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GsurgBM · 2 November 2016, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by omitohud

If u r anal, technically only y serial is the true anniversary. It's the 50th anniversary not 51st.

I blame it on the autoconnect.

Disagree. Some Early Fs were also produced and have papers dated 2003. The anniversary year.

mtgjr · 2 November 2016, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by rodo

yeah as Wisguy said, some of the early ones have the oval O.

IMO it's the most beautiful sub ever. The contrast between the green bezel and blue dial is stunning

Blue dial??

omitohud · 2 November 2016, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GsurgBM

Disagree. Some Early Fs were also produced and have papers dated 2003. The anniversary year.

I stand corrected. Rolex did produce F serial dated 2003. If that's the case, Y serial is really rare then since Rolex start selling them in September if I remember correctly.

I blame it on the autoconnect.

wuyeah · 2 November 2016, 05:01 PM

Because it is an "50th Anniversary" model. To collector or logical sense, only the initial release year is the "actual" or "true" anniversary year. Years after will be 51st, 52nd, 53rd...year then doesn't feel as sentimental for true collector. True collector cares every single details that matter to them.

donut · 2 November 2016, 06:03 PM

11610LV'd been produced between 2003-2010 (approx.)
The "Y" and early "F" series with "Flat 4" on the lighter-green bezel are being sold in huge premium nowadays because some collectors perceive that these are true 50th anniversary of Rolex submariner. However, the "M and "V" series are quite collectible as well, at least in Thailand. These two series were engraved the word "Rolex" and their "serial number" around the dial, which made them different from other series.

Johny · 3 November 2016, 10:32 PM

some have the serial number on both the rehaut and between the lugs.

spooner1 · 8 December 2016, 03:37 AM

Maybe not that desirable....with rehaut but I like it very much.

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rollee1 · 8 December 2016, 06:20 AM

Great thread.
To talk things apart, the early Y and F comes with a light green Rolex paper tissue.

I'm a fan of flat 4 bezel, but will be happy with any serial as I plan to wear it as a daily.
Couldn't care less for cosmetics, papers, box and those bits, as long as it's clean and accurate.
A watch is meant to be worn, the road is long and life is short.

stylinleems · 8 December 2016, 08:42 AM

The Kermit is one of my favourite watches and I'm lucky to have found one at a great price again after regretting selling mine couple years back. The maxi dial and green bezel does fit well with this reference 16610. There has been V-serials and random floating around but it appears as they are getting harder to locate for a good price as the near mint ones are requesting a pretty penny nowadays. My V-serial below.

jakerusty · 8 December 2016, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirt

Not a stupid question at all.

This has to be seen in context.

The model (Kermit sub) was brought out to commemorate the 50 anniversary of the first Submariner.

The earliest examples are generally deemed to be the absolute truest to form of the model.

Disregarding dial variations, a few key distinguishing features of the earliest/truest of the model and package are as follows.

1, A "flat 4" on the green rotating bezel insert.

2, No engraving on the Rehaut.

3, The traditional Rolex anchor was in the box.

The later versions of the model do not have these qualities and by extension the market doesn't value then as highly.

I have a Y (purchased new) and did not have the flat 4 on bezel.

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Afghanvet · 8 December 2016, 11:23 AM

I dunno... but do know I love all the LV's!

Watchgeek5000 · 8 December 2016, 11:35 AM

I remember seeing a photo of the watch before it was available and the example in the picture had lug holes! Don't know if that watch really existed?

speedmaster73 · 8 December 2016, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by wuyeah

Because it is an "50th Anniversary" model. To collector or logical sense, only the initial release year is the "actual" or "true" anniversary year. Years after will be 51st, 52nd, 53rd...year then doesn't feel as sentimental for true collector. True collector cares every single details that matter to them.

this is all a big myth.....the 16610LV was to 'commemorate' 50 years of Rolex submariner......

any serial # of the 16610LV is a 50th anniversary.....no such thing as a true 50th....

sure some collectors want the y or f serial and thats their preference....but it's the exact same watch as the M serial.....

personally i would prefer the random serial 16610LV as this one is just as rare as the y serial if not more......

speedmaster73 · 8 December 2016, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Watchgeek5000

I remember seeing a photo of the watch before it was available and the example in the picture had lug holes! Don't know if that watch really existed?

never existed

speedmaster73 · 8 December 2016, 01:50 PM

not that it matters but the porsche 911 was first built in 1963......ironically porsche released the 50th anniversary model as a 2014 model....51 years after....

point is....its not the actual year one is built or sold.....its THE MODEL

a 16610LV is a 16610LV no matter how anyone attempts to spin it.....collectors are entitled to have a serial preference but as far as Rolex is concerned their is no TRUE 50th serial #

SMD · 8 December 2016, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GsurgBM

Disagree. Some Early Fs were also produced and have papers dated 2003. The anniversary year.

Agreed. Mine is an F02 serial with 2003 papers.

shou.biao.kuang · 13 December 2016, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Soultime

I had a very early Y serial, which got stolen. It was my first Rolex.
Having noted how the price has jumped in the years since it was stolen, and done a bit of research - I now realise it was a VERY early model and would have been a good investment.

I have still got the papers for it.....

Hope you can find it back...

Sam

shou.biao.kuang · 13 December 2016, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jakerusty

I have a Y (purchased new) and did not have the flat 4 on bezel.

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Care to share more details, eg it is a Y9? date of purchase and country would be great. Of course, if you have a picture to show us :)

shou.biao.kuang · 13 December 2016, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Johny

hi op. I think that production ceased around 2010. the final serials were G and random.

after V, it was the random serial.

Johny · 13 December 2016, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by shou.biao.kuang

after V, it was the random serial.

There are G serials. they have been posted on here.

rodo · 13 December 2016, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mtgjr

Blue dial??

My bad, black. I blame it on my iphone keyboard

shou.biao.kuang · 14 December 2016, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by omitohud

Almost traded this for a hulk. Glad I hold off. 09/02 on the paper. One of the earliest production.

I blame it on the autoconnect.

Hi, nice piece you have. Is it a Y serial? what do you mean by 09/02?

thanks

shou.biao.kuang · 14 December 2016, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Johny

There are G serials. they have been posted on here.

Oh really? LOL then my bad...

Blackdog · 14 December 2016, 02:26 AM

I remember that back in it's day people were expecting this to be a limited edition. Just the Anniversary year, maybe just the following one...

But that didn't happen. Rolex kept making them until the demise of the 5-digit Subs.

So, in lack of a real "limited edition Anniversary" model, people are assigning a higher value to the very early ones.

In the end they're worth whatever people are willing to pay for them.

Me, I would be just as happy with a later version.

Johny · 14 December 2016, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by shou.biao.kuang

Oh really? LOL then my bad...

yes really.

Yogi20 · 14 December 2016, 04:12 AM

Never liked the LV, its grown on me a lot over the last year so much I might make it my next Rolex

hymanjt · 14 December 2016, 07:41 AM

on the subject of the 16610lv, I popped a genuine black bezel insert in mine and love the maxi dial with the black and green, kind of 2 watches in one was my idea....until I lost the green insert, I have an engraved rehaut m serial in mint condition and would be so thankful if someone could point me in the direction of a genuine green insert as I will not put a cheap am insert in. The green insert will have my collection complete as I have a subc date on the way to go with my batman, ss black dial daytona, kermit(kind of, need the green bezel insert) and millgauss z-blue.
Please help on the insert.

Gaijin · 14 December 2016, 10:35 AM

The RSC will sell you one for a couple hundred bucks if you can prove that it is an LV. Papers/warranty card and serial number should suffice.

newsboy · 14 December 2016, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omitohud

If u r anal, technically only y serial is the true anniversary. It's the 50th anniversary not 51st.

I blame it on the autoconnect.

Technically incorrect some F serial watches where dated 2003

shou.biao.kuang · 15 December 2016, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Johny

yes really.

Not being confrontation John but possible to direct me to one with G-serial, either FS or just a post? I am doing a bit of research into this model so any info would help. thanks

Sam

3 November 2016, 10:32 PM	#36
Johny "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: john Location: Scotland Watch: sub 16610Lv Posts: 13,523	some have the serial number on both the rehaut and between the lugs. __________________ "AFTER DARK" BAR AND NIGHT CLUB GM.

8 December 2016, 06:20 AM	#38
rollee1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Real Name: Rollee Location: Boston Watch: it watching me Posts: 1,945	Great thread. To talk things apart, the early Y and F comes with a light green Rolex paper tissue. I'm a fan of flat 4 bezel, but will be happy with any serial as I plan to wear it as a daily. Couldn't care less for cosmetics, papers, box and those bits, as long as it's clean and accurate. A watch is meant to be worn, the road is long and life is short. __________________ Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted

8 December 2016, 11:23 AM	#41
Afghanvet "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Virginia Watch: Subs, SD4K Posts: 2,272	I dunno... but do know I love all the LV's! __________________ Subaholics Anonymous

2 November 2016, 05:01 PM	#34
wuyeah "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: NYC Posts: 952	Because it is an "50th Anniversary" model. To collector or logical sense, only the initial release year is the "actual" or "true" anniversary year. Years after will be 51st, 52nd, 53rd...year then doesn't feel as sentimental for true collector. True collector cares every single details that matter to them.

2 November 2016, 06:03 PM	#35
donut "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Real Name: Jerry Location: Unseen Thailand Watch: LN/LV/BLNR Posts: 543	11610LV'd been produced between 2003-2010 (approx.) The "Y" and early "F" series with "Flat 4" on the lighter-green bezel are being sold in huge premium nowadays because some collectors perceive that these are true 50th anniversary of Rolex submariner. However, the "M and "V" series are quite collectible as well, at least in Thailand. These two series were engraved the word "Rolex" and their "serial number" around the dial, which made them different from other series.

8 December 2016, 03:37 AM	#37
spooner1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 59	Maybe not that desirable....with rehaut but I like it very much. Verstuurd vanaf mijn SM-G920F met Tapatalk

8 December 2016, 08:42 AM	#39
stylinleems 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 X2 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: N/A Posts: 3,179	The Kermit is one of my favourite watches and I'm lucky to have found one at a great price again after regretting selling mine couple years back. The maxi dial and green bezel does fit well with this reference 16610. There has been V-serials and random floating around but it appears as they are getting harder to locate for a good price as the near mint ones are requesting a pretty penny nowadays. My V-serial below.

8 December 2016, 11:35 AM	#42
Watchgeek5000 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Brooklyn USA Watch: Daytona Posts: 1,622	I remember seeing a photo of the watch before it was available and the example in the picture had lug holes! Don't know if that watch really existed?

8 December 2016, 01:50 PM	#45
speedmaster73 Banned Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Canada Posts: 1,231	not that it matters but the porsche 911 was first built in 1963......ironically porsche released the 50th anniversary model as a 2014 model....51 years after.... point is....its not the actual year one is built or sold.....its THE MODEL a 16610LV is a 16610LV no matter how anyone attempts to spin it.....collectors are entitled to have a serial preference but as far as Rolex is concerned their is no TRUE 50th serial #

14 December 2016, 02:26 AM	#54
Blackdog "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 629	I remember that back in it's day people were expecting this to be a limited edition. Just the Anniversary year, maybe just the following one... But that didn't happen. Rolex kept making them until the demise of the 5-digit Subs. So, in lack of a real "limited edition Anniversary" model, people are assigning a higher value to the very early ones. In the end they're worth whatever people are willing to pay for them. Me, I would be just as happy with a later version.

14 December 2016, 04:12 AM	#56
Yogi20 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Real Name: Carl Location: Nottingham Watch: Bi metal Sub Blue Posts: 222	Never liked the LV, its grown on me a lot over the last year so much I might make it my next Rolex

14 December 2016, 07:41 AM	#57
hymanjt "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Richmond, Va Posts: 138	on the subject of the 16610lv, I popped a genuine black bezel insert in mine and love the maxi dial with the black and green, kind of 2 watches in one was my idea....until I lost the green insert, I have an engraved rehaut m serial in mint condition and would be so thankful if someone could point me in the direction of a genuine green insert as I will not put a cheap am insert in. The green insert will have my collection complete as I have a subc date on the way to go with my batman, ss black dial daytona, kermit(kind of, need the green bezel insert) and millgauss z-blue. Please help on the insert.

14 December 2016, 10:35 AM	#58
Gaijin 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Japan Watch: ing your back. Posts: 16,180	The RSC will sell you one for a couple hundred bucks if you can prove that it is an LV. Papers/warranty card and serial number should suffice.

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