not return to 40mm.

Thuilln · 24 February 2020, 11:25 PM

An Explorer II with ceramic bezel is as stupid as it gets. Buy a real nice one now and forget the pseudo hype about its anniversary. Most likely it will be a supersized bling-bling piece without a soul..

jrs146 · 24 February 2020, 11:35 PM

The 40mm explorer ii is a classic. A ceramic explorer could be nice also, but just a different look entirely. If you like the look of the models available today then it’s a no brainer. If you actually want a ceramic explorer then the answer is wait and see if the Rolex gods deliver. Or buy one now and sell it later if one ever comes.

ZeGerman11 · 25 February 2020, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DLRIDES

You state preference for 40mm, yet the 42mm would be acceptable with a ceramic bezel ?

Should Rolex change the bezel, which is EXTREMELY doubtful, the case will not return to 40mm.

This. Which size do you prefer, OP? If you haven’t, I’d recommend trying them on. I had the 16570 and it wore small for a 40mm. It was the main reason I eventually sold. I also tried on the 216570 several times, but it wore big for a 42mm, which is why I never bought.

Given you currently own a DSSD, I think the 16570 would wear way too small for your tastes, but only you can decide once you try it on.

newu5er · 25 February 2020, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ZeGerman11

This. Which size do you prefer, OP? If you haven’t, I’d recommend trying them on. I had the 16570 and it wore small for a 40mm. It was the main reason I eventually sold. I also tried on the 216570 several times, but it wore big for a 42mm, which is why I never bought.

Given you currently own a DSSD, I think the 16570 would wear way too small for your tastes, but only you can decide once you try it on.

This isn't the first time I've read this and without the ability to try both on, it really is a crapshoot. I can see the 40 wearing too small for me and I can see the 42 wearing a little bigger than I would prefer. While we are speculating, I'll throw out another wish - make it in 41mm!

GGGMT · 25 February 2020, 12:25 AM

Buy it. 16570 polar is my favorite among many many watches I own. It’s just perfect.

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KingsTrumper · 25 February 2020, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ZeGerman11

This. Which size do you prefer, OP? If you haven’t, I’d recommend trying them on. I had the 16570 and it wore small for a 40mm. It was the main reason I eventually sold. I also tried on the 216570 several times, but it wore big for a 42mm, which is why I never bought.

Given you currently own a DSSD, I think the 16570 would wear way too small for your tastes, but only you can decide once you try it on.

Good thinking. I must admit going from the deepsea to my 16600 takes some getting used to.

I have previously owned a 16710 and a ym 16622 so guessing it will wear the same(ish)? That said I always felt the daytona was too small so it left the collection. Will go and try one on to be sure.

KingsTrumper · 25 February 2020, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DLRIDES

You state preference for 40mm, yet the 42mm would be acceptable with a ceramic bezel ?

Should Rolex change the bezel, which is EXTREMELY doubtful, the case will not return to 40mm.

Sorry, I was assuming a ceramic may go back to 40mm but didn't write that

I think at 42mm from what I have seen (not in person) the proportions do not work as well.

Someone else posted 41mm which sounds like it would be an ideal solution.

Geckobros · 25 February 2020, 02:12 AM

The 16570 polar is classic and regardless of what Rolex does in the future.. the 16570 stands on its own in my opinion. Buy the old boy and enjoy.

DLRIDES · 25 February 2020, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by KingsTrumper

I think at 42mm from what I have seen (not in person) the proportions do not work as well.

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moore2 · 25 February 2020, 02:26 AM

Buy unless you have a better one in mind.

KingsTrumper · 25 February 2020, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DLRIDES

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I think the proportions on the JC and my SD43 work really well. Prob even better on the SD43 to be fair.

I am talking about the difference between the 40mm polar and the 42mm and suggesting the 40mm looks better in my opinion. I am not saying I don't like larger watches.

newu5er · 25 February 2020, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DLRIDES

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Those watches are pretty different to be fair.

enjoythemusic · 25 February 2020, 03:05 AM

Wait a week to see how stock market swings. Last time of the big crash (2008 / 2009) was buying with both hands as desperate sellers came out of the woodworks.

shawn13ca · 25 February 2020, 03:15 AM

Ceramic is really not the end of it all, especially on a sport watch. I am glad my GS diver has an anodized bezel and not a ceramic one. Really hard to scratch, but cheap to replace if need be, and cannot shatter on impact. Rolex would be stupid to put a ceramic bezel on a watch made for alpinists and explorers, because it's an environment where they are always surrounded by rocks. One impact and the bezel is gone.

Rori · 25 February 2020, 04:04 AM

Ceramic should be coming and when it comes the explorer will become a so thought after watch just like the GMT and sub. The Ceramic use will not affect the tool aspect of the watch, it didn't affect the Sub, GMTs and the rest of the professional lineup, all the opposite. it's just a better material, more durable and more beautiful.
I would wait bezel 2020.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingsTrumper

Hi Guys,

My collection is all dark dialled - if that makes sense.

Looking to pick up an explorer. Prefer the 40mm case and the polar dial. But having read 2021 is an anniversary year and having seen a few mock ups of an explorer with a ceramic bezel I may hold.

It's tricky as the explorer with a ceramic bezel removes it's tool watch credentials in favour of aesthetics but I think that small change catapults the watch in to drool territory. That said that watch is a maybe, maybe not scenario so do I pick up the explorer now or hold out til 2021?

Cheers

BillA · 25 February 2020, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by KingsTrumper

Sorry, I was assuming a ceramic may go back to 40mm but didn't write that

I think at 42mm from what I have seen (not in person) the proportions do not work as well.

Someone else posted 41mm which sounds like it would be an ideal solution.

Hard to imagine that Rolex would go from a 42mm to a 40 to accommodate a ceramic bezel.

DLRIDES · 25 February 2020, 05:49 AM

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Hard to imagine that Rolex would go from a 42mm to a 40 to accommodate a ceramic bezel.

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24 February 2020, 10:53 PM	#1
KingsTrumper "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: UK Watch: JC Deepsea Posts: 136	Polar explorer II 16570 - Buy or wait? Hi Guys, My collection is all dark dialled - if that makes sense. Looking to pick up an explorer. Prefer the 40mm case and the polar dial. But having read 2021 is an anniversary year and having seen a few mock ups of an explorer with a ceramic bezel I may hold. It's tricky as the explorer with a ceramic bezel removes it's tool watch credentials in favour of aesthetics but I think that small change catapults the watch in to drool territory. That said that watch is a maybe, maybe not scenario so do I pick up the explorer now or hold out til 2021? Cheers

24 February 2020, 10:58 PM	#4
adawil2002 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Real Name: Andrew Wilson Location: Brunswick, Maine Watch: 16550 Explorer II Posts: 1,762	Buy it. __________________ 6284 SS, 16014 SS Jubilee silver stick, 16253 TT Blue Thunderbird, 16550 SS Exp II Cream, bought in 1986, 116400GV Z-blue Milgauss, 79260 Tudor, 116660 DSSD-Blue, 116500LV Daytona White, 116710 BLNR, 326934 Blue Skydweller

24 February 2020, 11:25 PM	#14
Thuilln "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Real Name: Nick Location: YUL Watch: 16570 Posts: 1,936	An Explorer II with ceramic bezel is as stupid as it gets. Buy a real nice one now and forget the pseudo hype about its anniversary. Most likely it will be a supersized bling-bling piece without a soul.. __________________ Nick _________________________________________ 14060M - 114200 - 114270 - 214270 - 16710BLRO - 16570 - 3570.50 - Cartier Tank Solo - Cartier Tank Française ‘Yearling’ - CWC Navy Diver

24 February 2020, 11:35 PM	#15
jrs146 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: Josh Location: Lost in time Watch: Me Nae Nae Posts: 9,821	The 40mm explorer ii is a classic. A ceramic explorer could be nice also, but just a different look entirely. If you like the look of the models available today then it’s a no brainer. If you actually want a ceramic explorer then the answer is wait and see if the Rolex gods deliver. Or buy one now and sell it later if one ever comes. __________________ "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own." -Jerome J. Garcia, Robert C. Hunter

25 February 2020, 03:05 AM	#26
enjoythemusic 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Real Name: Steven Location: Glocal Posts: 19,430	Wait a week to see how stock market swings. Last time of the big crash (2008 / 2009) was buying with both hands as desperate sellers came out of the woodworks. __________________ __________________ “Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming 'Wow! What a Ride!'” -- Hunter S. Thompson Sent from my Etch A Sketch using String Theory.

24 February 2020, 10:57 PM	#2
037 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: USA Posts: 6,171	Not every reference in the catalog will get a ceramic bezel. Sure, that's what's being speculated but there's also very good reason for this one to stay stainless. Buy the watch you like today that's available today. There's no way to predict tomorrow.

24 February 2020, 10:58 PM	#3
rspeabody "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Real Name: R.S. Peabody Location: Nashville, TN Watch: 114060 Posts: 121	The only people who know what Rolex are going to do in 2021 work at Rolex, the rest of us can only guess and hope! I’d say if you want it and have the means, why wait? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

24 February 2020, 11:02 PM	#8
watchwatcher "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Larry Location: Kentucky Watch: Yes Posts: 34,479	Agree with Erik, as I usually do. As far as what happens with the addition (speculative at best) of a ceramic bezel, just look at the daytona...years before it happened, all the experts here predicted the immediate value drop of the 116520 should/if the ceramic bezel appeared. Guess what? It did, and look at the value of the 116520. Bottom line, the EXP2 gives off a cool, tool watch vibe that nothing can ever take away from. It's not gonna matter one iota if a ceramic version is released. So, like the man said, buy what you like today.

24 February 2020, 11:05 PM	#10
djgallo Banned Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Eastwest Posts: 1,322	I don’t think I would like a ceramic bezel on the explorer.....changes the look of the watch too much. IMO So I would buy now and not worry about it.

25 February 2020, 12:25 AM	#18
GGGMT 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Itinerant Watch: 79010sg Posts: 8,061	Buy it. 16570 polar is my favorite among many many watches I own. It’s just perfect. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

25 February 2020, 02:12 AM	#21
Geckobros "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: Arrakis Posts: 873	The 16570 polar is classic and regardless of what Rolex does in the future.. the 16570 stands on its own in my opinion. Buy the old boy and enjoy.

25 February 2020, 02:26 AM	#23
moore2 Banned Join Date: Feb 2020 Location: USA Posts: 101	Buy unless you have a better one in mind.

25 February 2020, 03:15 AM	#27
shawn13ca "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Canada Posts: 299	Ceramic is really not the end of it all, especially on a sport watch. I am glad my GS diver has an anodized bezel and not a ceramic one. Really hard to scratch, but cheap to replace if need be, and cannot shatter on impact. Rolex would be stupid to put a ceramic bezel on a watch made for alpinists and explorers, because it's an environment where they are always surrounded by rocks. One impact and the bezel is gone.

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