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watchmaniac · 28 January 2016, 05:24 AM

I am in the market for a submariner. This is my grail watch. The Submariner has always been my ultimate men's watch. Looks great with surf trunks or a suit. Only issue I'm having is ceramic or classic sub. I love both. I feel if I go with the 16610 I will always regret not getting the most recent release. There's a $1,000 difference between the two. I would get pre-owned due to the price. I'm leaning toward the classic due to the durability of the bezel insert. Scared I may crack the ceramic bezel knocking it into something. Help me decide.

Rowlf · 28 January 2016, 05:30 AM

Would you prefer the maxi case or the older case?

Do you want slightly improved lume?

There may be a slightly different/upgraded movement in the newer version which would mean longer service intervals potentially, is that important?

Is the updated bracelet something you're interested in?

How often do you make a purchase and then immediately think "I wish I'd gone with the other one"?

Have fun!

Cheers,

Ben

Robrob777 · 28 January 2016, 05:33 AM

Submariner Ceramic gets my vote. Bigger insert, glossy. No problems so far with mine. Bigger case looks much better too imo, bracelet is nicer too. Had both.

sco · 28 January 2016, 05:37 AM

Lot's of threads on this. You will hear positives and negatives for both models. If you really like the Ceramic, go for it. There are not very many reports of broken inserts on TRF. I got my 116610 two years ago, and it looks amazing. Good luck on your choice

kultschar · 28 January 2016, 05:40 AM

I don't think you have much to worry about ceramic inserts - ultra rare they break in my opinion!!!! Ive hit mine accidentally hard quite a few times - looks brand new!!

mannyv11 · 28 January 2016, 05:46 AM

I have had both and can say that I enjoy the ceramic model more than I did the previous version. I have had my sub for 2 and a half years or so and the bezel/insert still look just as good as the day that I bought it and I have dinged it on many things and have had it pretty hard in the process.

Bad thing is the replacement cost of the bezel if it is ever needed compared to the few dollars it is to replace an aluminum insert. Regular wear you shouldn't have to worry about it.

plus the glidelock clasp that comes on the current version is possible the best part of the entire package. Makes micro/large adjustments a breeze and truly makes it one of the most comfortable watches around.

LazyDaniel · 28 January 2016, 05:53 AM

I'd get the 116610. The bracelet, the lume, and the ceramic bezel makes all the difference.

AK797 · 28 January 2016, 06:01 AM

Go for the newer it seems that's what you really want.

Bafflingbs · 28 January 2016, 06:02 AM

I went with the latest.

Thailawson · 28 January 2016, 06:02 AM

New sub gets my note.

I think the ceramic bezel looks more luxurious.

The super cases looks more robust and I like that in a sports watch.

Golfster · 28 January 2016, 06:03 AM

Ahh, the 16610. Perhaps the penultimate of the sculpted case, aluminum bezel watches.

kirksingleton · 28 January 2016, 06:03 AM

I have both and really like the newer models myself.

Gerry62 · 28 January 2016, 06:10 AM

Ceramic ...... a new world ...... Blue lume . new bracelet and new dial 116610 for me

watchmaniac · 28 January 2016, 07:23 AM

Ceramic it is. Love the lume, maxi dial, and new robust case design. Definitely worth the few extra months to put more money aside for. Thanks guys.

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rod727 · 28 January 2016, 07:54 AM

116610 here from DavidSW. I suffered from same dilemma until I tried on a ceramic. Mine arrived yesterday so I'm only 24 hrs in but so far I haven't said "boy I wish I had bought the 16610"

T01 · 28 January 2016, 07:55 AM

Currently have both, hard to say anything bad about either. Really just depends on your preference!

nyyankees · 28 January 2016, 08:04 AM

I've had both. Both are great. If I hadn't done a couple foolish trades which cost me money I would go with the ceramic again. The bracelet alone is worth the extra money. Unfortunately I traded mine to two new watches - big mistake and In a series of trades ended up with a V serial 16610 which I love but if I hadn't squandered my cash I'd go back to ceramic..

FTX I · 28 January 2016, 08:07 AM

Both great IMO. If I could adjust the bracelet with 4 links at 6 o'clock I'd have a 5 digit.

Stuxnet · 28 January 2016, 08:16 AM

Do you prefer blondes or brunettes? Personal preference. It will come to you. No wrong choice.

landroverking · 28 January 2016, 08:20 AM

One has classic lines. The other just another Rolex. Guest which one gets my vote.
In other words the older the better.

ltmgeller · 28 January 2016, 08:22 AM

Go for the ceramic. It's very hard to damage. I abuse mine and it looks brand new. I slammed my DSSD on a shark cage a couple of times and thought I damaged the watch. Turns out it was just paint transfer from the cage.

fskywalker · 28 January 2016, 08:30 AM

Answer is simple: 16610 !!!

AboutTime · 28 January 2016, 08:50 AM

Vintage looks cool but the latest is a better tool (IMO).

Chad M · 28 January 2016, 08:52 AM

Keep in mind that 5yr warranty.

xelor69 · 28 January 2016, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fskywalker

Answer is simple: 16610 !!!

fskywalker · 28 January 2016, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by landroverking

One has classic lines. The other just another Rolex. Guest which one gets my vote.
In other words the older the better.

This!

nick c · 28 January 2016, 10:15 AM

Older 16610

SLS · 28 January 2016, 10:16 AM

Older 16610

novocainekarma · 28 January 2016, 10:21 AM

16600. Classics all the way for me.
Had a 116610, didnt last long. The ceramic is too shiny for my tastes.

WJGESQ · 28 January 2016, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by watchmaniac

I am in the market for a submariner. This is my grail watch. The Submariner has always been my ultimate men's watch. Looks great with surf trunks or a suit. Only issue I'm having is ceramic or classic sub. I love both. I feel if I go with the 16610 I will always regret not getting the most recent release. There's a $1,000 difference between the two. I would get pre-owned due to the price. I'm leaning toward the classic due to the durability of the bezel insert. Scared I may crack the ceramic bezel knocking it into something. Help me decide.

The new subs are quite improved. Go hold both in your hand and you'll likely go ceramic.

28 January 2016, 05:24 AM	#1
watchmaniac "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Real Name: Michael Location: TEXAS Watch: Rolex Submariner Posts: 467	Sub 16610 or 116610 I am in the market for a submariner. This is my grail watch. The Submariner has always been my ultimate men's watch. Looks great with surf trunks or a suit. Only issue I'm having is ceramic or classic sub. I love both. I feel if I go with the 16610 I will always regret not getting the most recent release. There's a $1,000 difference between the two. I would get pre-owned due to the price. I'm leaning toward the classic due to the durability of the bezel insert. Scared I may crack the ceramic bezel knocking it into something. Help me decide.

28 January 2016, 08:30 AM	#22
fskywalker 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Real Name: Francisco Location: San Juan, PR Watch: Is Ticking ! Posts: 24,584	Answer is simple: 16610 !!! __________________ Francisco ♛ 16610 / 116264 Ω 168.022 / 2535.80.00 / 2230.50.00 Zenith 02.470.405 Henry Archer Eclipse 2FA security enabled

28 January 2016, 10:16 AM	#28
SLS "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Scott Location: GMT -7 Watch: GMT's & Sub's Posts: 10,399	Older 16610 __________________ "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of lower price is forgotten." -Benjamin Franklin Member No. 922

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28 January 2016, 05:30 AM	#2
Rowlf Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: USA Posts: 336	Would you prefer the maxi case or the older case? Do you want slightly improved lume? There may be a slightly different/upgraded movement in the newer version which would mean longer service intervals potentially, is that important? Is the updated bracelet something you're interested in? How often do you make a purchase and then immediately think "I wish I'd gone with the other one"? Have fun! Cheers, Ben

28 January 2016, 05:33 AM	#3
Robrob777 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: WA Posts: 272	Submariner Ceramic gets my vote. Bigger insert, glossy. No problems so far with mine. Bigger case looks much better too imo, bracelet is nicer too. Had both.

28 January 2016, 05:37 AM	#4
sco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Chicago Watch: Subc AT 8500 CSO Posts: 3,646	Lot's of threads on this. You will hear positives and negatives for both models. If you really like the Ceramic, go for it. There are not very many reports of broken inserts on TRF. I got my 116610 two years ago, and it looks amazing. Good luck on your choice

28 January 2016, 05:40 AM	#5
kultschar "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: End of the World Watch: PP & Rolex Posts: 1,970	I don't think you have much to worry about ceramic inserts - ultra rare they break in my opinion!!!! Ive hit mine accidentally hard quite a few times - looks brand new!!

28 January 2016, 05:46 AM	#6
mannyv11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Real Name: Manny Location: MA Watch: DD,Sub,GMT,Daytona Posts: 4,442	I have had both and can say that I enjoy the ceramic model more than I did the previous version. I have had my sub for 2 and a half years or so and the bezel/insert still look just as good as the day that I bought it and I have dinged it on many things and have had it pretty hard in the process. Bad thing is the replacement cost of the bezel if it is ever needed compared to the few dollars it is to replace an aluminum insert. Regular wear you shouldn't have to worry about it. plus the glidelock clasp that comes on the current version is possible the best part of the entire package. Makes micro/large adjustments a breeze and truly makes it one of the most comfortable watches around.

28 January 2016, 05:53 AM	#7
LazyDaniel "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Real Name: Daniel Location: New York City Watch: 116500LN Posts: 166	I'd get the 116610. The bracelet, the lume, and the ceramic bezel makes all the difference.

28 January 2016, 06:01 AM	#8
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,214	Go for the newer it seems that's what you really want.

28 January 2016, 06:02 AM	#9
Bafflingbs "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Real Name: Howard Location: Md. Watch: 116610ln Posts: 223	I went with the latest.

28 January 2016, 06:02 AM	#10
Thailawson "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: South Posts: 187	New sub gets my note. I think the ceramic bezel looks more luxurious. The super cases looks more robust and I like that in a sports watch.

28 January 2016, 06:03 AM	#11
Golfster "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: NorCal Posts: 722	Ahh, the 16610. Perhaps the penultimate of the sculpted case, aluminum bezel watches.

28 January 2016, 06:03 AM	#12
kirksingleton "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,759	I have both and really like the newer models myself.

28 January 2016, 06:10 AM	#13
Gerry62 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Italy Watch: Rolex Panerai Posts: 7,123	Ceramic ...... a new world ...... Blue lume . new bracelet and new dial 116610 for me

28 January 2016, 07:23 AM	#14
watchmaniac "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Real Name: Michael Location: TEXAS Watch: Rolex Submariner Posts: 467	Ceramic it is. Love the lume, maxi dial, and new robust case design. Definitely worth the few extra months to put more money aside for. Thanks guys. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

28 January 2016, 07:54 AM	#15
rod727 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: U.S Watch: Submariner 116610 Posts: 646	116610 here from DavidSW. I suffered from same dilemma until I tried on a ceramic. Mine arrived yesterday so I'm only 24 hrs in but so far I haven't said "boy I wish I had bought the 16610"

28 January 2016, 07:55 AM	#16
T01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Real Name: T Location: AZ, NV, CA Posts: 6,481	Currently have both, hard to say anything bad about either. Really just depends on your preference!

28 January 2016, 08:04 AM	#17
nyyankees "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Southeastern PA Watch: 1216610 Posts: 2,131	I've had both. Both are great. If I hadn't done a couple foolish trades which cost me money I would go with the ceramic again. The bracelet alone is worth the extra money. Unfortunately I traded mine to two new watches - big mistake and In a series of trades ended up with a V serial 16610 which I love but if I hadn't squandered my cash I'd go back to ceramic..

28 January 2016, 08:07 AM	#18
FTX I "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Flavio Location: N/A Posts: 14,652	Both great IMO. If I could adjust the bracelet with 4 links at 6 o'clock I'd have a 5 digit.

28 January 2016, 08:16 AM	#19
Stuxnet Banned Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: NYC Posts: 570	Do you prefer blondes or brunettes? Personal preference. It will come to you. No wrong choice.

28 January 2016, 08:20 AM	#20
landroverking "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Jay Location: TEXAS Watch: Daytona Posts: 7,648	One has classic lines. The other just another Rolex. Guest which one gets my vote. In other words the older the better.

28 January 2016, 08:22 AM	#21
ltmgeller 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Real Name: Mike Location: New York Watch: Rolex Posts: 21,336	Go for the ceramic. It's very hard to damage. I abuse mine and it looks brand new. I slammed my DSSD on a shark cage a couple of times and thought I damaged the watch. Turns out it was just paint transfer from the cage.

28 January 2016, 08:50 AM	#23
AboutTime "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: N California Posts: 909	Vintage looks cool but the latest is a better tool (IMO).

28 January 2016, 08:52 AM	#24
Chad M "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 230	Keep in mind that 5yr warranty.

28 January 2016, 10:15 AM	#27
nick c Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 26,846	Older 16610

28 January 2016, 10:21 AM	#29
novocainekarma "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: edinburgh Posts: 55	16600. Classics all the way for me. Had a 116610, didnt last long. The ceramic is too shiny for my tastes.

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