Jeweler trying to pull a fast one on me...

[The Joker]

Originally Posted by keir

please could someone tell me,what rolex would you buy for your first one.im really intrested in the submariner,any feedback would be well welcome thanks

Hi Keir, I'm not a Mod here or anything, but you might have better luck starting your own new thread.

[Solidarity]

Originally Posted by The Joker

Hi Keir, I'm not a Mod here or anything, but you might have better luck starting your own new thread.

back on topic... now i will regret not getting a sub since i wanted to take the watch diving. technically the GMT is good to 300 feet but it seems that the third seal really would make a big difference at depths. maybe i am just being paranoid?

btw, i dont remember if i mentioned it in my original post but i double checked the crown was screwed down before i went into the pool.

[Oyster1982]

Originally Posted by Solidarity

back on topic... now i will regret not getting a sub since i wanted to take the watch diving. technically the GMT is good to 300 feet but it seems that the third seal really would make a big difference at depths. maybe i am just being paranoid?

btw, i dont remember if i mentioned it in my original post but i double checked the crown was screwed down before i went into the pool.

If you double checked the crown than you are not at fault that water got in. You were told that the watch was pressure tested, I swim and go down about 10 ft while wearing a Datejust with new seals. Anytime I go into water with my watch I grab my crown and make sure its screwed on all the way.

[Solidarity]

Originally Posted by Oyster1982

If you double checked the crown than you are not at fault that water got in. You were told that the watch was pressure tested, I swim and go down about 10 ft while wearing a Datejust with new seals. Anytime I go into water with my watch I grab my crown and make sure its screwed on all the way.

I tightened it so much i had a hard time unscrewing it!

[rolexpawn]

Originally Posted by Solidarity

I tightened it so much i had a hard time unscrewing it!

You are only suppose to finger tight it, you will strip out the threads on the crown or crown tube if you over tighten it. On my Sub I finger tight it and it is sealed up with no problem. The gasket is inside the crown and it should do just fine.

[cedargrove]

It sounds like you had the crown screwed down which is a good idea for even 15 feet. There would be no difference between the twin lock and trip lock at this point if either was screwed down. Sounds like your AD is definitely pulling a fast one.

[dddrees]

Finger tight is all that is required in regards to the crown. Even if the crown was not screwed down you should get a good measure of water proofness as long as your seals are in good working condition, however I don't think I would recomend leaving the crown out.

Since your sending it to Rolex you should have a complete answer soon. It's entirely possible the person you are talking to now doesn't really know what they are talking about.

[Tools]

There are two seals in a Twinlock. That's why it's called a "twinlock"..

Early Subs were equipped with the Twinlock... The crown and stem is not usually the main culprit when a watch leaks because both seals must fail..

Here is where your Twinlock seals are...




Here is where the Triplock seals are:

[Solidarity]

Awesome replies! Special thanks to Tools

[Brenngun]

I thought you said this guy was a friend of yours. Sound like you need new friends ......

[Solidarity]

Originally Posted by Brenngun

I thought you said this guy was a friend of yours. Sound like you need new friends ......

I gave him so much shit when I went to go pick it up. He admitted they changed the gaskets and didn't charge him for the service.

I am still going to Rolex tomorrow to have them work their magic.

[chestercopperpot]

...rough...i hate when people do this :(

[Runnin' Rebel]

I droped my GMT II into a full sink of water a few months ago with the crown all the way out, still works like a champ. My 2001 model.

[Solidarity]

Originally Posted by JAGERVEGAS

I droped my GMT II into a full sink of water a few months ago with the crown all the way out, still works like a champ. My 2001 model.

How did you manage to do that???

[Watch Professor]

The GMT IIC has a triplock.

[kokota]

Maybe this will help.
Here's the twinlock on your GMT...



Here's a triplock for comparison....

[GOB]

I know that the question arose for a GMT, but Subs, SDs, and Datejusts have been included too. Anyone know if the Daytona uses a Twinlock or Triplelock (on both the crown and pushers)?

[padi56]

Originally Posted by The Joker

My DJ manual says

Watertightness
One of the main reasons for the success and renown of the Oyster is the exceptional quality of its water proofing. This is largely due to the ingenious, Rolex-developed winding crown the Twinlock.

Well not quite true it was around 1925 when Hans Wilsdorf of Rolex watch company, heard that two watchmakers Paul Perregaux and George Pelleot,had taken out a Swiss patent for a twin lock crown screwed stem system .Now Hans Wilsdorf of Rolex grasped that a hermetically sealed case, together with careful fitting of the crystal and this special stem mechanism, would produce a better water proof wristwatch.So he quickly negotiated to have the Perregaux/Pelleot patent assigned to him,then Wilsdorf obtained a British patent on October 18 1926.A few months later the Rolex Oyster was born and became a commercial success.. And In 1927, a lady stenographer Mercedes Gleitze, swam the English Channel with the unheard of accompaniment of a wristwatch on her person.It was a Rolex Oyster wristwatch with the acquired patent twin lock screw crown system.

[Oyster1982]

Originally Posted by padi56

Well not quite true it was around 1925 when Hans Wilsdorf of Rolex watch company, heard that two watchmakers Paul Perregaux and George Pelleot,had taken out a Swiss patent for a twin lock crown screwed stem system .Now Hans Wilsdorf of Rolex grasped that a hermetically sealed case, together with careful fitting of the crystal and this special stem mechanism, would produce a better water proof wristwatch.So he quickly negotiated to have the Perregaux/Pelleot patent assigned to him,then Wilsdorf obtained a British patent on October 18 1926.A few months later the Rolex Oyster was born and became a commercial success.. And In 1927, a lady stenographer Mercedes Gleitze, swam the English Channel with the unheard of accompaniment of a wristwatch on her person.It was a Rolex Oyster wristwatch with the acquired patent twin lock screw crown system.

Thanks to that Twin lock system I know what time it is in the shower.

[Solidarity]

Originally Posted by Oyster1982

Thanks to that Twin lock system I know what time it is in the shower.

Or 300 feet under the sea... when your brain is mush from the pressure

[Oyster1982]

my brain is already turing to mush and i m above water.

[kokota]

Originally Posted by GOB

I know that the question arose for a GMT, but Subs, SDs, and Datejusts have been included too. Anyone know if the Daytona uses a Twinlock or Triplelock (on both the crown and pushers)?

The winding crown on the current Daytona is definitely a triplock.
I don't think the same goes for the pushers.

The Daytona pusher is the second from the left...

[2th Dr]

Originally Posted by The Joker

My DJ manual says

Watertightness
One of the main reasons for the success and renown of the Oyster is the exceptional quality of its water proofing. This is largely due to the ingenious, Rolex-developed winding crown the Twinlock. This device provides double protection against water and dust by screwing tightly into the case as securely as the hatch of a submarine. There is no way that dust, dirt or water can penetrate.

Also says

Position 0
Crown fully screwed-down. When the crown is in this position, the Datejust chromometer is waterproof to a depth of 100m (330ft) and is ready to wear.

My guess is if you left the submarine hatch open you could be in trouble.

Your DJ is a twin lock, meaning you can have the crown unscrewed and the watch would still be water-proof to some degree. The triple locks even more so.

[rolexertion]

The jeweller is a lying sack of sh!t. Don't even think about letting that shmendrek touch your watch again. A gonif, a khazer, trinkn zoln im piavkes. Take your watch only to RSC, trust me on this.

[2th Dr]

Originally Posted by Oyster1982

The GMT II is only a twinlock, I confirmed it with the watchmaker at my local AD.

The GMT IIc is a triple lock.

[Oyster1982]

Originally Posted by 2th DR

The GMT IIc is a triple lock.

Thats intresting maybe the AD near me doesnt know that particular feature of the GMT IIc

[padi56]

Originally Posted by rolexpawn

You are only suppose to finger tight it, you will strip out the threads on the crown or crown tube if you over tighten it. On my Sub I finger tight it and it is sealed up with no problem. The gasket is inside the crown and it should do just fine.

I would doubt if you would strip the threads,but most certainly you could damage the seal in the winding crown.You cannot get a watertight seal metal to metal contact thats whats the crown seal is for.

[Flyjet601]

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[Newportkrieger]

Originally Posted by Solidarity

Thats exactly what I was thinking when he said it to me. I would love to shove it right up his ass when I go to pick it up. Thats why I am looking to see if there are any documents which state this.

I would not do or say much until you know that the watch has been correctly repaired from any short and LONG TERM effects of the water damage. Pissing him off only to find that Rolex tells you he didnt do the job right will only make final resolution more difficult.

A guarantee is only as good as the person or company making it and requires that they WANT to fulfill their obligations. Dont "blow up" that bridge until you know you will not need to cross it again.

[Newportkrieger]

Originally Posted by rolexertion

The jeweller is a lying sack of sh!t. Don't even think about letting that shmendrek touch your watch again. A gonif, a khazer, trinkn zoln im piavkes. Take your watch only to RSC, trust me on this.