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fabotelli · 1 July 2023, 06:07 AM

I'm thinking of buying a 16613 bluesy SM.
It comes with the guarantee card that has the correct Style # (R16613360B9315)
but the serial number starts with 845****, which dates it to 1984, before the 16613 was being made!

I'm hoping there's a logical expanation for it....?

thank you in advance (my first post)

TuRo · 1 July 2023, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fabotelli

I'm thinking of buying a 16613 bluesy SM.
It comes with the guarantee card that has the correct Style # (R16613360B9315)
but the serial number starts with 845****, which dates it to 1984, before the 16613 was being made!

I'm hoping there's a logical expanation for it....?

thank you in advance (my first post)

Welcome to the RF. yes that’s very odd it’s pre-runner the 16803 bi colour blue was about for 4 years 83/84 to 87/88. 16613 came c 88 so 8.45 million I can’t see being correct personally….. as all 16613 I have handled/recorded are serials pre fixed with a letter eg R,L,E,X etc

Andad · 1 July 2023, 05:45 PM

Do you have pix?

Haywood_Milton · 1 July 2023, 05:50 PM

Guarantee CARD ?

Therein lies a pointer to something being incorrect.

Insta : haywood_milton_rolex

CTech · 1 July 2023, 07:08 PM

Without photos it is just conjecture, but is it possible this is a 1988 watch and the serial number is actually R45****, but the R is misread as an 8?

Swearengen · 1 July 2023, 07:15 PM

Ask for some photos, in particular between the lugs both at 12 O'Clock and 6 O'Clock. This should give the model ref and S/N

TimeToGo · 1 July 2023, 07:29 PM

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I'll take a guess. Is this what you are referring as a guarantee card ?
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Haywood_Milton · 1 July 2023, 07:49 PM

Just out of interest for those who follow such things, I have documented a number of examples of 16803s in the Rxxxxxx case number range, including one presented by Rolex UK (with paperwork) to someone who had done property work for them but been noticed on site wearing a fake !

It was very common for generations of the same model to overlap and indeed I have a dealer promotion leaflet here with both the 1665 and 16660 advertised simultaneously :

In the OP's case I think there is missing information and I would like to ask :

1. what he means by the "card," as such a watch should have had a paper COSC certificate. Does he have a Rolex USA holder for papers as shown above, or a Rolex service card, or a later, fake warranty card?

2. what the numbers are on the watch itself?

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fabotelli · 1 July 2023, 09:30 PM

Thank you all for your help!
I have a photo of the document - (but cant post it until I have had 10 post, so might take a few hours!!)
I didn't buy the watch yet, so don't know the # it has on it - I have asked...

It's IMGUR link is 3kX5GNe if that helps...

fabotelli · 1 July 2023, 09:40 PM

10 posts wasn't so bad...here's the link the the document...

https://imgur.com/a/BqNYYYU

Haywood_Milton · 1 July 2023, 10:13 PM

It is unfortunate when sellers choose Google Earth to photograph their items.

Could that be an X at the start, rather than an 8 ?

I have a 16610 at X4562xx which might be consistent with that suggestion, as Rolex would designate a batch of case numbers to 1661x cases, variously then made into steel or bicolour variants with -0 or -3 terminations.

H

springer · 1 July 2023, 10:45 PM

8464392 seems to be the serial number.

TuRo · 1 July 2023, 11:10 PM

Looks most like an 8 agreed, but X is the only possibility if legit - dealer ink font look correct.

Op we are going need photo of the serial number of the south lug - or a better photo .

Ps Sometimes there is a white adhesive sticker about 1 inch x 1/8th of an inch, top left or middle, on the other side of the cert too with serial printed in black on it.

fabotelli · 1 July 2023, 11:49 PM

OK - I've asked for both, so I'll let you know if I get anything more...

(btw..Haywood..I'm originally frm Cheadle Cheshire...and TuRo - nice Riva!)

fabotelli · 4 July 2023, 12:15 PM

Update - I got a higher resolution photo...
It's actually an S, not an 8
AND it matches the serial # on the Bezel!

So I'm buying it!

Thank you all for your help.

Filipão · 4 July 2023, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fabotelli

Update - I got a higher resolution photo...
It's actually an S, not an 8
AND it matches the serial # on the Bezel!

So I'm buying it!

Thank you all for your help.

Happy for you! Show us that beauty when you get it, please.

springer · 4 July 2023, 01:04 PM

Here's what I see under magnification. 8464392.

fabotelli · 4 July 2023, 01:30 PM

Although the above makes me a little nervous - here's the doc at a higher resolution.
It seems like the serif on the S is making it look like an 8 at lower resolution..?

https://imgur.com/a/b7iYt8c

Swearengen · 4 July 2023, 06:41 PM

Just a bit confused here, easily done

Are you saying the watch s/n is S869xxxx and the papers show 8464392? I've not clicked on any of the links btw.

fabotelli · 4 July 2023, 08:42 PM

Sorry - I know it's getting a bit confusing.

A higher res photo of the Guarantee shows the serial number is S464xxx .
This matchres exactly the Serial # on the Bezel (a photo I have not uploaded).
It also now dates the watches correctly.

Does this make sense?

Swearengen · 4 July 2023, 09:09 PM

Maybe something is getting lost in transalation - you don't normally have a serial number on the bezel. Perhaps you could upload a photo.....a picture is worth a 1000 words.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fabotelli

Sorry - I know it's getting a bit confusing.

A higher res photo of the Guarantee shows the serial number is S464xxx .
This matchres exactly the Serial # on the Bezel (a photo I have not uploaded).
It also now dates the watches correctly.

Does this make sense?

fabotelli · 4 July 2023, 09:17 PM

Here's the picture:

https://imgur.com/a/j44bcpS

Between the lugs...

TuRo · 4 July 2023, 10:04 PM

Solved... great.
Hope the rest of watch is nice. Looks like a blue sunburst that has purpled a bit as some years do - I like the purple dial personally. Ps Should be Tritium T25 footer, and tritium handet if dial/hands are original, and not lume up when UV/LED light taken away.

fabotelli · 4 July 2023, 10:16 PM

I've been looking for a purple example for little while.
VERY excited to be getting this!

I was really hoping there'd be an explanation for the SN, as I like this watch a lot.

It has the Tritium footer.
I'm not sure if the hands are original, as the patina is slightly different to the dial - I guess I'll see under UV!

Swearengen · 4 July 2023, 10:23 PM

Congrats, I love a purple blusey

fabotelli · 4 July 2023, 10:38 PM

That's great!

I hope mine's as purple as that - I think it is.
I'll post pictures when I get it...

Swearengen · 4 July 2023, 11:38 PM

Quite likley as that year produced a few that go purple. Mine is a N s/n so similar age. Also depending on the light it can look very purple

Quote:

Originally Posted by fabotelli

That's great!

I hope mine's as purple as that - I think it is.
I'll post pictures when I get it...

springer · 5 July 2023, 03:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fabotelli

Here's the picture:

https://imgur.com/a/j44bcpS

Between the lugs...

Now we got it. Mystery solved. In focus pics sure help!!!

fabotelli · 12 July 2023, 11:22 PM

I got it !

Here it is...I love it!!

https://imgur.com/a/wcPwFhs

TuRo · 13 July 2023, 04:35 AM

Lovely purple hue ...

1 July 2023, 06:07 AM	#1
fabotelli "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2023 Location: nyc Posts: 31	16613 with serial # that's too early!? I'm thinking of buying a 16613 bluesy SM. It comes with the guarantee card that has the correct Style # (R16613360B9315) but the serial number starts with 845****, which dates it to 1984, before the 16613 was being made! I'm hoping there's a logical expanation for it....? thank you in advance (my first post)

1 July 2023, 05:45 PM	#3
Andad 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 36,927	Do you have pix? __________________ E

1 July 2023, 05:50 PM	#4
Haywood_Milton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Yes, it is ! Location: Cheshire & Mersey Watch: Military issue Sub Posts: 1,323	Guarantee CARD ? Therein lies a pointer to something being incorrect. Insta : haywood_milton_rolex __________________ Comex:5513,5514,1665x2,16800x2,16600 Mil sub:5517x2,5513x9,5512 Submariner:6536/1x2,5508,5513 PCG u/line & double SWISS (America's Cup),5513 giltx2, 5513 m-firstx2,5513 gloss WGx2,1680 Red,1680 White Mk1 & Mk2 Sea-Dweller:1665 DRSDx3,Great Whitex3 GMT-Master:6542x2 (1 Bakelite),1675x8 (2 gilt), 16750 & SeaKing 116710LN Explorer:1016x6 (1 gilt),5500x3,14270 Blackout, Orange 1655 x4 Milgauss 1019x3 Cosmo 6263 *RNCD DSSD 116660.

1 July 2023, 07:15 PM	#6
Swearengen "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Gabriel Location: London, UK Posts: 1,817	Ask for some photos, in particular between the lugs both at 12 O'Clock and 6 O'Clock. This should give the model ref and S/N __________________ 1680 1675 16800 16570 16710 17000 16613 17013 Gone but not forgotten 16610LV 1016 16234

1 July 2023, 07:49 PM	#8
Haywood_Milton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Yes, it is ! Location: Cheshire & Mersey Watch: Military issue Sub Posts: 1,323	Just out of interest for those who follow such things, I have documented a number of examples of 16803s in the Rxxxxxx case number range, including one presented by Rolex UK (with paperwork) to someone who had done property work for them but been noticed on site wearing a fake ! It was very common for generations of the same model to overlap and indeed I have a dealer promotion leaflet here with both the 1665 and 16660 advertised simultaneously : In the OP's case I think there is missing information and I would like to ask : 1. what he means by the "card," as such a watch should have had a paper COSC certificate. Does he have a Rolex USA holder for papers as shown above, or a Rolex service card, or a later, fake warranty card? 2. what the numbers are on the watch itself? H __________________ Comex:5513,5514,1665x2,16800x2,16600 Mil sub:5517x2,5513x9,5512 Submariner:6536/1x2,5508,5513 PCG u/line & double SWISS (America's Cup),5513 giltx2, 5513 m-firstx2,5513 gloss WGx2,1680 Red,1680 White Mk1 & Mk2 Sea-Dweller:1665 DRSDx3,Great Whitex3 GMT-Master:6542x2 (1 Bakelite),1675x8 (2 gilt), 16750 & SeaKing 116710LN Explorer:1016x6 (1 gilt),5500x3,14270 Blackout, Orange 1655 x4 Milgauss 1019x3 Cosmo 6263 *RNCD DSSD 116660.

1 July 2023, 07:08 PM	#5
CTech "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: USA Posts: 422	Without photos it is just conjecture, but is it possible this is a 1988 watch and the serial number is actually R45****, but the R is misread as an 8?

1 July 2023, 09:30 PM	#9
fabotelli "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2023 Location: nyc Posts: 31	Thank you all for your help! I have a photo of the document - (but cant post it until I have had 10 post, so might take a few hours!!) I didn't buy the watch yet, so don't know the # it has on it - I have asked... It's IMGUR link is 3kX5GNe if that helps...

1 July 2023, 09:40 PM	#10
fabotelli "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2023 Location: nyc Posts: 31	10 posts wasn't so bad...here's the link the the document... https://imgur.com/a/BqNYYYU

1 July 2023, 10:13 PM	#11
Haywood_Milton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Yes, it is ! Location: Cheshire & Mersey Watch: Military issue Sub Posts: 1,323	It is unfortunate when sellers choose Google Earth to photograph their items. Could that be an X at the start, rather than an 8 ? I have a 16610 at X4562xx which might be consistent with that suggestion, as Rolex would designate a batch of case numbers to 1661x cases, variously then made into steel or bicolour variants with -0 or -3 terminations. H __________________ Comex:5513,5514,1665x2,16800x2,16600 Mil sub:5517x2,5513x9,5512 Submariner:6536/1x2,5508,5513 PCG u/line & double SWISS (America's Cup),5513 giltx2, 5513 m-firstx2,5513 gloss WGx2,1680 Red,1680 White Mk1 & Mk2 Sea-Dweller:1665 DRSDx3,Great Whitex3 GMT-Master:6542x2 (1 Bakelite),1675x8 (2 gilt), 16750 & SeaKing 116710LN Explorer:1016x6 (1 gilt),5500x3,14270 Blackout, Orange 1655 x4 Milgauss 1019x3 Cosmo 6263 *RNCD DSSD 116660.

1 July 2023, 10:45 PM	#12
springer 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,230	8464392 seems to be the serial number. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

1 July 2023, 11:10 PM	#13
TuRo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Real Name: Paul Location: Cantabrigia - G.B Watch: ing the detectives Posts: 2,583	Looks most like an 8 agreed, but X is the only possibility if legit - dealer ink font look correct. Op we are going need photo of the serial number of the south lug - or a better photo . Ps Sometimes there is a white adhesive sticker about 1 inch x 1/8th of an inch, top left or middle, on the other side of the cert too with serial printed in black on it. __________________ Her body measurements Are perfect in every dimension She's got a figure that's sure enough getting attention.. SHE'S A BAD MAMA JAMA - Carl Carlton

1 July 2023, 11:49 PM	#14
fabotelli "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2023 Location: nyc Posts: 31	OK - I've asked for both, so I'll let you know if I get anything more... (btw..Haywood..I'm originally frm Cheadle Cheshire...and TuRo - nice Riva!)

4 July 2023, 12:15 PM	#15
fabotelli "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2023 Location: nyc Posts: 31	Update - I got a higher resolution photo... It's actually an S, not an 8 AND it matches the serial # on the Bezel! So I'm buying it! Thank you all for your help.

4 July 2023, 01:30 PM	#18
fabotelli "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2023 Location: nyc Posts: 31	Although the above makes me a little nervous - here's the doc at a higher resolution. It seems like the serif on the S is making it look like an 8 at lower resolution..? https://imgur.com/a/b7iYt8c

4 July 2023, 06:41 PM	#19
Swearengen "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Gabriel Location: London, UK Posts: 1,817	Just a bit confused here, easily done Are you saying the watch s/n is S869xxxx and the papers show 8464392? I've not clicked on any of the links btw. __________________ 1680 1675 16800 16570 16710 17000 16613 17013 Gone but not forgotten 16610LV 1016 16234

4 July 2023, 08:42 PM	#20
fabotelli "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2023 Location: nyc Posts: 31	Sorry - I know it's getting a bit confusing. A higher res photo of the Guarantee shows the serial number is S464xxx . This matchres exactly the Serial # on the Bezel (a photo I have not uploaded). It also now dates the watches correctly. Does this make sense?

4 July 2023, 09:17 PM	#22
fabotelli "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2023 Location: nyc Posts: 31	Here's the picture: https://imgur.com/a/j44bcpS Between the lugs...

4 July 2023, 10:04 PM	#23
TuRo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Real Name: Paul Location: Cantabrigia - G.B Watch: ing the detectives Posts: 2,583	Solved... great. Hope the rest of watch is nice. Looks like a blue sunburst that has purpled a bit as some years do - I like the purple dial personally. Ps Should be Tritium T25 footer, and tritium handet if dial/hands are original, and not lume up when UV/LED light taken away. __________________ Her body measurements Are perfect in every dimension She's got a figure that's sure enough getting attention.. SHE'S A BAD MAMA JAMA - Carl Carlton

4 July 2023, 10:16 PM	#24
fabotelli "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2023 Location: nyc Posts: 31	I've been looking for a purple example for little while. VERY excited to be getting this! I was really hoping there'd be an explanation for the SN, as I like this watch a lot. It has the Tritium footer. I'm not sure if the hands are original, as the patina is slightly different to the dial - I guess I'll see under UV!

4 July 2023, 10:38 PM	#26
fabotelli "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2023 Location: nyc Posts: 31	That's great! I hope mine's as purple as that - I think it is. I'll post pictures when I get it...

12 July 2023, 11:22 PM	#29
fabotelli "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2023 Location: nyc Posts: 31	I got it ! Here it is...I love it!! https://imgur.com/a/wcPwFhs

13 July 2023, 04:35 AM	#30
TuRo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Real Name: Paul Location: Cantabrigia - G.B Watch: ing the detectives Posts: 2,583	Lovely purple hue ... __________________ Her body measurements Are perfect in every dimension She's got a figure that's sure enough getting attention.. SHE'S A BAD MAMA JAMA - Carl Carlton

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