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DLagent · 4 January 2010, 02:34 AM

NIB Submariner 14060M Z-serial w/papers, etc. from LawrenceB on TRF - asking $3800+ship

Used Submariner 14060M F-serial w/ papers, etc. from LawrenceB on TRF - asking $3000+ship

Used Submariner 16613 TT w/ black dial (U-serial, ca. 1998ish), no box or papers, from a local individual seller that I found on craigslist and who claims to be the watch's third owner - asking $3900

I'm having trouble deciding, and I'd also like to know your thoughts on which one might be the best bang for the buck, taking into account that I may consider selling/trading to upgrade in the future.

By the way, don't worry about authenticity issues of the craigslist watch - I plan on meeting the guy at a Mayor's Jewelers for an appraisal.

InVision · 4 January 2010, 02:36 AM

"Z" series

Mike

sea-dweller · 4 January 2010, 02:37 AM

I would get one the of the 14060M's. The history on the 16613 is unknown and there are no B&P's included with it.

Tools · 4 January 2010, 02:39 AM

The TT Sub is selling low, if it is authentic and clean..

The F series is already near the bottom of pricing, so it will likely not fall further in the near future..

Buying a Rolex because you may flip it later is not the best deciding factor... If you don't get the one you want, then you will certainly flip it.... Get the one you want and keep it for the best value..

slcbbrown · 4 January 2010, 02:45 AM

I'm partial to the TT, for the money, but my advice is to get the 14060 F. Pocket the extra cash. I've got the 14060, and it's a great looking sport model.

If you work in an office, that TT works really well as a sport/dress version. Enjoy yourself-- you've got three good choices.

padi56 · 4 January 2010, 02:46 AM

Well the Z and F non date subs are the same movements,only difference a case date stamp.The F from September 2003 till april 2005 the Z May 2006 july 2007 dates are approx.Myself would choose the F 14060M and save $800 its possible only a years difference between the two 14060M,most TT watches dont hold there prices as good a the S.steel models.

DLagent · 4 January 2010, 02:55 AM

On the F-serial 10460M, is it worth offering the seller a couple hundred bucks less than asking?

nyyankees · 4 January 2010, 03:12 AM

Is the Z 14060M a COSC version? The only difference betwen it and the F may be whether or not it has the COSC print on it. The only other thing to consider is that an F may be about ready for a service. Based on that, if both are non-COSC, I would offer the seller somewhat less than the asking price.

VetteBandit · 4 January 2010, 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by padi56

Well the Z and F non date subs are the same movements,only difference a case date stamp.The F from September 2003 till april 2005 the Z May 2006 july 2007 dates are approx.Myself would choose the F 14060M and save $800 its possible only a years difference between the two 14060M,most TT watches dont hold there prices as good a the S.steel models.

I agree. But if you like the ROLEX ROLEX ROLEX on the inside of the case go for the newer Z.

jvo300 · 4 January 2010, 04:56 AM

My personal opinion is the F series is best bang for the buck.More likley to lose money on the resale of the Z series than the F in the future. I'm not a big fan of the TT and it's probably fair to say that there are more people like me than not in the market (liquidity is a big factor when thinking about watches you may sell later). The most important thing of all is to buy the watch you want the most so that you won't be reselling it in the future.

submariner16610 · 4 January 2010, 05:22 AM

how about if you willk just find a subdate used 16610.. you can get it for 3,800 good condition..im not a fan of no date sub and the tt 16613 is 11 years old plus nio papers and box. I won't risk myself in purchasing that.. But with your 3 choices there i'll go with the z series.. but u can get a 16610 for 3800 good condition,just a lil older model maybe f series or down...

Art 1 · 4 January 2010, 05:28 AM

The TT is a very good price if all is good with it.

The F has bottomed out and would be a good buy.

The Z COULD end up being a very short production run. COSC.

Hkspwrsche · 4 January 2010, 05:41 AM

Agree with Art. COSC could end up collectible since it's only recently had that badge and may end up disco'ed with the sub for the new sub ceramics. Also Lawrence B is a known seller. it will be as decribed.

Deyn Man · 4 January 2010, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by submariner16610

how about if you willk just find a subdate used 16610.. you can get it for 3,800 good condition..im not a fan of no date sub and the tt 16613 is 11 years old plus nio papers and box. I won't risk myself in purchasing that.. But with your 3 choices there i'll go with the z series.. but u can get a 16610 for 3800 good condition,just a lil older model maybe f series or down...

x2
not a fan of the no-date sub and would most likely opt for the TT.

TSW · 4 January 2010, 08:25 PM

Either the F or Z would be a good buy!!

xjeeunitx · 4 January 2010, 08:35 PM

I'd go for the F and use that 800 to save up for another watch. F and Z doesn't have much differences to dish out 800 more.

vukotab · 4 January 2010, 11:21 PM

Well...if that TT is real thing (regardless of box&papers), I wouldn`t have many doubts..

Gerardus · 4 January 2010, 11:22 PM

Z.

zak98 · 4 January 2010, 11:24 PM

lawrenceb is super.. so based just on seller.. go with him.

f series is the one i would choose.

DLagent · 4 January 2010, 11:39 PM

I made an offer on the F.

LawrenceB was asking $2995+ship, I offered $2900 including ship (we're both in FL). Awaiting response.

Speed · 5 January 2010, 12:54 AM

Good job. I hate the rehaut engraving. Good luck.

Bought 2 watches from Lawrence myself.

jets · 5 January 2010, 07:27 AM

Me, I'd buy a non COSC ND if available. F or Z makes no diff.

SteKos · 5 January 2010, 07:48 AM

Personally, I'd buy from Lawrence. He's a good guy, you won't have to worry about getting a real Rolex sent to you.

Also, personally, I'd go for the $3000 F series. Same watch as the Z, save the $800.

DLagent · 5 January 2010, 11:46 AM

Thanks for the fantastic input, everyone. I heard back from LawrenceB today, and some other lucky joe got to him before I did and now owns "MY" 14060M!

I called the guy with the TT just out of curiosity because I WOULD buy it if the price was right. I know $3900 is a good price to begin with, but I don't feel like spending the extra grand, so I figured I'd ask if he'd come down. He won't budge a nickel, and coincidentally, he ended up telling me that he doesn't NEED to sell the watch, but wants to sell it so he can get himself a SS Sub instead!

So, the search continues for a 14060M. Hopefully one of the reputable sellers here on TRF - DavidSW, LawrenceB, bodybump, etc. - will come up with one soon.

Thanks again.

Andad · 5 January 2010, 12:12 PM

Sounds like it would have only cost you $95 for a great learning experience.

DLagent · 5 January 2010, 12:14 PM

As luck would have it, LawrenceB just posted another pre-owned 14060M, this one a Z-series, asking $3550+ship. I made an offer. The dream is still alive!

Andad · 5 January 2010, 12:16 PM

Sorry - my mistake.

DLagent · 5 January 2010, 12:17 PM

Am I missing something?

Warnsboy · 5 January 2010, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DLagent

NIB Submariner 14060M Z-serial w/papers, etc. from LawrenceB on TRF - asking $3800+ship

Used Submariner 14060M F-serial w/ papers, etc. from LawrenceB on TRF - asking $3000+ship

Used Submariner 16613 TT w/ black dial (U-serial, ca. 1998ish), no box or papers, from a local individual seller that I found on craigslist and who claims to be the watch's third owner - asking $3900

I'm having trouble deciding, and I'd also like to know your thoughts on which one might be the best bang for the buck, taking into account that I may consider selling/trading to upgrade in the future.

By the way, don't worry about authenticity issues of the craigslist watch - I plan on meeting the guy at a Mayor's Jewelers for an appraisal.

No brainer.......the F and send it for a service = $3,300 for a like new!!
No Papers = not worth $2,800, unless it is M or newer and you can verify its authentic. Plud LawrenceB is good guy!!

nyyankees · 5 January 2010, 01:26 PM

Good luck!

4 January 2010, 02:34 AM	#1
DLagent "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Fort Lauderdale Posts: 118	Which would you choose? NIB Submariner 14060M Z-serial w/papers, etc. from LawrenceB on TRF - asking $3800+ship Used Submariner 14060M F-serial w/ papers, etc. from LawrenceB on TRF - asking $3000+ship Used Submariner 16613 TT w/ black dial (U-serial, ca. 1998ish), no box or papers, from a local individual seller that I found on craigslist and who claims to be the watch's third owner - asking $3900 I'm having trouble deciding, and I'd also like to know your thoughts on which one might be the best bang for the buck, taking into account that I may consider selling/trading to upgrade in the future. By the way, don't worry about authenticity issues of the craigslist watch - I plan on meeting the guy at a Mayor's Jewelers for an appraisal.

4 January 2010, 02:37 AM	#3
sea-dweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Dennis Location: Bay Area - 925 Posts: 40,018	I would get one the of the 14060M's. The history on the 16613 is unknown and there are no B&P's included with it. __________________ TRF Member #6699 (since September 2007)

4 January 2010, 02:39 AM	#4
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,262	The TT Sub is selling low, if it is authentic and clean.. The F series is already near the bottom of pricing, so it will likely not fall further in the near future.. Buying a Rolex because you may flip it later is not the best deciding factor... If you don't get the one you want, then you will certainly flip it.... Get the one you want and keep it for the best value.. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

4 January 2010, 02:46 AM	#6
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 52,566	Well the Z and F non date subs are the same movements,only difference a case date stamp.The F from September 2003 till april 2005 the Z May 2006 july 2007 dates are approx.Myself would choose the F 14060M and save $800 its possible only a years difference between the two 14060M,most TT watches dont hold there prices as good a the S.steel models. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

4 January 2010, 08:25 PM	#15
TSW "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: TSW Location: Le Brassus Watch: Rolex & AP's Posts: 27,449	Either the F or Z would be a good buy!! __________________ AP Owners Club IG @swiss.watch.connection

4 January 2010, 02:36 AM	#2
InVision Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Mike Location: Destin, FL USA Watch: Outerspace DayDate Posts: 2,662	"Z" series Mike

4 January 2010, 02:45 AM	#5
slcbbrown "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: steve Location: dallas area Watch: 50's TT t-bird Posts: 3,689	I'm partial to the TT, for the money, but my advice is to get the 14060 F. Pocket the extra cash. I've got the 14060, and it's a great looking sport model. If you work in an office, that TT works really well as a sport/dress version. Enjoy yourself-- you've got three good choices.

4 January 2010, 02:55 AM	#7
DLagent "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Fort Lauderdale Posts: 118	On the F-serial 10460M, is it worth offering the seller a couple hundred bucks less than asking?

4 January 2010, 03:12 AM	#8
nyyankees "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Southeastern PA Watch: 1216610 Posts: 2,131	Is the Z 14060M a COSC version? The only difference betwen it and the F may be whether or not it has the COSC print on it. The only other thing to consider is that an F may be about ready for a service. Based on that, if both are non-COSC, I would offer the seller somewhat less than the asking price.

4 January 2010, 04:56 AM	#10
jvo300 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: TX Posts: 1,897	My personal opinion is the F series is best bang for the buck.More likley to lose money on the resale of the Z series than the F in the future. I'm not a big fan of the TT and it's probably fair to say that there are more people like me than not in the market (liquidity is a big factor when thinking about watches you may sell later). The most important thing of all is to buy the watch you want the most so that you won't be reselling it in the future.

4 January 2010, 05:22 AM	#11
submariner16610 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: united states Watch: submariner,daytona Posts: 707	how about if you willk just find a subdate used 16610.. you can get it for 3,800 good condition..im not a fan of no date sub and the tt 16613 is 11 years old plus nio papers and box. I won't risk myself in purchasing that.. But with your 3 choices there i'll go with the z series.. but u can get a 16610 for 3800 good condition,just a lil older model maybe f series or down...

4 January 2010, 05:28 AM	#12
Art 1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Florida, Canada Watch: Rol/Seik/Tud/Omega Posts: 30,244	The TT is a very good price if all is good with it. The F has bottomed out and would be a good buy. The Z COULD end up being a very short production run. COSC.

4 January 2010, 05:41 AM	#13
Hkspwrsche "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Harold Location: Richmond, Va Posts: 772	Agree with Art. COSC could end up collectible since it's only recently had that badge and may end up disco'ed with the sub for the new sub ceramics. Also Lawrence B is a known seller. it will be as decribed.

4 January 2010, 08:35 PM	#16
xjeeunitx 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,430	I'd go for the F and use that 800 to save up for another watch. F and Z doesn't have much differences to dish out 800 more. __________________ *2 FACTOR AUTHENTICATION ENABLED.*

4 January 2010, 11:21 PM	#17
vukotab "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Real Name: Vukota Brajovi Location: Belgrade,Serbia Watch: ing movies! Posts: 3,812	Well...if that TT is real thing (regardless of box&papers), I wouldn`t have many doubts.. __________________ My fashion blog and Instagram: https://stylebyvukota.com/ https://instagram.com/vukotabrajovic/

4 January 2010, 11:22 PM	#18
Gerardus "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: Gerardus Location: EU Watch: ♕ Posts: 11,935	Z. __________________ ♕16570 ♕126610 ♕126333

4 January 2010, 11:24 PM	#19
zak98 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: TN Watch: Rolex Posts: 2,166	lawrenceb is super.. so based just on seller.. go with him. f series is the one i would choose. __________________ Z- Submariner; P- Airking; R- DateJust; M- GMTII; C0 - Milgauss GV Breitling SuperOcean Heritage 46 Omega Speedmaster Racing Panerai PAM390

4 January 2010, 11:39 PM	#20
DLagent "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Fort Lauderdale Posts: 118	I made an offer on the F. LawrenceB was asking $2995+ship, I offered $2900 including ship (we're both in FL). Awaiting response.

5 January 2010, 12:54 AM	#21
Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,706	Good job. I hate the rehaut engraving. Good luck. Bought 2 watches from Lawrence myself.

5 January 2010, 07:27 AM	#22
jets "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Mario Location: CANADA Posts: 2,483	Me, I'd buy a non COSC ND if available. F or Z makes no diff. __________________ ♛ DJII 116234 · Submariner 126610LV · Yacht Master 42 226659 ✿ Pelagos 25600TN Ω X-33 Speedmaster Skywalker · 1861 Speedmaster Modsukoshi · SMP 2254.50 · SMP 2230.50 NAC · Seamaster 300 166.0324 · Genève 162.037 Seiko SLA033 Willard · SKX007

5 January 2010, 07:48 AM	#23
SteKos Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 150	Personally, I'd buy from Lawrence. He's a good guy, you won't have to worry about getting a real Rolex sent to you. Also, personally, I'd go for the $3000 F series. Same watch as the Z, save the $800.

5 January 2010, 11:46 AM	#24
DLagent "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Fort Lauderdale Posts: 118	Thanks for the fantastic input, everyone. I heard back from LawrenceB today, and some other lucky joe got to him before I did and now owns "MY" 14060M! I called the guy with the TT just out of curiosity because I WOULD buy it if the price was right. I know $3900 is a good price to begin with, but I don't feel like spending the extra grand, so I figured I'd ask if he'd come down. He won't budge a nickel, and coincidentally, he ended up telling me that he doesn't NEED to sell the watch, but wants to sell it so he can get himself a SS Sub instead! So, the search continues for a 14060M. Hopefully one of the reputable sellers here on TRF - DavidSW, LawrenceB, bodybump, etc. - will come up with one soon. Thanks again.

5 January 2010, 12:12 PM	#25
Andad 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,084	Sounds like it would have only cost you $95 for a great learning experience. __________________ E

5 January 2010, 12:14 PM	#26
DLagent "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Fort Lauderdale Posts: 118	As luck would have it, LawrenceB just posted another pre-owned 14060M, this one a Z-series, asking $3550+ship. I made an offer. The dream is still alive!

5 January 2010, 12:16 PM	#27
Andad 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,084	Sorry - my mistake. __________________ E

5 January 2010, 12:17 PM	#28
DLagent "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Fort Lauderdale Posts: 118	Am I missing something?

5 January 2010, 01:26 PM	#30
nyyankees "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Southeastern PA Watch: 1216610 Posts: 2,131	Good luck!

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