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Solidarity · 14 July 2011, 06:43 AM

Well I am going to pick up the watch today after water got into the case. Supposedly the jeweler took it apart and oiled/cleaned everything and then pressure tested the watch. They determined the reason it leaked was because I didnt screw the crown down fully.

Now from reading on here I learned that there are three gaskets, two of which are independent from the crown. So technically it could be fully extended and still be watertight?

Does anybody have any literature that notes this so I can prove him wrong.

mjm800 · 14 July 2011, 06:46 AM

What model watch was it? I'm not 100% sure but I think that not all models have the triple lock crown. I think only Subs, Sea Dwellers and SDDS have it.

Solidarity · 14 July 2011, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mjm800

What model watch was it not all models have the triple lock crown. I think only Subs, Sea Dwellers and SDDS have it.

GMTi

The Joker · 14 July 2011, 06:50 AM

If that true what's the point in having a screw down crown then?

Solidarity · 14 July 2011, 06:51 AM

Extra protection I assume?

Don't flame me too much... I am still learning

Solidarity · 14 July 2011, 06:54 AM

Tools posted this in my other thread:

" Leaving the crown unscrewed will do nothing and will not allow the water to escape... The stem is completely watertight whether the crown is screwed down or not as long as those gaskets are sound... Frequently the main problem gasket is the one that seals the crystal to the case."

Oyster1982 · 14 July 2011, 06:58 AM

As long as the crown is flush with the case you have screwed it down enough. After adjusting the time I finger tighten my crown until it is flush with the case, this jeweler seems like a "ganif"(Yiddish for crook)

Solidarity · 14 July 2011, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Oyster1982

As long as the crown is flush with the case you have screwed it down enough. After adjusting the time I finger tighten my crown until it is flush with the case, this jeweler seems like a "ganif"(Yiddish for crook)

SUCHA DEAL!

I feel like he is trying to cover his ass by not admitting they didnt replace a bad gasket or the crystal gasket was at fault. They aren't charging me so its not a big deal. I just can't wait to see what Rolex says when they check the watch out.

The Joker · 14 July 2011, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Solidarity

Extra protection I assume?

Don't flame me too much... I am still learning

I'm not flaming, I don't know the answer either. I just presumed it had to be screwed down to be watertight?

rad87gn · 14 July 2011, 07:03 AM

The jeweler knows exactly what was wrong and I'd imagine he was just using the "crown not screwed down" as a way to make you think it wasn't fault with the watch to begin with.

Solidarity · 14 July 2011, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by rad87gn

The jeweler knows exactly what was wrong and I'd imagine he was just using the "crown not screwed down" as a way to make you think it wasn't fault with the watch to begin with.

Thats exactly what I was thinking when he said it to me. I would love to shove it right up his ass when I go to pick it up. Thats why I am looking to see if there are any documents which state this.

rolexpawn · 14 July 2011, 07:05 AM

The gasket on the stem prevents water from entering the case just in case you leave it unscrewed. You should have it pressured tested with the crown unscrewed to see if the stem gasket has failed.

landroverking · 14 July 2011, 07:08 AM

Find a new watch maker.

Oyster1982 · 14 July 2011, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solidarity

SUCHA DEAL!

I feel like he is trying to cover his ass by not admitting they didnt replace a bad gasket or the crystal gasket was at fault. They aren't charging me so its not a big deal. I just can't wait to see what Rolex says when they check the watch out.

I know you live in NYC, I have a Rolex watchmaker in Sea Girt, NJ who works at an AD that can look at it for you. He does full Rolex overhuals right in the store. Its Ballew Jewelers on State HWY 35 in Sea Girt, NJ, they also have a store in Freehold Boro, NJ.

The Joker · 14 July 2011, 07:13 AM

My DJ manual says

Watertightness
One of the main reasons for the success and renown of the Oyster is the exceptional quality of its water proofing. This is largely due to the ingenious, Rolex-developed winding crown the Twinlock. This device provides double protection against water and dust by screwing tightly into the case as securely as the hatch of a submarine. There is no way that dust, dirt or water can penetrate.

Also says

Position 0
Crown fully screwed-down. When the crown is in this position, the Datejust chromometer is waterproof to a depth of 100m (330ft) and is ready to wear.

My guess is if you left the submarine hatch open you could be in trouble.

Solidarity · 14 July 2011, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Oyster1982

I know you live in NYC, I have a Rolex watchmaker in Sea Girt, NJ who works at an AD that can look at it for you. He does full Rolex overhuals right in the store. Its Ballew Jewelers on State HWY 35 in Sea Girt, NJ, they also have a store in Freehold Boro, NJ.

I was going to drop it off at Rolex tomorrow before I go to work. And after the service it they will give me a warranty that is actually worth something unlike this current one...

Oyster1982 · 14 July 2011, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Solidarity

I was going to drop it off at Rolex tomorrow before I go to work. And after the service it they will give me a warranty that is actually worth something unlike this current one...

You would get a warranty with the watchmaker as well, they are a Authorized Rolex Dealer. I feel weird giving my watch over to RSC it feels very impersonal, I like to develop a relationship with my watchmaker.

Solidarity · 14 July 2011, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Joker

My DJ manual says

Watertightness
One of the main reasons for the success and renown of the Oyster is the exceptional quality of its water proofing. This is largely due to the ingenious, Rolex-developed winding crown the Twinlock. This device provides double protection against water and dust by screwing tightly into the case as securely as the hatch of a submarine. There is no way that dust, dirt or water can penetrate.

Also says

Position 0
Crown fully screwed-down. When the crown is in this position, the Datejust chromometer is waterproof to a depth of 100m (330ft) and is ready to wear.

My guess is if you left the submarine hatch open you could be in trouble.

Sweet.

I actually had a hard time unscrewing the crown to stop the movement because I screwed it down so hard (maybe I overtightened it??)

rolexpawn · 14 July 2011, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Joker

My DJ manual says

Watertightness
One of the main reasons for the success and renown of the Oyster is the exceptional quality of its water proofing. This is largely due to the ingenious, Rolex-developed winding crown the Twinlock. This device provides double protection against water and dust by screwing tightly into the case as securely as the hatch of a submarine. There is no way that dust, dirt or water can penetrate.

Also says

Position 0
Crown fully screwed-down. When the crown is in this position, the Datejust chromometer is waterproof to a depth of 100m (330ft) and is ready to wear.

I guess is if you left the submarine hatch open you could be in trouble.

The DateJust is not a Triplock Crown, the GMT II is a Triplock Crown.

RJK · 14 July 2011, 07:21 AM

The crown unscrewed will still keep water out to a point...like in a pool, showering or very shallow diving.

I'm pretty sure any pressure beyond that will allow water into the case. Those gaskets all work in conjunction with each other, and the crown being screwed down is part of the whole system. Any part will work to a point, but not nearly as effectively as all of them together.

To the OP's post, others have already said it, but the jeweler sounds like an a$$. I saw exactly what you're looking for a while back but cannot find it for the life of me. I'll keep looking, but hopefully someone will beat me to it.

Good luck

Oyster1982 · 14 July 2011, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexpawn

The DateJust is not a Triplock Crown, the GMT II is a Triplock Crown.

The GMT II is only a twinlock, I confirmed it with the watchmaker at my local AD.

The Joker · 14 July 2011, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexpawn

The DateJust is not a Triplock Crown, the GMT II is a Triplock Crown.

I don't know the difference?

Solidarity · 14 July 2011, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RJK

The crown unscrewed will still keep water out to a point...like in a pool, showering or very shallow diving.

I'm pretty sure any pressure beyond that will allow water into the case. Those gaskets all work in conjunction with each other, and the crown being screwed down is part of the whole system. Any part will work to a point, but not nearly as effectively as all of them together.

To the OP's post, others have already said it, but the jeweler sounds like an a$$. I saw exactly what you're looking for a while back but cannot find it for the life of me. I'll keep looking, but hopefully someone will beat me to it.

Good luck

I was only 15' down for about 2 hours. I consider diving to be 40' to 100' down.

Oyster1982 · 14 July 2011, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by The Joker

I don't know the difference?

The twinlock has a gasket inside the stem and in the crown, the Triplock has an additional gasket around the outside of the stem.

The Joker · 14 July 2011, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Oyster1982

The twinlock has a gasket inside the stem and in the crown, the Triplock has an additional gasket around the outside of the stem.

Thanks, so obviously I'm guessing triplock is better and gives a better rating. i.e 300m?

Oyster1982 · 14 July 2011, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by The Joker

Thanks, so obviously I'm guessing triplock is better and gives a better rating. i.e 300m?

Yep, and when you add a helium escape valve on the side of the case and you get a 3900 ft rating, and if you add a titanuim screw on back, and the ring lock system with a 44mm case you get the DSSD at 12,800 ft.

The Joker · 14 July 2011, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Oyster1982

Yep, and when you add a helium escape valve on the side of the case and you get a 3900 ft rating, and if you add a titanuim screw on back, and the ring lock system with a 44mm case you get the DSSD at 12,800 ft.

rolexpawn · 14 July 2011, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by The Joker

Thanks, so obviously I'm guessing triplock is better and gives a better rating. i.e 300m?

The Triplock has a better rating for watches like the Submariner.

I read somewhere the GMTII was a Triplock, so that may be the new GMTII and not the older ones sorry about that.

keir · 14 July 2011, 07:40 AM

please could someone tell me,what rolex would you buy for your first one.im really intrested in the submariner,any feedback would be well welcome thanks

Megalobyte · 14 July 2011, 07:41 AM

I'm pretty sure all GMT's had a twinlock, except the new GMT2C which has a triplock. What makes the Sub C 3x as water resistant is the thicker case back.

14 July 2011, 06:43 AM	#1
Solidarity "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NYC Watch: GMT 16700, DSSD Posts: 181	Jeweler trying to pull a fast one on me... Well I am going to pick up the watch today after water got into the case. Supposedly the jeweler took it apart and oiled/cleaned everything and then pressure tested the watch. They determined the reason it leaked was because I didnt screw the crown down fully. Now from reading on here I learned that there are three gaskets, two of which are independent from the crown. So technically it could be fully extended and still be watertight? Does anybody have any literature that notes this so I can prove him wrong.

14 July 2011, 06:46 AM	#2
mjm800 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: USA Posts: 1,950	What model watch was it? I'm not 100% sure but I think that not all models have the triple lock crown. I think only Subs, Sea Dwellers and SDDS have it. __________________

14 July 2011, 06:58 AM	#7
Oyster1982 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Ed Location: Jersey Shore Watch: Rolex DJ Posts: 1,905	As long as the crown is flush with the case you have screwed it down enough. After adjusting the time I finger tighten my crown until it is flush with the case, this jeweler seems like a "ganif"(Yiddish for crook) __________________ It 10pm do you know where your Datejust is? http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/...DA0MC5qcGc.jpg

14 July 2011, 07:03 AM	#10
rad87gn "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Chad Location: Des Moines, Iowa Watch: Rolex, PAM, Omega Posts: 1,607	The jeweler knows exactly what was wrong and I'd imagine he was just using the "crown not screwed down" as a way to make you think it wasn't fault with the watch to begin with. __________________ Rolex P-Series SS GMT II Black, Rolex Y-Series Sea-Dweller, Rolex F-Series TT Blue Sub, Rolex F-Series Sub LV, Rolex D-Series Ladies SS/WG DJ for wife, Panerai K-Series PAM 112, Omega Speedmaster Pro 3570.50, Omega Seamaster 300M Chrono 2594.52

14 July 2011, 07:21 AM	#20
RJK "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Rob Location: NCR Watch: Out for that tree! Posts: 285	The crown unscrewed will still keep water out to a point...like in a pool, showering or very shallow diving. I'm pretty sure any pressure beyond that will allow water into the case. Those gaskets all work in conjunction with each other, and the crown being screwed down is part of the whole system. Any part will work to a point, but not nearly as effectively as all of them together. To the OP's post, others have already said it, but the jeweler sounds like an a$$. I saw exactly what you're looking for a while back but cannot find it for the life of me. I'll keep looking, but hopefully someone will beat me to it. Good luck __________________ "The body will never go where the mind has never been" Rolex SD 126600, Seiko Golden Tuna SBBN 040, PAM 579, JLC Master Compressor Diving Chrono GMT NS in Yellow, DSSD, Sinn U1000S, Doxa T-Graph, Doxa 750 Caribbean, PAM 190 "8-Days", PAM 162,TT DJ (Left to me by Dad)

14 July 2011, 06:50 AM	#4
The Joker "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Gotham Posts: 9,634	If that true what's the point in having a screw down crown then?

14 July 2011, 06:51 AM	#5
Solidarity "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NYC Watch: GMT 16700, DSSD Posts: 181	Extra protection I assume? Don't flame me too much... I am still learning

14 July 2011, 06:54 AM	#6
Solidarity "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NYC Watch: GMT 16700, DSSD Posts: 181	Tools posted this in my other thread: " Leaving the crown unscrewed will do nothing and will not allow the water to escape... The stem is completely watertight whether the crown is screwed down or not as long as those gaskets are sound... Frequently the main problem gasket is the one that seals the crystal to the case."

14 July 2011, 07:05 AM	#12
rolexpawn Banned Join Date: Jun 2011 Real Name: Chester Location: Bolton UK Watch: my Rolex(s) Posts: 479	The gasket on the stem prevents water from entering the case just in case you leave it unscrewed. You should have it pressured tested with the crown unscrewed to see if the stem gasket has failed.

14 July 2011, 07:08 AM	#13
landroverking "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Jay Location: TEXAS Watch: Daytona Posts: 7,648	Find a new watch maker.

14 July 2011, 07:13 AM	#15
The Joker "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Gotham Posts: 9,634	My DJ manual says Watertightness One of the main reasons for the success and renown of the Oyster is the exceptional quality of its water proofing. This is largely due to the ingenious, Rolex-developed winding crown the Twinlock. This device provides double protection against water and dust by screwing tightly into the case as securely as the hatch of a submarine. There is no way that dust, dirt or water can penetrate. Also says Position 0 Crown fully screwed-down. When the crown is in this position, the Datejust chromometer is waterproof to a depth of 100m (330ft) and is ready to wear. My guess is if you left the submarine hatch open you could be in trouble.

14 July 2011, 07:40 AM	#29
keir "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Real Name: keir Location: United Kingdom Watch: armarni Posts: 1	please could someone tell me,what rolex would you buy for your first one.im really intrested in the submariner,any feedback would be well welcome thanks

14 July 2011, 07:41 AM	#30
Megalobyte "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Real Name: Ari Location: Florida Watch: ...me go broke Posts: 2,428	I'm pretty sure all GMT's had a twinlock, except the new GMT2C which has a triplock. What makes the Sub C 3x as water resistant is the thicker case back.

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