How many winding turns on the 5164?

[AlyRba]

Hi,

How many winding turns do you do on your 5164? The manual recommends only 10 but that only starts the movement. I am assuming for a fully wound watch, 25-30 turns are needed. Any specific reason Patek only recommends 10 winding turns? Thanks.

[Preacher]

I always wound my 5167 10 times and it worked flawlessly. Then I read someone’s advice on this forum to wind it ~20+ times and I started getting poor timekeeping so went back to 10 winds. Imo just stick to what the manual says.

[sensui]

I've never had an issue with any Pateks I own from winding 30-40 times. In fact if you wind 10 times on the 5712 with a PR indicator it barely registers.. just don't excessively overwind frequently and it shouldn't be a problem.

[zahain]

Originally Posted by sensui

I've never had an issue with any Pateks I own from winding 30-40 times. In fact if you wind 10 times on the 5712 with a PR indicator it barely registers.. just don't excessively overwind frequently and it shouldn't be a problem.

I agree. If the watch is completely depleted it would be at the 40-45 range and more after depending on its PR capacity

[kneedeep]

20 on the 67 so I’d say similar on the 64.

[GB-man]

I do 30.

[bonsai-man]

I used to do 30 on my 5167, but the manual winding stopped working. It’s fixed now after service, now I only do 10.

[francoamerican]

Are you winding to keep running or to wear? I believe the manual recommends 10 as it is sufficient to start. You can't overwind an automatic of course. I believe there is theoretically more "risk" to hand winding an auto than rotor winding as well.

[Calatrava r]

I would stick to the manual and wind 10 turns. More than enough charge to get the watch running. Frequent winding of an automatic movement can, but may not, damage the automatic winding module. Automatic winding watches are actually all connected and are meant to be wound via the rotor. Interesting, the new movement in the Nautilus is specifically designed for manual and automatic winding. It has a clutch which disengages the auto module when hand winding.

[SL BRABUS]

I check the power reserve on my 5146 and it only need 19 winding turns to be full...... I do the same with my 5167....

[victoorious]

I do about 10-15 and no problems with mine.

[AlyRba]

Interesting that people are sort of split on this. I have a friend who has a 5712. 10 winding turns barely moves the needle on the power reserve. If he wears the watch after 10-15 winding turns, the wrist movement keeps the power reserve at the minimum level but doesn't increase it per se. So he always wears the watch after manually winding it to full power reserve.

Maybe 5164 is different. 30-40 winding turns shouldn't break the movement as all modern automatic movements should have a disengaging mechanism when the watch is fully wound. But the 5164 manual winding mechanism does feel a little fragile compared to few other non-Patek automatic watches that I have owned in the same or below price category.

[mimo5000]

Interesting. My 5712 is fully wound in about 20 turns.

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