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Watchvirgin · 16 March 2012, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by azguy

Do I care about members that pledge or don't pledge, not really.

Do I care about frequent sellers, YES !!! They should all be Pledge Members. In fact, I think any seller should be, it's like a one time $25 commission, hardly unreasonable

John, that is what I was trying to say. It really came out in a different manner than the point I was trying to convey!!

Thanks for that!!!!

johnbeth · 16 March 2012, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by azguy

Do I care about members that pledge or don't pledge, not really.

Do I care about frequent sellers, YES !!! They should all be Pledge Members. In fact, I think any seller should be, it's like a one time $25 commission, hardly unreasonable

I agree with this and the OP of the thread however I do find it funny when the OP has not even bothered pleging himself!

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Originally Posted by Watchvirgin

John, that is what I was trying to say. It really came out in a different manner than the point I was trying to convey!!

Thanks for that!!!!

Poeple would have taken you more seriously if you were a current pledge member.

tranny · 16 March 2012, 11:43 AM

I want to clearly state that I do not ever plan to pledge here, and I think some of the attitudes displayed in this thread are way off base.

1. The owner of the board has the ability to charge but chooses to make it free. That is commendable. If the owner ever really had issues paying for the upkeep, he/she/they could add advertisements, and easily cover that cost. Forums of this scale are very cheap to operate (Easily < $1,000 per year if you know what you're doing). Thankfully, the owner doesn't beg us to pledge. I hate that about Wikipedia. They shove 1000px by 200px banners down your throat asking you to pledge so you don't have to look at other much less intrusive banner ads. Ridiculous.

2. If costs increased to become a burden, I personally would rather see ads and know the owner is making money to subsidize the cost of keeping it free for members than be imposed on to pay myself. I voice that opinion by not pledging.

3. I am already contributing value to this website in the form of User Generated Content, which the owner is building equity on. In case you're not aware, forums' value is entirely based on UGC. Every post and every watch successfully sold increases TRF's value. That's enough in my opinion. I've personally run forums for free before, and the sale MORE than covered the past costs of operations, to the extent of profits on the order of 5 figures. TRF would probably realize the owner a profit of 6 figures... based on our content. That's enough giving back. Seriously, do you think you should donate to Facebook for the awesome site MZuck built for you? No. He's already made 100 billion off your content. That's enough.

4. Sellers should not pledge for a feeling of obligation to other members. They should upgrade because it gives them better tools for selling. More messages, for example. I've inquired on a couple watches from non-premium members and didn't get through because of a full inbox. If a seller doesn't care about losing buyers, then they shouldn't upgrade / pledge. Period.

5. Finally, no member here should have to worry about people being disdainful about their desire not to pledge. That is an antiquated elitist mentality not pertinent in the web of today. Optional is optional. The owner didn't give us members an option so other members could make us feel like crap about exercising it. Making people feel obligated to upgrade to be part of an old boys network has no place in what should be a community of equals.

threemonkeys · 16 March 2012, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by transio

I want to clearly state that I do not plan to ever pledge here, and I think some of the attitudes displayed in this thread are deplorable. The owner of the board has the ability to charge but chooses to make it free. That is commendable, but I would rather see ads and know the owner is making money to subsidize the cost of keeping it free for members than be imposed on to pay myself. I should not have to worry about people being disdainful about my desire not to pledge to a forum to which I am
already contributing my valuable content (which the owner is building equity on).

That is an old school mentality not pertinent in the web of today. I hate that about Wikipedia. They shove 1000px by 200px banners down your throat asking you to pledge so you don't have to look at other much less intrusive banner ads. Ridiculous.

Same thing here. Optional is optional. The owner didn't give us members an option so other members could make us feel like crap about exercising it.

For what it's worth, every post and every watch successfully sold increases TRF's value. That's enough in my opinion. I've run a number of forums, and upgrades are nice, but making people feel obligated to upgrade to be part of an old boys network is antiquated and has no place in what should be a community of equals.

Good points, Steve. Those that choose not to pay are still valuable members of the group.

tranny · 16 March 2012, 12:12 PM

Haha, you speed-quoted me before I modified my post. :) I think my original was a little harsh, and missed some important points. So everyone ignore that quoted post and read my new one! ;-)

figbo · 16 March 2012, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by FeelingTheBlues

Sophism at its best...

Shut up Carl,I'm still blind by your bling!!

figbo · 16 March 2012, 12:52 PM

If I have to pledge money to support the best watch forum in the net,let it be.It's not much,I've been doing it since the getgo,'cause if I don't,I won't be able to open the bar and serve the most delicious floaters in the world!

FeelingTheBlues · 16 March 2012, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by figbo

Shut up Carl,I'm still blind by your bling!!

Never judge a philosopher by his bling, Raf!

figbo · 16 March 2012, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by FeelingTheBlues

Never judge a philosopher by his bling, Raf!

It's like I always say,haters be hating!

Jocke · 16 March 2012, 01:03 PM

If you don't want to pledge you can always put some $$ to my PP account.

So long the pledge membership is not a constraint, I see no problem. Do what you like and let the rest do the same.

FeelingTheBlues · 16 March 2012, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jocke

If you don't want to pledge you can always put some $$ to my PP account.

So long the pledge membership is not a constraint, I see no problem. Do what you like and let the rest do the same.

PP as in PayPal or Patek Philippe? If it's the second one you're going to need much more than 66 000 members...

dalip · 16 March 2012, 01:13 PM

Wow...the philosophizing of pledge membership .....

"To be or not to be ......"

EE33 · 16 March 2012, 01:14 PM

I'm pretty sure the majority of the funds go towards purchasing the prizes which us pledged members stand a chance of winning.
The prizes aren't cheap either.

Jocke · 16 March 2012, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by FeelingTheBlues

PP as in PayPal or Patek Philippe? If it's the second one you're going to need much more than 66 000 members...

Whatever you like but why not put in some more so I don't need so many member's?

figbo · 16 March 2012, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dalip

Wow...the philosophizing of pledge membership .....

"To be or not to be ......"

Beth!

dalip · 16 March 2012, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by figbo

Beth!

Denmark.....not Scotland in this case

figbo · 16 March 2012, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by EE33

I'm pretty sure the majority of the funds go towards purchasing the prizes which us pledged members stand a chance of winning.
The prizes aren't cheap either.

The plane,boss,the plane!!!

EE33 · 16 March 2012, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by figbo

The plane,boss,the plane!!!

Yours awaits you here in Perth, Western Australia Boss.

It's even got your name on it Raf!!!

threemonkeys · 16 March 2012, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by transio

Haha, you speed-quoted me before I modified my post. :) I think my original was a little harsh, and missed some important points. So everyone ignore that quoted post and read my new one! ;-)

No worries at all. The bottom line is we all care a lot about the TRF community. As such, it's easy to have our opinions taken wrong or somehow causing offense.

There's really very nice members on either side of this 'argument'. And at the end of the day, we shake hands and move on

FeelingTheBlues · 16 March 2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by threemonkeys

No worries at all. The bottom line is we all care a lot about the TRF community. As such, it's easy to have our opinions taken wrong or somehow causing offense.

There's really very nice members (especially Carl, my role model) on either side of this 'argument'. And at the end of the day, we shake hands and move on

Why thank you Craig! You aren't bad either!

figbo · 16 March 2012, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by EE33

Yours awaits you here in Perth, Western Australia Boss.

It's even got your name on it Raf!!!

I have to go to Australia just for that,Des!

Spunga · 18 March 2012, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by FeelingTheBlues

Sophism at its best...

I have to admit I had to google the meaning.

I'm still not sure if your being nasty or not.

Andad · 18 March 2012, 07:19 PM

I think Karl nailed it.

A flawed argument superficially correct in its reasoning, usually designed to deceive.

I should not have to worry about people being disdainful about my desire not to pledge to a forum to which I am
already contributing my valuable content (which the owner is building equity on).

I would like to thank Steve (Transio) sincerely for this valuable contribution to my TRF education.

Cru Jones · 18 March 2012, 07:37 PM

Anything pledge-related is up to the owner and shouldn't be a subject for debate, IMO. As to frequent sellers who don't support the site, you know who they are, and if it bothers you, there's a simple solution: don't buy from them.

HL65 · 18 March 2012, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by directioneng

I think Karl nailed it.

A flawed argument superficially correct in its reasoning, usually designed to deceive.

I should not have to worry about people being disdainful about my desire not to pledge to a forum to which I am
already contributing my valuable content (which the owner is building equity on).

I would like to thank Steve (Transio) sincerely for this valuable contribution to my TRF education.

Spunga · 18 March 2012, 08:49 PM

I wasn't trying to deceive anybody, not intentionally.

I admit to claim I have saved more in terms of money through the experience of others and the knowledge gained from them than I have donated and that is my problem to try to deal with by hopefully making some knowledgable contribution back that helps others.

I have no problem and don't care if the site makes a profit, it's irrelevant to me if this is so.

What I do know in simple terms is that I can afford a watch most people can't. I come to fleece knowledge for my own good, I will endeavour to give something back, but in the interim I have no issue with a donation so insignificant it's cost me more money in terms of time to type this response.

I host multiple online gaming servers and provide a support website and forum myself, also based on a donation system. All free to play!!!
Donations reflect that people understand the work and effort that goes into providing such resources that benefits them in some way and their gratitude is reflected in their donation.

I think making a jibe at me for being a deceitful person is not correct, but, your entitled to your opinion, even if it's wrong.

Have a great day!!!

Andad · 18 March 2012, 08:54 PM

Paul,

There were no comments of jibes aimed at you.

capote · 18 March 2012, 08:57 PM

Do or don't.

Spunga · 18 March 2012, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by capote

Do or don't.

Thank you. Corrected.

padi56 · 18 March 2012, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directioneng

I think Karl nailed it.

A flawed argument superficially correct in its reasoning, usually designed to deceive.

I should not have to worry about people being disdainful about my desire not to pledge to a forum to which I am
already contributing my valuable content (which the owner is building equity on).

I would like to thank Steve (Transio) sincerely for this valuable contribution to my TRF education.

And thanks from myself its really nice and for the educational from Steve (Transio) .

16 March 2012, 12:52 PM	#37
figbo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: El Raf-O Location: florida Watch: tt GMT2c,Omega Posts: 19,687	If I have to pledge money to support the best watch forum in the net,let it be.It's not much,I've been doing it since the getgo,'cause if I don't,I won't be able to open the bar and serve the most delicious floaters in the world! __________________ member # 9862 Best bartender in the world!! Last of the Bastid Tossers p club member #9

16 March 2012, 01:03 PM	#40
Jocke 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Jocke Location: Sweden Watch: A dozen of Rolex's Posts: 22,518	If you don't want to pledge you can always put some $$ to my PP account. So long the pledge membership is not a constraint, I see no problem. Do what you like and let the rest do the same. __________________ This message is written in perfect swenglish. What is best a custom Rolex or a Rolex that is stuck in custom? Buy a professional camera and you´re a professional photographer, buy a flute and you own a flute.

16 March 2012, 01:13 PM	#42
dalip "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Dalip Location: Mumbai and Perth Watch: Rolex PAM Omega Posts: 18,656	Wow...the philosophizing of pledge membership ..... "To be or not to be ......" __________________ ------------------------------------------------------------ *"The liar's punishment is not in the least that he is not believed, but that he cannot believe anyone else." George Bernard Shaw*

16 March 2012, 01:14 PM	#43
EE33 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Des Location: China Watch: 16613 16710 116520 Posts: 2,841	I'm pretty sure the majority of the funds go towards purchasing the prizes which us pledged members stand a chance of winning. The prizes aren't cheap either. __________________ *TRFs "after Dark" bar and NightClub Addict* Punctuality is the courtesy shown only by Kings Dalip: "GTG posts are worthless without pics, absolutely worthless"

18 March 2012, 07:19 PM	#53
Andad 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 36,887	I think Karl nailed it. A flawed argument superficially correct in its reasoning, usually designed to deceive. I should not have to worry about people being disdainful about my desire not to pledge to a forum to which I am already contributing my valuable content (which the owner is building equity on). I would like to thank Steve (Transio) sincerely for this valuable contribution to my TRF education. __________________ E

16 March 2012, 11:43 AM	#33
tranny Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: Steve Location: Boston, MA Watch: 116509,A21330,MVQV Posts: 773	I want to clearly state that I do not ever plan to pledge here, and I think some of the attitudes displayed in this thread are way off base. 1. The owner of the board has the ability to charge but chooses to make it free. That is commendable. If the owner ever really had issues paying for the upkeep, he/she/they could add advertisements, and easily cover that cost. Forums of this scale are very cheap to operate (Easily < $1,000 per year if you know what you're doing). Thankfully, the owner doesn't beg us to pledge. I hate that about Wikipedia. They shove 1000px by 200px banners down your throat asking you to pledge so you don't have to look at other much less intrusive banner ads. Ridiculous. 2. If costs increased to become a burden, I personally would rather see ads and know the owner is making money to subsidize the cost of keeping it free for members than be imposed on to pay myself. I voice that opinion by not pledging. 3. I am already contributing value to this website in the form of User Generated Content, which the owner is building equity on. In case you're not aware, forums' value is entirely based on UGC. Every post and every watch successfully sold increases TRF's value. That's enough in my opinion. I've personally run forums for free before, and the sale MORE than covered the past costs of operations, to the extent of profits on the order of 5 figures. TRF would probably realize the owner a profit of 6 figures... based on our content. That's enough giving back. Seriously, do you think you should donate to Facebook for the awesome site MZuck built for you? No. He's already made 100 billion off your content. That's enough. 4. Sellers should not pledge for a feeling of obligation to other members. They should upgrade because it gives them better tools for selling. More messages, for example. I've inquired on a couple watches from non-premium members and didn't get through because of a full inbox. If a seller doesn't care about losing buyers, then they shouldn't upgrade / pledge. Period. 5. Finally, no member here should have to worry about people being disdainful about their desire not to pledge. That is an antiquated elitist mentality not pertinent in the web of today. Optional is optional. The owner didn't give us members an option so other members could make us feel like crap about exercising it. Making people feel obligated to upgrade to be part of an old boys network has no place in what should be a community of equals.

16 March 2012, 12:12 PM	#35
tranny Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: Steve Location: Boston, MA Watch: 116509,A21330,MVQV Posts: 773	Haha, you speed-quoted me before I modified my post. :) I think my original was a little harsh, and missed some important points. So everyone ignore that quoted post and read my new one! ;-)

18 March 2012, 07:37 PM	#54
Cru Jones 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Paris, France Posts: 34,547	Anything pledge-related is up to the owner and shouldn't be a subject for debate, IMO. As to frequent sellers who don't support the site, you know who they are, and if it bothers you, there's a simple solution: don't buy from them.

18 March 2012, 08:49 PM	#56
Spunga Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: England Posts: 650	I wasn't trying to deceive anybody, not intentionally. I admit to claim I have saved more in terms of money through the experience of others and the knowledge gained from them than I have donated and that is my problem to try to deal with by hopefully making some knowledgable contribution back that helps others. I have no problem and don't care if the site makes a profit, it's irrelevant to me if this is so. What I do know in simple terms is that I can afford a watch most people can't. I come to fleece knowledge for my own good, I will endeavour to give something back, but in the interim I have no issue with a donation so insignificant it's cost me more money in terms of time to type this response. I host multiple online gaming servers and provide a support website and forum myself, also based on a donation system. All free to play!!! Donations reflect that people understand the work and effort that goes into providing such resources that benefits them in some way and their gratitude is reflected in their donation. I think making a jibe at me for being a deceitful person is not correct, but, your entitled to your opinion, even if it's wrong. Have a great day!!!

18 March 2012, 08:54 PM	#57
Andad 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 36,887	Paul, There were no comments of jibes aimed at you. __________________ E

18 March 2012, 08:57 PM	#58
capote "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Real Name: Daniel Location: Sweden Watch: 16570 Posts: 7,315	Do or don't.

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