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bobrowiec12 · 7 October 2013, 10:12 PM

Hi,
I have seen this watch on internet...and i am very interested...It will potentially become my first PP (potentially).
It comes without box and papers. The seller has sent the following pictures and I am wondering if it's not a fake...could you help me?

In addition, it's a 3800...small size but it's a very elegant watch...could you post your pictures with this model on your wrist.

I have found other 3800 - the date indicator is in white not black as here, and as i am concerned the polich with which the date is written is different...

The glass has some minor and light scratches - is it a plexi or a saphire? can it be polished or I have to change it...?

please help me.

thank you.

tavv160 · 7 October 2013, 11:16 PM

For CHF 100 you can get extracts from the PP archives. I would highly recommend you ask the seller to include those before considering the purchase. I am not sure if you are fully aware that this model is about 5mm smaller than the normal Nautilus. 5mm is quite a difference, so try it on before buying it. The watch seems legit from the pictures though.

Is the seller a professional seller? I am always quite wary of pictures of the movement outside of the case when the seller is not a professional seller. There is a reason why the movements are manufactured in dust-free rooms, and if this is an individual that just opened up the case I would not touch it, as PP service costs and times can be hardcore.

Hope that helps.

kilyung · 7 October 2013, 11:32 PM

An uncased Nautilus... not something you see everyday.

SearChart · 7 October 2013, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kilyung

An uncased Nautilus... not something you see everyday.

But it sure is very interesting to see.

bobrowiec12 · 8 October 2013, 01:45 AM

The seller is a professional, he owned a watch shop in the past.
The watch is proposed for a good price and fair....
10 kusd.

What do you think?

kilyung · 8 October 2013, 01:51 AM

Tbh, for that much, I'd get an AP 15300/15400 for a similar Genta derived design in a larger case size.

tavv160 · 8 October 2013, 04:02 AM

US$10k (€7400) isn't bad for that watch. In Europe they sell between €10-12k. But I had a look at it before, but because of the size I decided not to go for it. I was afraid I would get a Nautilus that just was not what I was looking for. I decided to go for an AP RO and decided to get the Nautilus I really want when I am able to find one, i.e. the 5711 or 5712.

jon_jon · 10 October 2013, 05:41 AM

The 3800 was in production for many years. $10K USD is not a bad price, but when this watch was purchased originally from an AD, the original purchase price was probably only a fraction of the current selling price.

I would ask when this watch was produced or first purchased. The Extract from the archives should have this information.

breitlingherst · 10 October 2013, 05:53 AM

For 10k, the watch should have box/papers and a recent service.

shnxx · 10 October 2013, 06:01 AM

Isn't $10K for a nautilus an incredible deal?

The movement is obviously legit.
I suppose it's possible that the dial, case and bracelet are fake although unlikely because the movement is obviously real.

powerfunk · 10 October 2013, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by shnxx

Isn't $10K for a nautilus an incredible deal?

The movement is obviously legit.
I suppose it's possible that the dial, case and bracelet are fake although unlikely because the movement is obviously real.

A few millimeters in size can have a huge impact on value. Which is why 40mm Tudor subs are worth about 3x what 35mm models cost.

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Puffy · 10 October 2013, 06:52 AM

provided it's all original and unmolested then why not... and that you don't mind the smaller size...

skippy1416 · 10 October 2013, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by powerfunk

A few millimeters in size can have a huge impact on value. Which is why 40mm Tudor subs are worth about 3x what 35mm models cost.

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The size definitely has an enormous impact on value. Check out the price difference between the 5065 and 5066 Aquanauts.

I love the 3800 and I would go for it. Seems like good value to me (but I do like smaller watches).

shnxx · 10 October 2013, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by powerfunk

A few millimeters in size can have a huge impact on value. Which is why 40mm Tudor subs are worth about 3x what 35mm models cost.

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Hm yeah I guess it is on the smaller side even among Pateks.
Even the 43mm 5711 wears more like a 40mm Rolex due to the short lug to lug length.
This one must be diminutive in comparison to behemoths like 42mm Royal Oak Offshore.

CoreyJv401 · 31 December 2020, 04:17 AM

I hope you grabbed her, she’s worth like triple that now lol

sliq · 31 December 2020, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by CoreyJv401

I hope you grabbed her, she’s worth like triple that now lol

How about an all gold one?

CoreyJv401 · 1 January 2021, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by sliq

How about an all gold one?

I’d like to say an all good 3800 is worth close to 50 clean with some if not all paperwork. Considering I just paid 47 for mine lol

7 October 2013, 11:16 PM	#2
tavv160 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Real Name: Tony Location: UK Watch: AP, Rolex, JLC... Posts: 631	For CHF 100 you can get extracts from the PP archives. I would highly recommend you ask the seller to include those before considering the purchase. I am not sure if you are fully aware that this model is about 5mm smaller than the normal Nautilus. 5mm is quite a difference, so try it on before buying it. The watch seems legit from the pictures though. Is the seller a professional seller? I am always quite wary of pictures of the movement outside of the case when the seller is not a professional seller. There is a reason why the movements are manufactured in dust-free rooms, and if this is an individual that just opened up the case I would not touch it, as PP service costs and times can be hardcore. Hope that helps. __________________ Kind Regards, Tony.

8 October 2013, 04:02 AM	#7
tavv160 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Real Name: Tony Location: UK Watch: AP, Rolex, JLC... Posts: 631	US$10k (€7400) isn't bad for that watch. In Europe they sell between €10-12k. But I had a look at it before, but because of the size I decided not to go for it. I was afraid I would get a Nautilus that just was not what I was looking for. I decided to go for an AP RO and decided to get the Nautilus I really want when I am able to find one, i.e. the 5711 or 5712. __________________ Kind Regards, Tony.

10 October 2013, 06:52 AM	#12
Puffy "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 12,485	provided it's all original and unmolested then why not... and that you don't mind the smaller size... __________________ Fine Quality is Long Remembered After the Pain of Spending Money is Forgotten

7 October 2013, 11:32 PM	#3
kilyung 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,873	An uncased Nautilus... not something you see everyday.

8 October 2013, 01:45 AM	#5
bobrowiec12 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Paris Posts: 82	The seller is a professional, he owned a watch shop in the past. The watch is proposed for a good price and fair.... 10 kusd. What do you think?

8 October 2013, 01:51 AM	#6
kilyung 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,873	Tbh, for that much, I'd get an AP 15300/15400 for a similar Genta derived design in a larger case size.

10 October 2013, 05:41 AM	#8
jon_jon "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA Posts: 4,341	The 3800 was in production for many years. $10K USD is not a bad price, but when this watch was purchased originally from an AD, the original purchase price was probably only a fraction of the current selling price. I would ask when this watch was produced or first purchased. The Extract from the archives should have this information.

10 October 2013, 05:53 AM	#9
breitlingherst "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: East Coast US Watch: Richard Mille... Posts: 450	For 10k, the watch should have box/papers and a recent service.

10 October 2013, 06:01 AM	#10
shnxx "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,120	Isn't $10K for a nautilus an incredible deal? The movement is obviously legit. I suppose it's possible that the dial, case and bracelet are fake although unlikely because the movement is obviously real.

31 December 2020, 04:17 AM	#15
CoreyJv401 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: Rhode island Posts: 6	I hope you grabbed her, she’s worth like triple that now lol

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