Daytona 116523 hands do not have glow stuff

[cheshire]

Hello, first post. I've just bought yesterday a second hand Rolex Daytona 116523 2004 model. Bicolour, white face, 18ct. Anyway, the watch looks perfect against all the obvious checks for it being a fake and I bought it from a very reputable and long-standing watch dealer in my local town. However, I've just noticed that whilst there is the glow material for the hour markers, the hands don't have this. How is this possible? Were there many variations to the watch when it was sold. The hands it has tally with many other Daytona Hands, just I've only seen one other, out of thousands, whilst searching that have this. Should I be concerned?

[Wcdhtwn]

Pictures help

[cheshire]

here you go.

[Tools]

Originally Posted by cheshire

. . . Should I be concerned?

Should you be concerned about what ?

Usually those non-lume hands would be on a diamond, non-lume dial.

[cheshire]

some more pictures. Again, from a very reputable high-end watch and very expensive jewellery trader.

[locutus49]

Daytonas don't have great lume.

[cheshire]

look at the hands. They don't have the glow in the dark strips on them. I find that odd, but perhaps it's ok for some models or personal set-up preferences at purchase?

[cheshire]

Originally Posted by locutus49

Daytonas don't have great lume.

Yes, but to have no lume on the hands yet really good, and perfect lume on the hour markers?

[cheshire]

Originally Posted by Tools

Should you be concerned about what ?

Usually those non-lume hands would be on a diamond, non-lume dial.

Yes! That's exactly what I've seen too. On the diamond model. I've seen one other non bejewelled dial with non-lume hands in an hour of searching. I can't think why they'd be on this model? If they needed replacing because of damage etc, surely they'd just replace with lume ones?

I figured you guys might know this sort of thing?

[GolfPunk]

Your watch has probably either had a dial change from a diamond dial to non diamond dial, or the hands have been replaced from a Daytona which had a diamond dial.

[LuminousMaximus]

Can you tell be the Serial number if it is supposed to be Serti dial and it has the correct hands, or if it has the correct dial and wrong hands...?

[cheshire]

Originally Posted by LuminousMaximus

Can you tell be the Serial number if it is supposed to be Serti dial and it has the correct hands, or if it has the correct dial and wrong hands...?

Changing to mis-matched dials from the previous owner just seems odd. The watch is of Austrian provenance judging from the 128 on the perforated Guarantee

[brmeyers]

Here is a comparison betwen lume on new 2015 SS Daytona vs Smurf.
I can't imagine PM Daytonas hands would have no lume? My Smurf is a PM Sub.
But I am not sure about Daytona PM models (old and new).

smurfvsdaytona.jpg

[johneh]

Originally Posted by brmeyers

Here is a comparison betwen lume on new 2015 SS Daytona vs Smurf.
I can't imagine PM Daytonas hands would have no lume? My Smurf is a PM Sub.
But I am not sure about Daytona PM models (old and new).

Attachment 676396

It's not that PM Daytonas don't have lume, it's that diamond dial Daytonas don't have lume since the markers are diamond. Either the dial or the hands were swapped on the OP's watch.

[brmeyers]

^^OP said that the hands had no lume, but the hour markers DID.
So I vote that the hands were swapped, maybe both.
Makes no sense to have hour markers with lume, but not the hands?

[cheshire]

Originally Posted by brmeyers

^^OP said that the hands had no lume, but the hour markers DID.
So I vote that the hands were swapped, maybe both.

correct. The watch passes all the tests of authenticity but the hour markers are all original lames (and very neatly done too) but the hands don't match, so the hands must have been swapped.

Why would anyone do that? Maybe it got water damaged or some other damage. If the crystal got smashed and took the hands with it surely the watch would be dead and Rolex would replace with the right ones.

All very odd. I just wanted to check whether this was a set up that was once available or perhaps an original purchaser could request?

[dera]

Originally Posted by cheshire

correct. The watch passes all the tests of authenticity but the hour markers are all original lames (and very neatly done too) but the hands don't match, so the hands must have been swapped.


All very odd. I just wanted to check whether this was a set up that was once available or perhaps an original purchaser could request?

It's also possible the dial was swapped.

Original purchaser cannot request anything custom from Rolex, unless his name is Eric Clapton.

[cheshire]

Originally Posted by dera

It's also possible the dial was swapped.

Original purchaser cannot request anything custom from Rolex, unless his name is Eric Clapton.

Ok, I'm no Clapton.

To me, it's not right and it's only ignorance that didn't make me spot it at once as I didn't know what I was looking for. However, I only bought it on Friday so I think I'll go in tomorrow and see what they say. I imagine they won't argue that something has been changed and it's not as it should be. Maybe they can change the hands back, or maybe just refund the money. It looks all wrong when the lights are out!

[Paul_81]

Take down the serial number post and picture with it on

[dera]

Originally Posted by cheshire

Ok, I'm no Clapton.

To me, it's not right and it's only ignorance that didn't make me spot it at once as I didn't know what I was looking for. However, I only bought it on Friday so I think I'll go in tomorrow and see what they say. I imagine they won't argue that something has been changed and it's not as it should be. Maybe they can change the hands back, or maybe just refund the money. It looks all wrong when the lights are out!

To me, that is a frankenwatch. I would go and ask some questions.
You can go in asking questions confident in knowing that dial/hand combination never left the Rolex factory when it was new.

The only way I would accept that watch is if it was sent to RSC to get the hands changed with a full service on top. I would not accept anyone else opening it for a hand swap.

[ecdc]

Originally Posted by cheshire

here you go.

Maybe it's the lighting, but it looks like a rose gold bezel, yet yellow gold bracelet links, too? That's not normal. Nor are non-lume hands if the 2-tone watch was stock.

[johneh]

Originally Posted by brmeyers

^^OP said that the hands had no lume, but the hour markers DID.
So I vote that the hands were swapped, maybe both.
Makes no sense to have hour markers with lume, but not the hands?

Either someone else with a diamond dial wanted lumed hands and got them swapped from this watch, or this watch had a diamond dial and that got swapped out. It could go either way.

[cheshire]

Originally Posted by ecdc

Maybe it's the lighting, but it looks like a rose good bezel, yet yellow gold bracelet links, too? That's not normal. Nor are non-lume hands if the 2-tone watch was stock.

That's just the lighting. The metals match well.

[rollee1]

The hands does not look right, I think they have been swapped.
Did OP get an answer?

[Old Geezer]

Good luck resolving the situation to your satisfaction. My uneducated guess is that the diamond dial was taken out and a lower cost non-diamond dial swapped in. Probably by the previous owner and maybe the reseller didn't notice or bought the piece cheaply.
If I were you, I would want it right if I were to keep it.

[ragingcao]

That ain't right. Hope you get it resolved and keep us posted. Good luck.

[greggsiam]

So, what did they say?

[waisoserious]

My Daytona has pretty good lume imo. My ROC on the other hand, i originally thought it had no lume at all. It wasnt until after 2 weeks of ownership that i saw slight lume before I realized it had very poor lume.

[nick c]

My A series zenith