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toholio · 22 March 2013, 10:24 AM

Does a south american president bracelet made under license in the 1970s have any value beyond its scrap gold?

Its hallmark is D'A which matches the confirmed history of how it came to me from Venezuela. Apparently there were a few bracelets made under license in Argentina at that time. Rolex wont deal with it at a service but they won't kick up a stink either since it's not actually fake.

I guess we can chalk its existence up to one of those mistakes Rolex wish they hadn't made.

The particular bracelet is 18K yellow gold. Weight is 61g.

It is in wearable condition but is nothing spectacular. The ends of the links are hollow and have no caps on their inside faces. This means that the links "stretch" to the maximum possible extent. Very loose. I'll try to add some pictures later today if that's going to help.

crowncollection · 22 March 2013, 05:59 PM

I don't think its worth more, but michael young coud make it new. I think its interesting though a part of history

toholio · 24 March 2013, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crowncollection

I don't think its worth more, but michael young coud make it new.

I've just emailed him for a rough estimate of the cost of having it "put right". I suspect it will be a big job since I'd like to see all the links capped.

Quote:

I think its interesting though a part of history

Me too. It's definitely something odd. Until I found out that bracelets made under license were not uncommon in South America I had assumed it was a fake or aftermarket.

Here are some pictures I took to send to Michael. You can see what I mean about it never having been a spectacular bracelet. The hallmark is hard to read in my pictures. It says "18K.D'A".

How's that for a stretched band?!

Kingair · 24 March 2013, 09:27 PM

MY will get it back into shape

HAGS

AngelaM · 21 May 2015, 05:15 PM

Only one jeweler was authorized to make Rolex bracelets in Venezuela by Rolex Headquarters. Their bracelets are considered authentic, certified by Rolex Geneva and made entirely under Rolex specifications and authorization. They made the bracelets for President Mens & Ladies and Jubilee Steel-and-Gold and Gold Men's and Ladies models. They were open until 1992. They went out of business afterwards. The D'A in the bracelet stands for the owner's last name initials. The bracelet you show there might be from them but of course it's impossible to knw if it's authentic only by looking at an online picture. There are lots of imitations around. The only thing that can be said by looking at it is that it's definitely very old. And yes, the center links were hollow at the time.

dpa94114 · 22 May 2015, 04:43 AM

very cool - i like the ROLEX font on the back

crowncollection · 22 May 2015, 10:22 AM

[QUOTE=toholio;4043046]I've just emailed him for a rough estimate of the cost of having it "put right". I suspect it will be a big job since I'd like to see all the links capped.

Me too. It's definitely something odd. Until I found out that bracelets made under license were not uncommon in South America I had assumed it was a fake or aftermarket.

Here are some pictures I took to send to Michael. You can see what I mean about it never having been a spectacular bracelet. The hallmark is hard to read in my pictures. It says "18K.D'A".

these are internet pictures, i have had them in my archives for years as reference material and posted them on the forum before ???? you say you took them ???? hmmm
click the link below

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...president+band

Askewww · 22 May 2015, 11:06 AM

Busted!

etp095 · 22 May 2015, 11:10 AM

What are capped links?

crowncollection · 22 May 2015, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by etp095

What are capped links?

You see from the side the links are not enclosed

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swatty · 22 May 2015, 06:29 PM

[QUOTE=crowncollection;5856851]

Quote:

Originally Posted by toholio

I've just emailed him for a rough estimate of the cost of having it "put right". I suspect it will be a big job since I'd like to see all the links capped.

Me too. It's definitely something odd. Until I found out that bracelets made under license were not uncommon in South America I had assumed it was a fake or aftermarket.

Here are some pictures I took to send to Michael. You can see what I mean about it never having been a spectacular bracelet. The hallmark is hard to read in my pictures. It says "18K.D'A".

these are internet pictures, i have had them in my archives for years as reference material and posted them on the forum before ???? you say you took them ???? hmmm
click the link below

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...president+band

I wonder what happened to the OP ?

MonBK · 22 May 2015, 06:42 PM

[QUOTE=swatty;5857579]

Quote:

Originally Posted by crowncollection

I wonder what happened to the OP ?

He hasn't been here since Aug. 2013

crowncollection · 22 May 2015, 07:39 PM

[QUOTE=swatty;5857579]

Quote:

Originally Posted by crowncollection

I wonder what happened to the OP ?

[QUOTE=MonBK;5857589]

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Originally Posted by swatty

He hasn't been here since Aug. 2013

I have had the pics longer than that 2013 at least 5 years in my archives. I know they are not his as I know who took them and it's not him I was asked for advice about it. By the way these bands are made in Argentina not Venezuela as stated previously in this thread by another member . Cheers

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Vincent65 · 22 May 2015, 09:29 PM

Liar.
Bye.

zapokee · 23 May 2015, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crowncollection

I have had the pics longer than that 2013 at least 5 years in my archives. I know they are not his as I know who took them and it's not him I was asked for advice about it. By the way these bands are made in Argentina not Venezuela as stated previously in this thread by another member . Cheers

Great catch, David. Your extraordinary knowledge is a massive bonus to us all.

toholio · 19 January 2019, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swatty

I wonder what happened to the OP ?

Wandered off to do other things. I don't have a strong connection to Rolex collecting.

I plan on passing the band on to someone else shortly and when searching about ti again I found this post! Now I'm performing some post necromancy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by crowncollection

you say you took them ????

Correct. Here's an uncropped version of the picture you quoted:

And here's the same band in front of this post as I compose it:

And lying on my keyboard:

Looking through my own photo archive, there's another band like this with SRI (I think) engraved on the outside and that one is not mine.

Feel free to add these images to your archive.

Richard Carver · 19 January 2019, 06:48 PM

Ouch. :)

Andad · 19 January 2019, 06:55 PM

No big deal really.

David simply asked the question and it seems to have been answered.

crowncollection · 19 January 2019, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toholio

Wandered off to do other things. I don't have a strong connection to Rolex collecting.

I plan on passing the band on to someone else shortly and when searching about ti again I found this post! Now I'm performing some post necromancy.

Correct. Here's an uncropped version of the picture you quoted:

And here's the same band in front of this post as I compose it:

And lying on my keyboard:

Looking through my own photo archive, there's another band like this with SRI (I think) engraved on the outside and that one is not mine.

Feel free to add these images to your archive.

Well I guess I got my dates wrong, years are going by. They were sent to me by another member who asked for authentication who said they took them. As seen in the screen shot it was 2014

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crowncollection · 19 January 2019, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Carver

Ouch. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by directioneng

No big deal really.

David simply asked the question and it seems to have been answered.

I got my dates wrong my bad but knew I had seen these before, see screenshot, another member claimed they were theirs and asked for authentication, what can you do cheers

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toholio · 19 January 2019, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crowncollection

I got my dates wrong my bad but knew I had seen these before, see screenshot, another member claimed they were theirs and asked for authentication, what can you do cheers

It happens. I was more amused than anything else.

FWIW, I did need to double check that those were my photos and not other similar images I have saved.

I have no idea where the following came from but they're not mine. Perhaps these are also some you remembered?:

22 March 2013, 10:24 AM	#1
toholio "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Melbourne, Austra Posts: 19	Value of a 1970s president bracelet made under license in south america? Does a south american president bracelet made under license in the 1970s have any value beyond its scrap gold? Its hallmark is D'A which matches the confirmed history of how it came to me from Venezuela. Apparently there were a few bracelets made under license in Argentina at that time. Rolex wont deal with it at a service but they won't kick up a stink either since it's not actually fake. I guess we can chalk its existence up to one of those mistakes Rolex wish they hadn't made. The particular bracelet is 18K yellow gold. Weight is 61g. It is in wearable condition but is nothing spectacular. The ends of the links are hollow and have no caps on their inside faces. This means that the links "stretch" to the maximum possible extent. Very loose. I'll try to add some pictures later today if that's going to help.

22 March 2013, 05:59 PM	#2
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,157	I don't think its worth more, but michael young coud make it new. I think its interesting though a part of history __________________ watches many

22 May 2015, 10:22 AM	#7
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,157	[QUOTE=toholio;4043046]I've just emailed him for a rough estimate of the cost of having it "put right". I suspect it will be a big job since I'd like to see all the links capped. Me too. It's definitely something odd. Until I found out that bracelets made under license were not uncommon in South America I had assumed it was a fake or aftermarket. Here are some pictures I took to send to Michael. You can see what I mean about it never having been a spectacular bracelet. The hallmark is hard to read in my pictures. It says "18K.D'A". these are internet pictures, i have had them in my archives for years as reference material and posted them on the forum before ???? you say you took them ???? hmmm click the link below http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...president+band __________________ watches many

22 May 2015, 11:10 AM	#9
etp095 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: rudolph Location: chicago burbs Posts: 2,026	What are capped links? __________________ tt date circa 69' 5513 circa 81' ss sub w/date (z) pepsi gmt for dad(D) polar expy II(z) 1675 gmt circa 68' ladies datejust on jubilee for mom (z) sea dweller16600(M) SS Sub-C(g) Omega Planet Ocean,45.5 on mesh(2500D)

22 May 2015, 09:29 PM	#14
Vincent65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Switzerland Posts: 14,293	Liar. Bye. __________________

21 May 2015, 05:15 PM	#5
AngelaM "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Madrid Posts: 3	Only one jeweler was authorized to make Rolex bracelets in Venezuela by Rolex Headquarters. Their bracelets are considered authentic, certified by Rolex Geneva and made entirely under Rolex specifications and authorization. They made the bracelets for President Mens & Ladies and Jubilee Steel-and-Gold and Gold Men's and Ladies models. They were open until 1992. They went out of business afterwards. The D'A in the bracelet stands for the owner's last name initials. The bracelet you show there might be from them but of course it's impossible to knw if it's authentic only by looking at an online picture. There are lots of imitations around. The only thing that can be said by looking at it is that it's definitely very old. And yes, the center links were hollow at the time.

22 May 2015, 04:43 AM	#6
dpa94114 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: ex SF, back east Posts: 531	very cool - i like the ROLEX font on the back

22 May 2015, 11:06 AM	#8
Askewww "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: ND Posts: 511	Busted!

19 January 2019, 06:48 PM	#17
Richard Carver "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: US Posts: 2,237	Ouch. :)

19 January 2019, 06:55 PM	#18
Andad 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 36,807	No big deal really. David simply asked the question and it seems to have been answered. __________________ E

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