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Old 20 May 2017, 01:23 PM   #91
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Well said I cannot understand the hype either...for sellers, sealed commands a premuim and buyers like to pay the premium to break the seal
Thanks Tony, by "premium" I was referring to this post above^^^

As I said, I've only ever purchased new from an AD, but always already "out of the wrapper"
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Old 20 May 2017, 01:39 PM   #92
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Fully agree
But some of us still like to unseal the watch ourselves and then give the watch a good examination using a loupe.
Tony I like sealed watch too. If is fun to unsealed by myself and no one will touch my watch before me.

maybe you will have a chance of your incoming 5167A.
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Old 20 May 2017, 01:50 PM   #93
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Ok, but when you open the seal and detect a defect (while still at the AD) aren't you then still obligated to take delivery? I've purchased new from various AD's but never a sealed watch. I'm just curious about the process.

Personally breaking the seal does nothing at all for me, and certainly not worth a premium.
If you pay a premium at an AD for sealed then something wrong!!
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Old 20 May 2017, 03:29 PM   #94
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Tony I like sealed watch too. If is fun to unsealed by myself and no one will touch my watch before me.

maybe you will have a chance of your incoming 5167A.
Brian, that is what I am hoping
It will be the first time since 2010, so well overdue
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I'd throw your loupe away...you will always be able to find something wrong.
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Old 20 May 2017, 09:27 PM   #96
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If you pay a premium at an AD for sealed then something wrong!!
Perhaps at an AD, but does the same hold true for the secondary/grey market?

Every watch I've purchased from an AD has been out of its seal. I've never cared enough to ask otherwise. I had assumed that a sealed watch had some added value to some collectors, and that might explain why some keep their watches sealed and in a safe?
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Old 20 May 2017, 09:29 PM   #97
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Perhaps at an AD, but does the same hold true for the secondary/grey market?

Every watch I've purchased from an AD has been out of its seal. I've never cared enough to ask otherwise. I had assumed that a sealed watch had some added value to some collectors, and that might explain why some keep their watches sealed and in a safe?
Every piece I have purchased from an AD has been sealed and I have opened it in front of them prior to papers being filled out (application pieces excepted) - I assumed this is normal for any piece ordered in rather than from stock.
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Old 20 May 2017, 09:40 PM   #98
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Every piece I have purchased from an AD has been sealed and I have opened it in front of them prior to papers being filled out - I assumed this is normal for a piece ordered in specially rather than from stock.
I probably don't have sufficient experience to comment on what is normal practice. In my own situation the watches I've purchased have not been special order however.

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Perhaps at an AD, but does the same hold true for the secondary/grey market?

Every watch I've purchased from an AD has been out of its seal. I've never cared enough to ask otherwise. I had assumed that a sealed watch had some added value to some collectors, and that might explain why some keep their watches sealed and in a safe?
Would you rather buy a 5131 pre owned and sealed or unsealed? There is your premium
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Old 21 May 2017, 05:12 AM   #100
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Would you rather buy a 5131 pre owned and sealed or unsealed? There is your premium
Depends, I suppose, if "breaking the seal" to inspect commits me to purchase.

As others have stated, I'd like the chance to inspect prior to such a large purchase. I've not seen a sealed watch but I have to assume that it would make inspection more problematic.

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Old 21 May 2017, 11:38 AM   #101
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I think it's more the case of knowing when it's sealed it hasn't been used as a shop demo model, worn to the opera by the staff and as "new" as when it left the factory!!

If I order a car then I expect to be the first to drive it out the dealership versus it having being taken for a test spin by 30 people before me
Worn to the opera! Boy we are in first class here, no Kebabs on the night bus home.
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Old 21 May 2017, 03:21 PM   #102
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Worn to the opera! Boy we are in first class here, no Kebabs on the night bus home.
could do a decent newspaper cone of hot chips and vinegar tho!!
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I probably don't have sufficient experience to comment on what is normal practice. In my own situation the watches I've purchased have not been special order however.

Tony, I to have purchased unsealed pieces from my AD, which have sat on display for however long and worn by countless or prospective customers. But on occasion, and imo, its a real nice feeling to break that seal yourself. Bit like being the first person to walk in untouched snow

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Depends, I suppose, if "breaking the seal" to inspect commits me to purchase.

As others have stated, I'd like the chance to inspect prior to such a large purchase. I've not seen a sealed watch but I have to assume that it would make inspection more problematic.

I have had AD's offer to unseal a watch for me, just to look at. But unless I am really intending on buying it, I always decline, that honour, again imo, should fall to the new owner.
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Old 21 May 2017, 08:17 PM   #104
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Considering how big Emperor as an AD is, they should replace the watch with a new one, that's if they have one readily available. I bought a 5235 from Eldorado, arguably the biggest and oldest PP AD is HK. The case back fell off the moment the bag was cut. Boss was there and embarrassed, "no worries, we happened to have another one..." and it was replaced. Emperor I guess just didn't want to deal with an exchange with PP and the hassle becomes all yours...
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Old 21 May 2017, 09:24 PM   #105
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I still think its fantastic that they specialise in "imitation jewery"!
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Old 21 May 2017, 10:00 PM   #106
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could do a decent newspaper cone of hot chips and vinegar tho!!
Throw some fried fish on that and you have a deal.
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Considering how big Emperor as an AD is, they should replace the watch with a new one, that's if they have one readily available. I bought a 5235 from Eldorado, arguably the biggest and oldest PP AD is HK. The case back fell off the moment the bag was cut. Boss was there and embarrassed, "no worries, we happened to have another one..." and it was replaced. Emperor I guess just didn't want to deal with an exchange with PP and the hassle becomes all yours...
Piece was worn for 2 days before the mark was noticed.
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Old 4 June 2017, 11:04 AM   #108
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Old 4 July 2017, 08:05 PM   #109
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So sorry to see this. Not acceptable. In general, there is a physical limit to how much hand engraving and finishing can be achieved whilst maintaining the required quality level. Once a mfr pushes these human boundaries exceeds in pursuit of "heavenly artwork" you will invariably increase the possibility to introduce flaws. I would much rather have a little less of the "overkill" (you probably would not notice it anyway) and have a product which is flawless to the naked eye. Then everyone will be happy.
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