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MrD700 · 18 August 2010, 05:14 AM

Just came back from a dealer here in Toronto west end where I was ready to purchase a Sub Date C. I asked how much the price is and the reply was "when you're ready". I asked "how about now?". The person gave me the msrp. I asked how much the discounted price is. He left to ask his manager, then came back and said it's the same as the msrp since this is the only one in the store and that he doesn't know when the next one is coming in.

If this is the way this dealer treats its customers, I don't think I'll ever go back there.

Puffy · 18 August 2010, 05:15 AM

don't

Numismatist · 18 August 2010, 05:16 AM

I am surprised it wasn't higher than MSRP. I don't really see anything wrong with this. He's selling it to you at the suggested retail price because it's a brand new item.

Wait a bit, they'll come down or you can find one right here on TRF.

dysondiver · 18 August 2010, 05:16 AM

its the same answer i got when i went to look at a standard sub , they are in short supply , and end of line , no discount at all.
seems quite normal.

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and hello too

gqllc · 18 August 2010, 05:19 AM

supply and demand but not greed...if the dealer had 10 of them in stock I am sure they would have discounted the watch for you. He has overhead just like everyone else and will have no trouble moving that watch at msrp

mjm800 · 18 August 2010, 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gqllc

supply and demand but not greed...if the dealer had 10 of them in stock I am sure they would have discounted the watch for you. He has overhead just like everyone else and will have no trouble moving that watch at msrp

Exactly unless you have bought watches from them before and have built a relationship why should they sell a watch at a discount they can get full price for in a short amount of time. Sure if it was a few years old or they had plenty of stock then there is room for negotiation but not on a watch that is currently considered a hot item.

ParisDakarBmw · 18 August 2010, 05:24 AM

Why would a businessman of any sort sell a product below retail when it will sell in 2 days at that price?

I think the AD was right not to sell it for less. There is no need to!

The flip side of the coin........

I wish you had found a deal, and saved a few bucks on the watch.

VincentVega · 18 August 2010, 05:24 AM

You don't have to ever go back there - and he/she will still sell that Sub C. End of story. As much as you don't want to hear it - they don't need you or anyone else who demands a discount to sell that particular model.

Now, go to the same store ready to buy a less desired model or a gold/plat watch of almost any model, and I would guess they would jump at the opportunity to offer you a discount off the MSRP

Bottom line: it's not greed, it's capitalism

PanosI · 18 August 2010, 05:27 AM

Don't expect discount on a fresh-new model that it is on the display less than a month.

Wait a year and you 'll have here and in other dealers a -25% in your pocket.

That's the way it is.

dddrees · 18 August 2010, 05:28 AM

Pretty much agreed I was qouted the same price. Supply and demand, and if I were the selletr I would be doing the samee thing. Face it people are in business to make money. The more money you can make the better off you are. Be fair and reasonable but why cut your own throat.

WARVET · 18 August 2010, 05:30 AM

I don't think it's greed, dealers have a right to chrge MSRP, you have a right to shop elseware. Harley Davidson went through A similar period about a decade ago when demand for bikes outstripped supply, salespeople became rude and a lot of people were turned off.

chris russell · 18 August 2010, 05:32 AM

I was told by the dealer that the Sub-c will NOT be in short supply, and got a good price on it. Don't believe the hype.

Rolesor · 18 August 2010, 05:33 AM

I take it you were at Royal De Versaille?

They tend to be @$$es - when you're ready.. who says that??

FLB03TT · 18 August 2010, 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ParisDakarBmw

Why would a businessman of any sort sell a product below retail when it will sell in 2 days at that price?

I think the AD was right not to sell it for less. There is no need to!

The flip side of the coin........

I wish you had found a deal, and saved a few bucks on the watch.

Ditto

Dan Pierce · 18 August 2010, 05:37 AM

It's the "when you're ready" remark that put a bunch in my shorts.

dP

Eric88 · 18 August 2010, 05:41 AM

I have seen a number of FS postings on a couple of watch forums where folks are asking $8k or even $9k for the Sub-C. Not sure if there is anyone desperate enough to pay above retail like this. That strikes me as greedy, but maybe folks are making money this way.

Give it a few months...I suspect by around Christmas the pre-owned market will be more flooded and we should start seeing these sell below $7k.

jeremyam · 18 August 2010, 05:51 AM

If you don't like the way your treated don't go back. I think the conversation you had at the AD is pretty standard. Unless they know you, unless you've purchased from them before, I think they'd rather not tell you the price, you could price shop, use the quote to shop around etc...

If you really want the watch and are willing to forget about your unfortunate incident, tell them you've been quoted at $xxx.xx under retail and see if they'd match the phantom quote. If not, well, they'll be wondering what would have been and what AD is undercutting them.

Play the game, be patient and approach the seller with different offers. Cash, Cash/Credit Combo and play around. The more time they spend with you the more they'll want the sale. Don't let them get the better of you if you really want the Sub.

I live in Toronto and you can PM me. I'd like to help but would suggest the 16610 for value and for rarity...

J

Dweller of the Sea · 18 August 2010, 05:52 AM

"when you´re ready" is an ok remark, when said nicely. Theres no reason to talk about the price, if the buyer isn´t serious/buying now.

I can understand that dealers dosn´t give discount on new models and discontinued, its just business. In a few months there will be plenty Sub-c´s to get a discount.

imono · 18 August 2010, 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrD700

Just came back from a dealer here in Toronto west end where I was ready to purchase a Sub Date C. I asked how much the price is and the reply was "when you're ready".

The sales person definitely look at you as if you are a small spec of a fly and not worthy of their almighty AD status.
I know I won't buy from this guy and will quote what he said to his manager.

GeeRam · 18 August 2010, 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrD700

Just came back from a dealer here in Toronto west end where I was ready to purchase a Sub Date C. I asked how much the price is and the reply was "when you're ready". I asked "how about now?". The person gave me the msrp. I asked how much the discounted price is. He left to ask his manager, then came back and said it's the same as the msrp since this is the only one in the store and that he doesn't know when the next one is coming in.

If this is the way this dealer treats its customers, I don't think I'll ever go back there.

Fair enough......... go elsewhere.

Just be prepared for the same answer.

As others have said, no need for an AD to sell at a discount when he probably already knows that some grey dealers that have got hold of a Sub C are easily selling them at a considerable sum ABOVE MSRP.

And, equally the AD that managed to find me a new 'old' Sub a few months back politely declined when I mentioned the chance of a discount on that, as he knew there were not that many left and if I wasn't prepared to buy at MSRP he wouldn't have a problem finding someone else who would.

Joe(UK) · 18 August 2010, 06:05 AM

getting upset because you cant get money off a brand new out very highly anticipated watch? LOL!

and its not greed to ask MSRP on anything, offering discount is a way of selling items, not offering discount when you dont have to is not greed.

Asking OVER MSRP.... now thats greed.

esm · 18 August 2010, 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrD700

Just came back from a dealer here in Toronto west end where I was ready to purchase a Sub Date C. I asked how much the price is and the reply was "when you're ready". I asked "how about now?". The person gave me the msrp. I asked how much the discounted price is. He left to ask his manager, then came back and said it's the same as the msrp since this is the only one in the store and that he doesn't know when the next one is coming in.

If this is the way this dealer treats its customers, I don't think I'll ever go back there.

wow... you learn something new everyday

since when was selling at MSRP = greed?

welcome and great first post

Joe(UK) · 18 August 2010, 06:10 AM

almost forgot, huge welcome to the forum and great choice on the Sub-C, its a great watch

Rolesor · 18 August 2010, 06:11 AM

Just to clarify - the price is pretty expected at this point. His choice of words is what upsets me!

sturgeon123456 · 18 August 2010, 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numismatist

I am surprised it wasn't higher than MSRP. I don't really see anything wrong with this. He's selling it to you at the suggested retail price because it's a brand new item.

Wait a bit, they'll come down or you can find one right here on TRF.

Yep, dealer did nothing wrong.....you could go to many ADs right now and I think it would be hard to come across a discount on any 2010 release stainless steel Rolex.

timetravel125 · 18 August 2010, 06:18 AM

IMO, the dealer didn't do anything wrong, nor guilty of greed.

Chipmunk · 18 August 2010, 06:21 AM

When your not ready to pay MSRP, then walk away.

ObscureLight · 18 August 2010, 06:34 AM

This is simple enough as many others have pointed out. This isnt greed its just business. I don't think the dealer "treated you bad". The subc line is too new at the moment and they will easily sell at retail, so when you call them greedy simply because you demanded a discount and didnt get one I think its unfair to make the AD look bad. It would apply to the ss daytonas as well, I'd like to see someone walk into an AD and get a discount on the ss daytona when they ask for one. Supply and demand.

Art 1 · 18 August 2010, 06:37 AM

Welcome to the forum. I see nothing wrong in what the AD did, the watch is probably already gone.

Dweller of the Sea · 18 August 2010, 06:50 AM

Isn´t it greedy to expect a discount?
Discount is an opportunity, not a birth given right

18 August 2010, 05:14 AM	#1
MrD700 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Toronto Watch: 116610LN Posts: 14	Law of supply and demand.... and greed Just came back from a dealer here in Toronto west end where I was ready to purchase a Sub Date C. I asked how much the price is and the reply was "when you're ready". I asked "how about now?". The person gave me the msrp. I asked how much the discounted price is. He left to ask his manager, then came back and said it's the same as the msrp since this is the only one in the store and that he doesn't know when the next one is coming in. If this is the way this dealer treats its customers, I don't think I'll ever go back there.

18 August 2010, 05:15 AM	#2
Puffy "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 12,485	don't __________________ Fine Quality is Long Remembered After the Pain of Spending Money is Forgotten

18 August 2010, 05:16 AM	#3
Numismatist "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Chris Location: Camden ME & STT Watch: 116600 Posts: 6,350	I am surprised it wasn't higher than MSRP. I don't really see anything wrong with this. He's selling it to you at the suggested retail price because it's a brand new item. Wait a bit, they'll come down or you can find one right here on TRF. __________________ Rolex 116600 Sea-dweller Montblanc Solitaire Doué Black & White Legrand FP Montblanc Solitaire Doué Black & White RB Montblanc Meisterstück Diamond Mozart BP Montblanc Meisterstück Mozart BP

18 August 2010, 05:19 AM	#5
gqllc "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Steve Location: Albany NY Watch: Blue Bezel SubC Posts: 1,511	supply and demand but not greed...if the dealer had 10 of them in stock I am sure they would have discounted the watch for you. He has overhead just like everyone else and will have no trouble moving that watch at msrp __________________ K-TT Datejust, Random Blue Bezel SubC

18 August 2010, 05:28 AM	#10
dddrees "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Real Name: Dan Location: USA Watch: This N That Posts: 34,251	Pretty much agreed I was qouted the same price. Supply and demand, and if I were the selletr I would be doing the samee thing. Face it people are in business to make money. The more money you can make the better off you are. Be fair and reasonable but why cut your own throat. __________________ When it captures your imagination, that's when you know you have found your passion. Loyal Foot Soldier of The Nylon Nation. Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

18 August 2010, 05:16 AM	#4
dysondiver "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: tom Location: northern ireland Watch: my fins Posts: 10,063	its the same answer i got when i went to look at a standard sub , they are in short supply , and end of line , no discount at all. seems quite normal. , , and hello too

18 August 2010, 05:24 AM	#7
ParisDakarBmw Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Paul Location: New Haven, CT Watch: 116610 Sub-C Posts: 6,552	Why would a businessman of any sort sell a product below retail when it will sell in 2 days at that price? I think the AD was right not to sell it for less. There is no need to! The flip side of the coin........ I wish you had found a deal, and saved a few bucks on the watch.

18 August 2010, 05:24 AM	#8
VincentVega Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: USA Posts: 29	You don't have to ever go back there - and he/she will still sell that Sub C. End of story. As much as you don't want to hear it - they don't need you or anyone else who demands a discount to sell that particular model. Now, go to the same store ready to buy a less desired model or a gold/plat watch of almost any model, and I would guess they would jump at the opportunity to offer you a discount off the MSRP Bottom line: it's not greed, it's capitalism

18 August 2010, 05:27 AM	#9
PanosI 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Panos Location: Athens, Greece Watch: 16710 Posts: 8,704	Don't expect discount on a fresh-new model that it is on the display less than a month. Wait a year and you 'll have here and in other dealers a -25% in your pocket. That's the way it is.

18 August 2010, 05:30 AM	#11
WARVET "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Vincent Location: Louisiana Watch: 16710 Coke Posts: 448	I don't think it's greed, dealers have a right to chrge MSRP, you have a right to shop elseware. Harley Davidson went through A similar period about a decade ago when demand for bikes outstripped supply, salespeople became rude and a lot of people were turned off.

18 August 2010, 05:32 AM	#12
chris russell Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Peterborough, ON Watch: your mouth. Posts: 1,023	I just ordered one over the phone, by coincidence only about 3 minutes ago. I was told by the dealer that the Sub-c will NOT be in short supply, and got a good price on it. Don't believe the hype.

18 August 2010, 05:33 AM	#13
Rolesor "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Brandon Location: Toronto, ON Watch: 116234 Posts: 4,141	I take it you were at Royal De Versaille? They tend to be @$$es - when you're ready.. who says that?? __________________ 116234 - Blue Concentric Dial - Fluted Bezel - Oyster Bracelet

18 August 2010, 05:37 AM	#15
Dan Pierce 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: D'OH! Location: Kentucky Watch: Rolex-1 Tudor-3 Posts: 35,762	It's the "when you're ready" remark that put a bunch in my shorts. dP __________________ TRF Member# 1668 Bass Player in TRF "AFTER DARK" Bar & NightClub Band Commander-in-Chief of The Nylon Nation The Crown & Shield Club Honorary Member of P-Club

18 August 2010, 05:41 AM	#16
Eric88 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: 88 keys Posts: 2,238	I have seen a number of FS postings on a couple of watch forums where folks are asking $8k or even $9k for the Sub-C. Not sure if there is anyone desperate enough to pay above retail like this. That strikes me as greedy, but maybe folks are making money this way. Give it a few months...I suspect by around Christmas the pre-owned market will be more flooded and we should start seeing these sell below $7k.

18 August 2010, 05:51 AM	#17
jeremyam Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Jeremy Location: Toronto, Ontario Watch: 16610 V Posts: 511	If you don't like the way your treated don't go back. I think the conversation you had at the AD is pretty standard. Unless they know you, unless you've purchased from them before, I think they'd rather not tell you the price, you could price shop, use the quote to shop around etc... If you really want the watch and are willing to forget about your unfortunate incident, tell them you've been quoted at $xxx.xx under retail and see if they'd match the phantom quote. If not, well, they'll be wondering what would have been and what AD is undercutting them. Play the game, be patient and approach the seller with different offers. Cash, Cash/Credit Combo and play around. The more time they spend with you the more they'll want the sale. Don't let them get the better of you if you really want the Sub. I live in Toronto and you can PM me. I'd like to help but would suggest the 16610 for value and for rarity... J

18 August 2010, 05:52 AM	#18
Dweller of the Sea "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: EU Watch: ing TRF Posts: 576	"when you´re ready" is an ok remark, when said nicely. Theres no reason to talk about the price, if the buyer isn´t serious/buying now. I can understand that dealers dosn´t give discount on new models and discontinued, its just business. In a few months there will be plenty Sub-c´s to get a discount.

18 August 2010, 06:05 AM	#21
Joe(UK) "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Joe Location: Somerset, UK Watch: PAM417, PAM000 Posts: 233	getting upset because you cant get money off a brand new out very highly anticipated watch? LOL! and its not greed to ask MSRP on anything, offering discount is a way of selling items, not offering discount when you dont have to is not greed. Asking OVER MSRP.... now thats greed.

18 August 2010, 06:10 AM	#23
Joe(UK) "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Joe Location: Somerset, UK Watch: PAM417, PAM000 Posts: 233	almost forgot, huge welcome to the forum and great choice on the Sub-C, its a great watch

18 August 2010, 06:11 AM	#24
Rolesor "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Brandon Location: Toronto, ON Watch: 116234 Posts: 4,141	Just to clarify - the price is pretty expected at this point. His choice of words is what upsets me! __________________ 116234 - Blue Concentric Dial - Fluted Bezel - Oyster Bracelet

18 August 2010, 06:18 AM	#26
timetravel125 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Louie Location: California Watch: Rolex Posts: 644	IMO, the dealer didn't do anything wrong, nor guilty of greed.

18 August 2010, 06:21 AM	#27
Chipmunk "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Alvin Location: So Cal Watch: ROLEXES Posts: 5,390	When your not ready to pay MSRP, then walk away. __________________ "A thing of beauty is a joy forever"............John Keats

18 August 2010, 06:34 AM	#28
ObscureLight "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Ritchie Location: NYC Watch: Holy Trinity Posts: 407	This is simple enough as many others have pointed out. This isnt greed its just business. I don't think the dealer "treated you bad". The subc line is too new at the moment and they will easily sell at retail, so when you call them greedy simply because you demanded a discount and didnt get one I think its unfair to make the AD look bad. It would apply to the ss daytonas as well, I'd like to see someone walk into an AD and get a discount on the ss daytona when they ask for one. Supply and demand.

18 August 2010, 06:37 AM	#29
Art 1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Florida, Canada Watch: Rol/Seik/Tud/Omega Posts: 30,244	Welcome to the forum. I see nothing wrong in what the AD did, the watch is probably already gone.

18 August 2010, 06:50 AM	#30
Dweller of the Sea "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: EU Watch: ing TRF Posts: 576	Isn´t it greedy to expect a discount? Discount is an opportunity, not a birth given right

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