How do you proof you mailed a ROLEX?

[RolexDivers]

Folks,

This is to guard against fraudulent buyers out there, who upon receiving a watch from you, claim the box was empty OR you mailed them a rock, OR you mailed them a $50 g-shock etc etc.

You can film the packaging process, take pics of the packaging proces BUT suppose some crook does claim you mailed them a g-shock, how do you prove to your credit card company OR paypal that you mailed an actual ROLEX?

Thanks,

[Vincent65]

wouldn't your photos/film of the packing process show the watch? Good idea, as it's dated as well

[RolexDivers]

Originally Posted by Vincent65

wouldn't your photos/film of the packing process show the watch? Good idea, as it's dated as well

Yes, BUT it doesn't prove that you mailed what you said you mailed. All the packagin /filming proves that on a given date and time, you did have the ROLEX in your possession. I mean papyal can say "what if you took the watch out at the last minute and substituted it with a casio??" --- And paypal is right ---

What if you film your self putting the watch into the box and then hand over the open box to the mail guy behind the counter and tell him to pack it up???

[padi56]

Originally Posted by RolexDivers

Folks,

This is to guard against fraudulent buyers out there, who upon receiving a watch from you, claim the box was empty OR you mailed them a rock, OR you mailed them a $50 g-shock etc etc.

You can film the packaging process, take pics of the packaging proces BUT suppose some crook does claim you mailed them a g-shock, how do you prove to your credit card company OR paypal that you mailed an actual ROLEX?

Thanks,

Well this subject could be applied to all things you buy on-line that have to be delivered to your home.And in most cases such fraudulent things very very very seldom happen, unless you buy from a non reliable source.Afraid today with Rolex watches there is much paranoia about the brand.And whether its stolen, or is this or that serial better, is it safe to do this or that while wearing etc most is all in the mind IMO.

[mjclark32]

Bring it to USPS and video/record packing it there in front of them, let them seal it up with tape and leave...?

[bayerische]

Buy the buyer.

[RolexDivers]

Originally Posted by padi56

Well this subject could be applied to all things you buy on-line that have to be delivered to your home.And in most cases such fraudulent things very very very seldom happen, unless you buy from a non reliable source.Afraid today with Rolex watches there is much paranoia about the brand.And whether its stolen, or is this or that serial better, is it safe to do this or that while wearing etc most is all in the mind IMO.

You are correct Padi --- we have lots of irrational fear in us and we always assume the worst. For the casual rolex owner, I am sure this is all irrational fear but for some heavy sellers on TRF, I think with volume of sales, the statstics can become somewhat relevant.

[skipp231]

Originally Posted by bayerische

buy the buyer.

+1!

[kilyung]

Isn't that why we ask for references even from buyers?

[RolexDivers]

Originally Posted by kilyung

Isn't that why we ask for references even from buyers?

Very true .... if we do as you said, it would never come to this...

[77T]

At least in the US, the burden of proof is on the accuser. The preponderance of your own evidence pics/video etc) would tip the scales in your favor.

Of course, only selling to trusted buyers helps. I have cancelled at least 4 eBay Rolex sales this year due to low references.

Lastly, a seller can always use an escrow service when selling to unknown or low ref. buyers to cut any BS out of the transaction.

[RRsDJ]

You can't prove it. That's why you should think twice and either sell it to a buyer on here with a history of buying or sell it locally to avoid the hassle.

I recently sold a DJ for $6400.00 and USPS will not touch your package (tape it up) if youre mailing it registered mail, which I hope you are because it's the most secure way.

The best you can do is go to the counter, start your video by showing the serial number in the rehaut or remove the bracelet to show it between the lugs and then box it up on the counter in front of the USPS worker and end the video when you walk out the door.



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[watchf]

IMO fliming the process doesn't do much or anything in most cases if someone is out to scam you. My opinion in the best way to prevent getting scammed is to 'buy the buyer/seller' as everyone has said, not to sell expensive items on ebay if you are not a commercial bulk seller who have lost bugeted in, never to use paypal to receive payment for high value items, if everything above ticks then make sure you use the safest shipping method. I learnt from experience.

If you really want to make it safe to the utmost level, getting a law firm as the party who witness and process the transaction and delivery might be an option. That means the law firm is the middle party and everything goes through them before going to you or the buyer but that would mean the item has to be worth alot more than the fees involved!

[RRsDJ]

Law firm? Rolexes arent their field of expertise. How would a lawyer know what youre shipping is an authentic Rolex or not?

The only way to 100% prove what you are shipping is an authentic Rolex with matching serial / model number as per the sale is ship it through a Rolex AD and have them do an appraisal before they themselves box it up and ship it for you. I highly doubt an AD wants to get involved in selling someone elses Rolex unless youre a very good customer.

[watchf]

Originally Posted by RRsDJ

Law firm? Rolexes arent their field of expertise. How would a lawyer know what youre shipping is an authentic Rolex or not?

The only way to 100% prove what you are shipping is an authentic Rolex with matching serial / model number as per the sale is ship it through a Rolex AD and have them do an appraisal before they themselves box it up and ship it for you. I highly doubt an AD wants to get involved in selling someone elses Rolex unless youre a very good customer.

You are jumping to your own conclusion as I wasn't referring to authenticity but providing possible solutions to the questions asked by the OP. You could link an AD in with a law firm if that is what you want to achieve in proportion to the price of the watch you are selling.

[RRsDJ]

Originally Posted by watchf

You are jumping to your own conclusion as I wasn't referring to authenticity but providing possible solutions to the questions asked by the OP. You could link an AD in with a law firm if that is what you want to achieve in proportion to the price of the watch you are selling.

My point was a lawyer does not specialize in Rolex watches. So they witnessed a watch being shipped or even they ship it. That doesn't prove a Rolex was shipped.

Good luck OP in however you choose to do an out of state deal. Word to the wise, don't use Paypal!


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[SPARTAN2161]

I WILL NOT DO BUSINESS WITH OUT REFERENCES. The only safe way is to buy the buyer and vice versa. If there guy is sketchy and rushing the deal, etc. its in your best interest to move on. Also if its price is too good to be true there is a reason behind it.

[watchf]

Originally Posted by RRsDJ

My point was a lawyer does not specialize in Rolex watches. So they witnessed a watch being shipped or even they ship it. That doesn't prove a Rolex was shipped.

Good luck OP in however you choose to do an out of state deal. Word to the wise, don't use Paypal!


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They are the best legal 3rd party entity to verify the process as I have done to receive high value item (watch). It does not matter if its a watch or a piece of jewellery or money, as far as verifying the item has been sent out of your hands through an indepedent party as witness with legal responsibility to the buyer is the point. No point arguing about it, as I see it if the OP stick to the basics in lowering the risk of fraud prevention it would not come to anything more complex than what was already mentioned by others and myself.

[kilyung]

Insurance and references... All you need for a good transaction.

[mjm800]

Originally Posted by bayerische

Buy the buyer.

Yup, insurance and Bank Wire Transfer.

I'm not selling to anyone without references and I'm not buying from anyone without them either.

[Runnin' Rebel]

When I bought my TT GMTc and one of our very good sellers was the escrow agent. This was a new seller, and the new seller shipped it to our finest seller on here, I sent wire transfer to him and he checked the watch for me and released the funds to the new seller. Easy Peasy, I am forever great full to the very best seller on here. He 'offered' to do this for me and the new seller.

I'll never forget his act of kindness. And the orginal seller of the GMT (gabby) has become a great seller as well now on TRF

Everyone was happy !!!

[utc66]

Originally Posted by mjclark32

Bring it to USPS and video/record packing it there in front of them, let them seal it up with tape and leave...?

I tried this once about ten years ago when shipping something of value, the UPS woman flipped out and basically refused to comply and basically kicked me out of the store. I didnt know if I was in the right or wrong so I didn't t follow up with UPS management.

[hsfrank]

There is a risk to most things in this life. Buy a car and you might get a lemon...then try to prove it. Buy a collectible and it does not turn out to be as collectible as you thought. Buy a diamonds and then find out that appraised value is not the price it can be sold for ( or replaced for that matter.) All you can do is be educated about what you buy, who you buy it from and their reputation for honesty or service. If you are selling then this is true as well. To further reduce that risk transfer it to someone else via insurance or warranty. Whether the cost of that transfer is worth it must be evaluated. The old axiom " never risk a lot for a little" holds true here as well.

[mfer]

Originally Posted by mjclark32

Bring it to USPS and video/record packing it there in front of them, let them seal it up with tape and leave...?

I'm pretty sure you can't do that. I asked to take a picture of the box before I shipped before and was told that wasn't allowed at USPS.

My answer to original post is insurance and references.

[sierra11b]

Buy the buyer. I've even acted as the middleman/courier for two people on watch purchases granted one was a friend!

I recall almost shipping a Rolex to a trusted seller via FedEx and the amount of insurance I required (over $5k iirc) required the package to be inspected by the shipper.

I wasn't comfortable with that practice being that everyone working there looked fresh out of high school so I left and shipped with USPS instead.

The practice doesn't guarantee a Rolex nor did I understand how the person inspecting the package could appraise such a piece, but it does insure that you're not sending $5000+ of packing peanuts in a small box.

I like the idea of taking a short smartphone video if it's allowed