Patek 5711 or 5712?

[lapince]

Originally Posted by kultschar

I also had this dilema however looking at the market it makes 1000% sense to get the 5711 first and change to the 5712 if need be rather then the other way around

Well the second hand prices are doing quite well for the 5712 as well, if bought at the right price, you can get your money back quite easily, just maybe you won't make a few bucks like the 5711, but money back is doable...

[kultschar]

Yup. But I think if you dont like your 5711 the 5712 will become a lot cheaper looking at crazy 5711 prices

[doramas]

5711

[Defiancekofb]

5711 for the win, I have seen the 5712 in the flesh and have passed on the opportunity to buy one. In my opinion the dial is just too busy for a 40mm case.

5711 maybe be a bit too understated, but the 5712 is a bit too overstated. If it was a 42-43mm case I could see all of the complications fitting in harmony.

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[Silver Bullet]

5711 ftw

[Henkan]

5712 has the more interesting 240 caliber with micro rotor. If you have any other Pateks with the 324 caliber (as in the 5711) you might go with the 5712.

[yoast]

5712 for sure

[earlmale]

5711 for me. I have the steel in blue, and waiting for the r, next week!


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[debner4]

Curious whether the 5711 or 5712 looks better with a tee shirt and shorts? What about with a suit?

Any thoughts on which one is more casual or which is more formal?

Looking to wear this watch 80% of the time, and rotate the rest of my collection the other 20%.

So is the 5711 or 5712 (both in steel, blue dial) more versatile as a daily wearer?

[Daytonaman799]

love the '12....

[JPMD]

Originally Posted by debner4

Curious whether the 5711 or 5712 looks better with a tee shirt and shorts? What about with a suit?

Any thoughts on which one is more casual or which is more formal?

Looking to wear this watch 80% of the time, and rotate the rest of my collection the other 20%.

So is the 5711 or 5712 (both in steel, blue dial) more versatile as a daily wearer?

I had both but sold the 5711, kept the 5712 to go along with AP 15202 and added 5167.

IMO (disclaimer I am far from being an expert) the 5712 is the more casual watch and based on your criteria for use should work better for you although both the 5711 & 5712 can work with suit or shorts. I'm happy with the 5712.

[jschmidtdmd]

I can't wait to get a 5712 back in my stable. When it happens it will be my third and I won't be releasing it again.

[rolehex]

5711, Less is More on that one.

[Jareddad]

Buy the 5711, wear it for a while, then sell it for $30k. Get 5712.

[kilyung]

I about choked recently when I found out that used 5711/1a are selling for 53% more than I paid BNIB. Crazy. Get the 5711.

[cervantes]

5711 - quite perfect for me...

[AK797]

Originally Posted by debner4

Curious whether the 5711 or 5712 looks better with a tee shirt and shorts? What about with a suit?

Any thoughts on which one is more casual or which is more formal?

Looking to wear this watch 80% of the time, and rotate the rest of my collection the other 20%.

So is the 5711 or 5712 (both in steel, blue dial) more versatile as a daily wearer?

Comedian Jimmy Carr, just about the best dressed man in the UK wears a 5712, looks fantastic on him. You can easily wear both tho.

[Silver Bullet]

Both transition well from suit to t-shirt, though I think that the 5712 is slightly more casual with the busier dial and splash of red.

The 5711 is so true to the timeless Genta design, and so beautiful and symmetrical. Personally, I'd go for the 5711. On the other hand, if you like the 5712 more, then go for it because it's *nice to be different*. I'm enjoying a 5711 with white dial at the moment and loving it.

Having said all that, I think my favorite Nautilus, perhaps even favorite watch -period - may be the 5726. For me, that could be a one-and-done watch.

[SamP]

I was having such a bad day, until I read your post. Thank you for the laugh.
I defy anyone who's read your post, not to laugh.
To get a bit more serious. I could be totally wrong, but it sounds like someone told you Nautilus was a model range to go for and you've fallen for it.
Perhaps you're speculating.
I only say this because you like the simplicity but maybe you don't. You like this ,but maybe you don't. You like that, but maybe you don't.
If the 5711 is too plane, and the 5712 is too busy - simple buy the 5726.
I'm not having a go or being disparaging, but come on. You like that it's cheaper, but does that make it inferior.
If you're really passionate about buying a Nautilus, I think you could have conveyed and constructed your post so much better.
My hunch is you've been offered these two beauties and think you have to buy one, but don't know which one. You don't have to buy either. Don't waste big chucks of money on a watch you're not head over heals in love with. However you won't lose money on either and probably would make money - hence my mentioning the speculation earlier.
The 5980 & 5990 are also beauties, maybe you'll fall for one of those.
I hope you find my response helpful.
Btw I'm a Rolex man, but bought a 5726 for my 50th birthday - because it's a symmetrical beauty.

[debner4]

Originally Posted by SamP

I was having such a bad day, until I read your post. Thank you for the laugh.
I defy anyone who's read your post, not to laugh.
To get a bit more serious. I could be totally wrong, but it sounds like someone told you Nautilus was a model range to go for and you've fallen for it.
Perhaps you're speculating.
I only say this because you like the simplicity but maybe you don't. You like this ,but maybe you don't. You like that, but maybe you don't.
If the 5711 is too plane, and the 5712 is too busy - simple buy the 5726.
I'm not having a go or being disparaging, but come on. You like that it's cheaper, but does that make it inferior.
If you're really passionate about buying a Nautilus, I think you could have conveyed and constructed your post so much better.
My hunch is you've been offered these two beauties and think you have to buy one, but don't know which one. You don't have to buy either. Don't waste big chucks of money on a watch you're not head over heals in love with. However you won't lose money on either and probably would make money - hence my mentioning the speculation earlier.
The 5980 & 5990 are also beauties, maybe you'll fall for one of those.
I hope you find my response helpful.
Btw I'm a Rolex man, but bought a 5726 for my 50th birthday - because it's a symmetrical beauty.

Ha! Don't misread my lack of conviction for lack of passion! I LOVE both of these watches, but can only afford to buy one of them at the moment. I went into this with a clear decision to get a 5712, but ONLY because I didn't even think it was possible to get a 5711 (at least, not without waiting years to get it). The availability of the 5711 is what has thrown me off as I was already set to get the 5712, but there is a lot I like about the 5711 too. This isn't the case of me not liking either watch enough to buy it (which is a good question for you to raise), but rather, is truly the case of wanting two things but only being able to have one. I also have no intent on selling whatever watch I buy, so I am not a speculator, but not knowing what the future holds and knowing that things change, the fact that the 5711 is a surer bet as far as not losing money if I were to sell, is a factor. As is the fact that a pre-owned 5711 sells for about the same as a pre-owned 5712 so if I changed my mind down the road, I could potentially do an even swap of my 5711 for a 5712 while saving $8k in the process. The reverse is not true. If I buy a 5712 and then decide to swap it for a 5711, I'd basically eat the extra $8k between the two watches, new. What makes this tricky is that I don't intend to sell whichever what I choose, and I like the idea of being the original owner with my name on the papers, so it isn't necessarily as easy as just buying the 5711 and deciding later whether to trade...

p.s. Yes, I know I am a mess...

[SamP]

Hi.
Super response.
I applaud your not wanting to speculate, even though you easily could.
Perhaps you could spend a few hours in the dealership alternating each on your wrist. You'll make the right decision. Do you have any other watches? The look and feel of those might sway you.
Also, you could consider helping out a fellow site member by saving him/her a few years wait by selling them the surplus watch. Or even charging them an extra $1000 and donating the extra to charity.
May I ask the reason for your abundance of luck with regards to being offered both Watches.
Btw, you're not a mess, it's just that anyone reading the original post would think you are, but after reading your second post, they would know better.

Regards

[Helmi]

Originally Posted by debner4

It's really interesting how split the responses are. Justifying my inability to make a decision, but not helping me to make a decision... :)

Buy both

That was my case as well


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[SpeedyTuomas]

Both are great, get the one you like more.

[sarey]

5711 is stunning and so is 5712. But on point of difference i'd go for the 5712 just to break away from the 5711 wanters... which is too much of an obvious choice ... 5712 shows a bit more class and individualism..

[mps354]

5711 for me

[Calatrava r]

Originally Posted by debner4

This has come up many times before on this forum, but not since 2014. I'm wondering how thoughts have changed.

I have an opportunity to but either a 5711 or 5712 new from AD. Both in steel (blue dial) and both on bracelet. Really struggling which one to choose as what I like about each is also what I don't like about each (relative to one another). For instance:

5711
I love the plain dial, but worry that the plan dial is too boring.
Love the understated look, but worry it's too understated.
Like that it is less money, but is it inferior because it is less money.

5712
Love the complications, but don't really need any of the complications.
Love the asymmetrical dial, but worry it's too busy.
Like that it is more interesting, worry that it I will like it less as time wears on.

Curious what the current sentiments are out there now that both of these references are extremely difficult to find at AD.

Any and all help/thoughts are appreciated. Especially from those that have also gone through this excruciating decision and/or have owned either or both.

Thanks in advance!

Issue resolved.

[Mauiguy]

This..

[Hairdude1]

5711 all day then the 12

[aadebonojo]

I had your same problem but it is finally resolved now, I had an Aquanaut time only and that got me into the Pateks and in love with the Nautilus range. I asked my dealer for a 5711 and she said it would take a while, so I went ahead and pulled the trigger on a Pre-Owned one for way above list. I loved it and could hardly get it off my wrist, my other watches suffered. Four months in I was told there was a new 5712 available for me at retail if I wanted it, and so I jumped at the chance and also sold the pre owned 5711 at a profit. My 5712 however for some reason didn’t get as much wrist time as the pre owned 5711 did and I started thinking I had fallen out of love with the Nautilus range, that was until I got the call about a new 5711 at retail which I then picked up. The 5711 has gone to being my favourite watch again with my 5712 sitting mostly in my safe.

I know it is a personal taste thing, but the 5711 has a level of style and finesse to it, it feels like it is not trying to impress yet impresses the hell out of me everytime I look at it. The days I wear the 5712 I feel like I am wearing ‘my other watch’

The designs strength is its understatedness and everything else just feels like an add on.

[watchtabs]

12 any day eryday.