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Old 20 December 2017, 01:29 AM   #31
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On Dec 16th he sent me an image of a chase Wire transfer sending the money back to me. There's a transaction number that is attached to it. The wire is coming from a different bank than I originally wired the money to. It should have hit my account Monday morning, but it hasn't.
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Old 20 December 2017, 01:30 AM   #32
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Doesnt sound good, I feel your pain. I hope there's a reasonable answer and it gets worked out for you.
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Old 20 December 2017, 01:33 AM   #33
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Really sorry to read this, Seller and both of his references post history is very suspicious , Short replies like , Nice, Congrats etc.

When you contacted him the first time , did he ask where are you located?And if you have references?

Did he sent you email references?

A scammer have been responding this way for a while using different usernames,check the watch out section.

Hope you can get you $ back.
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Old 20 December 2017, 01:34 AM   #34
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I see a lot of sales with payment bank transfer only, it gives little protection for the buyer there’s a lot of trust on the buyer side and very little protection regarding non deliveries. Lucky for me the seller was a gentleman (dickyb). Do as much research as possible. PayPal is a better option for protection gaurantees but the fees can high but safeguarded.

I hope you resolve the issue as losing money is no fun regardless.
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Old 20 December 2017, 01:35 AM   #35
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On Dec 16th he sent me an image of a chase Wire transfer sending the money back to me. There's a transaction number that is attached to it. The wire is coming from a different bank than I originally wired the money to. It should have hit my account Monday morning, but it hasn't.
You should be able to contact Chase and ask them about the wire number.

Sorry to hear this but I think we all know what the answer will be.

Good luck .
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Old 20 December 2017, 01:40 AM   #36
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Sorry to hear. Hope you get your money back.
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Old 20 December 2017, 01:41 AM   #37
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so sorry to see this. I hope you get your money returned.
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Old 20 December 2017, 01:45 AM   #38
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Old 20 December 2017, 01:50 AM   #39
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Sorry to hear about this. Hope it gets resolved quickly.
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Old 20 December 2017, 01:51 AM   #40
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Go through whatever means necessary to nail this guy. I am sorry and know what you are feeling, me being had so many times, though with not so much money.
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Old 20 December 2017, 02:03 AM   #41
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Sorry to hear. Unfortunately the money is likely gone. The scumbag will get his someday.
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Old 20 December 2017, 02:08 AM   #42
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Wonder if someone hijacked a legit user account and posted the sale under his name? Seems to happen from time to time.
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Old 20 December 2017, 02:08 AM   #43
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Sorry to hear . Iíve PM this seller here inquiring about this watch but he didnít answer me back . I hope you get resolved quickly.
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Old 20 December 2017, 02:13 AM   #44
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Sorry to see this. Sometimes if you know someone who is really good with a computer you can track these folks down and help the authorities out.

Good luck.
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Old 20 December 2017, 02:14 AM   #45
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What terrible news, that's why I preferred to buy by ebay because at least this is the protection of Paypal although here in the forum do not recommend it. I hope everything is solve soon.
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Old 20 December 2017, 02:37 AM   #46
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So sorry to hear of this op,,,
i believe its a fed offence in your country so report him and when caught and found guilty he should do lots of time,,,,
very best of luck in getting your funds back,,,
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Old 20 December 2017, 02:51 AM   #47
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Paypal doesn't always work to the buyer's favor...

Not a Rolex watch, through eBay I purchased a boat electronics item. Seller asked to cancel eBay listing (claimed PayPal account was incorrectly linked) and pay direct through PayPal. I did, noting that PayPal has the same buyer protection as eBay when you pay for an item. Seller then wanted me to pay additional money for shipping (over $200 from Greece), even though the eBay listing claimed the item was in the US and price included shipping. I made a PayPal disputed, expecting to cancel the transaction. The seller decided to ship anyway. When I received the item, it was not the item I thought I bought. The dispute eventually was settled in the seller's favor. I don't understand why PayPal ruled against me, their boilerplate description made no sense, their customer service people couldn't explain (even assured me I would prevail). All I can figure is the cancelled eBay listing did not document the item and so they couldn't/didn't verify my claim.

I knew this was going sideways once the seller cancelled the eBay listing and asked to pay direct. I only continued because of the PayPal buyer protection.

I don't trust PayPal anymore and will be more careful sending money.

Good luck with your situation.
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Old 20 December 2017, 03:04 AM   #48
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Contact authorities in the sellers jurisdiction as well as your PD and the FBI, wire fraud/bank fraud is federal offense.
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Old 20 December 2017, 03:07 AM   #49
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Can't they trace who owns the account on the other end of the wire?

I don't know, but does TRF require anything other than a $25 Paypal to be a TRF Member and sell stuff? Can Paypal accounts be traced?
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Old 20 December 2017, 03:21 AM   #50
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Ahh i feel for you man...have you managed to resolve it yet??
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Old 20 December 2017, 03:43 AM   #51
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Can't they trace who owns the account on the other end of the wire?

I don't know, but does TRF require anything other than a $25 Paypal to be a TRF Member and sell stuff? Can Paypal accounts be traced?


I second this idea. Hopefully his PayPal comes back to his actual person. Use that to go further.


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Old 20 December 2017, 03:52 AM   #52
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Old 20 December 2017, 03:55 AM   #53
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I currently have two watches for sale on here. I get people messaging me to bring my prices down to other sellers who have less than a year on the forums and less than 100 posts. I always tell them go with that guy if you want to 50/50 chance of even receiving a watch. Some take that advise some don't. Wire transfer type deals are tough because theres no way of getting your money back. I would file a police report and you also could file a small claims case against him, if you could find enough information on the guy.
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Old 20 December 2017, 04:05 AM   #54
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the images are copied from watchuseek.

I hope it is ok to post the link. if not, please remove.

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f29/fs-...w-4386114.html

Sorry OP.
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Old 20 December 2017, 04:06 AM   #55
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Sorry to hear this. One question, have you called Chase referencing the wire transfer number he gave you?
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Old 20 December 2017, 04:07 AM   #56
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I think it is of the utmost importance to vet a seller. There are a lot of sellers just looking to make an honest transaction. Simple questions like:

"can we hop on a call?"
"can we facetime?"
"where do you work and can you prove that?"

I had someone in Wisconsin buy a watch off of me. He found it on ebay and we transacted off of ebay. He did all of the above, we even exchanged photocopies of our driver's licenses. The transaction couldn't have gone smoother. Verify you know who you are dealing with, that way, you have recourse in a situation like this.

People are so scared of a telephone these days... If you're transacting with someone for $5, $10, $20k, the buyer and seller have a right to have questions answered.

I have an expensive watch listed and if someone isn't asking questions like above, for me on the seller front, it raises a huge flag.

For the OP, hopefully you've got some of the guys information beyond where you wired the money, hope this has a positive outcome for you.
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Old 20 December 2017, 04:13 AM   #57
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Should the Mods ban the folks who gave this scammer positive feedback until itís proven that those accounts are legit?


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Old 20 December 2017, 04:38 AM   #58
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Should the Mods ban the folks who gave this scammer positive feedback until itís proven that those accounts are legit?


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The mods definitely should ban the accounts of the posters who've supported the scammer. My guess is they are the scammer's other profiles.
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Old 20 December 2017, 04:41 AM   #59
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The mods definitely should ban the accounts of the posters who've supported the scammer. My guess is they are the scammer's other profiles.


Pretty much no doubt.


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Old 20 December 2017, 05:14 AM   #60
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Wires take one business day. Ask him for a Fed Confirmation Number!
Not even that. My bank said it takes no more than 20 minutes or so. Very quick.
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