Gmt master II m series 3186 movement

[teo]

Someone said all M series have 3186 movement. How about Z series? Some were told only late Z. So how late is late? Better to buy M series to be sure than Z series. Only Z series is in question. If your late Z series is not 3186 nevermind just buy a 3186 explorer 2 and do a switch. Lol.

[GMT Aviator]

Service dials are not stick dials. I know, I just had one replaced.

[DGB]

Originally Posted by teo

Someone said all M series have 3186 movement. How about Z series? Some were told only late Z. So how late is late? Better to buy M series to be sure than Z series. Only Z series is in question. If your late Z series is not 3186 nevermind just buy a 3186 explorer 2 and do a switch. Lol.

Hard to say with absolute certainty as Rolex does not publish their stats,
but Z9 has a 3186 most probably, I have not seen a Z9 with 3185, Z8 should be 3186 also.
The lowest I have seen with a 3186 is a Z66,
So Z6 would be the borderline, though I have seen some threads talking about a Z3 with a 3186 causing many suspicious comments.
For those who have nasty ideas about doing a Frankenwatch, if they buy a D or F serial, these watches had only 3185 originally, so not sure who they will be fooling. It can only be a 2007/8 production, the clasp should give you another indication of the year.
so buying an Exp2 with a 3186, a GMT M2 with a late Z and a clasp EO"x", then pay to swap the movements, of course they need to have the correct papers (credit card warrantee) : not sure how economic or realistic this would be.
The smart guy who has this idea needs to look for something else . . .

[ronricks]

Originally Posted by GMT Aviator

Service dials are not stick dials. I know, I just had one replaced.

My co worker got a stick dial as a service dial and so have many on here. There is nothing rare or unique about the stick dial it is just a font change/variation as Rolex has done for decades.

[Chadridv]

Originally Posted by DGB

Hard to say with absolute certainty as Rolex does not publish their stats,
but Z9 has a 3186 most probably, I have not seen a Z9 with 3185, Z8 should be 3186 also.
The lowest I have seen with a 3186 is a Z66,
So Z6 would be the borderline, though I have seen some threads talking about a Z3 with a 3186 causing many suspicious comments.
For those who have nasty ideas about doing a Frankenwatch, if they buy a D or F serial, these watches had only 3185 originally, so not sure who they will be fooling. It can only be a 2007/8 production, the clasp should give you another indication of the year.
so buying an Exp2 with a 3186, a GMT M2 with a late Z and a clasp EO"x", then pay to swap the movements, of course they need to have the correct papers (credit card warrantee) : not sure how economic or realistic this would be.
The smart guy who has this idea needs to look for something else . . .

I have a 16710 Z8... that is supposedly a 3185. As far as I've seen that's the latest watch around that's not a 3186.

Wait that means mine is super rare right!? Should be worth double any 3186 movement, right?

[DGB]

Originally Posted by Chadridv

I have a 16710 Z8... that is supposedly a 3185. As far as I've seen that's the latest watch around that's not a 3186.

Wait that means mine is super rare right!? Should be worth double any 3186 movement, right?

LOL,

Wait . . . why don't you sell it for $20k to some guy who wants to put a 3186 in it . . .

[JP Chestnut]

Originally Posted by GMT Aviator

Service dials are not stick dials. I know, I just had one replaced.

You service dial wasn't a stick dial. That's about all you can say.

[JP Chestnut]

Originally Posted by DGB

LOL,

Wait . . . why don't you sell it for $20k to some guy who wants to put a 3186 in it . . .

Maybe Teo wants to buy it.

[Speed]

Originally Posted by JP Chestnut

Maybe Teo wants to buy it.

Well played.

[blue lion]

Originally Posted by DGB

Hard to say with absolute certainty as Rolex does not publish their stats,
but Z9 has a 3186 most probably, I have not seen a Z9 with 3185, Z8 should be 3186 also.
The lowest I have seen with a 3186 is a Z66,
So Z6 would be the borderline, though I have seen some threads talking about a Z3 with a 3186 causing many suspicious comments.
For those who have nasty ideas about doing a Frankenwatch, if they buy a D or F serial, these watches had only 3185 originally, so not sure who they will be fooling. It can only be a 2007/8 production, the clasp should give you another indication of the year.
so buying an Exp2 with a 3186, a GMT M2 with a late Z and a clasp EO"x", then pay to swap the movements, of course they need to have the correct papers (credit card warrantee) : not sure how economic or realistic this would be.
The smart guy who has this idea needs to look for something else . . .

My Z200 is a 3185, so it's between there and 6 maybe?

[Chadridv]

Originally Posted by DGB

LOL,

Wait . . . why don't you sell it for $20k to some guy who wants to put a 3186 in it . . .

You making me an offer!? SOLD!

[alexxelor]

Originally Posted by armen34

Hi,

Wondering how rare it is to find a stick dial Pepsi with the newer 3186 movement and if there is a market for it?
Thanks

At the end of production, rolex creates 5 new references... card guarantee


pepsi 16710BLRO and 16710B it's most demanded watch of the moment .

the black bezel , reference 16710LN and 16710N

coke bezel reference 16710A and classic 16710

[DGB]

Finally got one

[rushca01]

What crack me up is you can buy an explorer II with 3186 movement at normal prices.

[Chadridv]

Originally Posted by padi56

Makes me smile about being rare yes they were made in smaller numbers but many hundreds possibly thousand of them around.And at one on the net the so called error or stick dial GMT must have a 3186 inside but afraid this was complete boswellocks.This hype was generated over the net and has driven prices up god knows why.

You've maintained that this 3186 demand is boswellocks (great word btw) for 8+ years now, claiming internet hype caused ridiculous price spikes.

You say only god knows why, but you've answered the million dollar question right there above. But first, you need to accept the fact that a market value driven by internet hype, is simply just the "market value".

The price on this particular model has only gone up. You don't need to like it, and, you obviously don't have to buy one, and you certainly don't need to approve of how people spend their money... but I think it's boswellworks that you can't accept that this model is frankly hard to find and the price only continues to rise.

[breitlings]

Originally Posted by Danex

That is a crazy price. I can get a minty white gold 116719 BLRO for less than that.

But how much will the watches be worth in the future?

[subsurface]

"Sticks" adds a bit of personality to the watch. Conversation opportunity. At the right price, but not at a premium bump in price. Then I'd rather tell 'em I saved $$$$ buying Roman numerals.

[Mrdi]

I have a 16710A w/ 386. both pepsi and bergundy M series.
Rare? Purchased 2008 from USA Dealer.
What is the going current price, mint?

[Gtecko]

20K seems like a lot, I'd have to agree with everyone comments ...

[jguerra04]

I have a Z serial Pepsi, but unfortunately it has the 3185 movement! Bummer.

[ronaldjohn123]

Rare items command top prices , just like a flat floor e type, Low number production , 2.8 rsr , low number production , Ducati 888 sp4 ,low numbers , yes they did produce 30,000 GMT 16710 s with the 3186 movement ,but in the grand scheme of things ,that's not many , basically can you afford the premium , there not all of a sudden drop in value , why would that happen , so you pay your money ,and if you don't then I'm sure someone else will

[newmagic]

I would say 16710LN and 16710N are the most demanding for the true collectors. Try to find one for sale. I only was able to find 3 in existence so far. I’m sure there are more, but it’s the rarest modern Rolex I know of

Originally Posted by alexxelor

At the end of production, rolex creates 5 new references... card guarantee


pepsi 16710BLRO and 16710B it's most demanded watch of the moment .

the black bezel , reference 16710LN and 16710N

coke bezel reference 16710A and classic 16710