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Patek_collector · 18 September 2021, 11:49 PM

After test driving this beauty, i may get is as an entrance to the FPJ world. It is very discrete and different. I will make my mind in next 2 days and share more picture but it is growing on me. Of course it is from a resale but a good reseller!

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Etschell · 19 September 2021, 12:14 AM

nice watch. im a fan of big dates.

llngoc · 19 September 2021, 12:49 AM

Go for it!

JakeK · 19 September 2021, 12:58 AM

Looks great! Go for it.

Skyrider01 · 19 September 2021, 02:16 AM

One of my favorite Journes! You won’t regret getting it.

Chiboy · 19 September 2021, 08:34 AM

The reflection on the crown makes it look bent, but other than that optical illusion, it looks very nice!

ap1 · 19 September 2021, 08:42 AM

Approved

usmc_k9_vet · 19 September 2021, 09:17 AM

Stunning. Such a warm, great looking watch.

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crod · 19 September 2021, 12:31 PM

That's a great choice!!!!

pp3355 · 19 September 2021, 03:36 PM

Why I always hesitate about getting an FPJ is: servicing

Will these be serviced in 50 years?

What about even in 10?

WatchEater666 · 19 September 2021, 04:05 PM

Do these have stamped dials like the other FPJs?

rolexpatek363 · 19 September 2021, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by pp3355

Why I always hesitate about getting an FPJ is: servicing

Will these be serviced in 50 years?

What about even in 10?

As long as there are watchmakers, they will continue to service mechanical watches from any brand.

rolexpatek363 · 19 September 2021, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by WatchEater666

Do these have stamped dials like the other FPJs?

Guilloche, or engine-turned as you can see.

ajw45 · 19 September 2021, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

Guilloche, or engine-turned as you can see.

Yeah no, those are stamped.

llngoc · 20 September 2021, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by pp3355

Why I always hesitate about getting an FPJ is: servicing

Will these be serviced in 50 years?

What about even in 10?

Same goes for any independent. But FPJ is planning for his eventual departure with the investment from Chanel’s owner brothers. His plan is to make sure the brand will continue on as an independent without being gobble up by a large watch group.

rolexpatek363 · 20 September 2021, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ajw45

Yeah no, those are stamped.

Do you have a source for that? I can't imagine how a guilloche dial can be stamped.

ajw45 · 20 September 2021, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

Do you have a source for that? I can't imagine how a guilloche dial can be stamped.

I don't off hand but there's plenty of information out there. Obviously FPJ won't tell you that so you'll have to google but in person if you look at a CS vs something that is in fact engine turned like a Breguet I think the difference is quite visible.

rolexpatek363 · 20 September 2021, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ajw45

I don't off hand but there's plenty of information out there. Obviously FPJ won't tell you that so you'll have to google but in person if you look at a CS vs something that is in fact engine turned like a Breguet I think the difference is quite visible.

I've Googled it, and I think your information is bogus. I can't find anything which says the dials are not guilloche. Guilloche is the same thing as engine-turned, by the way.

Are you suggesting that FPJ are misrepresenting their products?

enjoythemusic · 20 September 2021, 10:48 AM

Strong buy for the sheer love and passion of horology.

ajw45 · 20 September 2021, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

I've Googled it, and I think your information is bogus. I can't find anything which says the dials are not guilloche. Guilloche is the same thing as engine-turned, by the way.

Are you suggesting that FPJ are misrepresenting their products?

Lol, believe what you like, don't let me spoil the taste of the cool aid.

TimeLord2 · 20 September 2021, 12:07 PM

Oh… it's brown. Have you thought about that?

TimeLord2 · 20 September 2021, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TimeLord2

Oh… it's brown. Have you thought about that?

Edit: Perhaps I sould qualify that. Joke.

llngoc · 21 September 2021, 12:11 AM

OP: Did you pull the trigger? More pics please.

WatchEater666 · 21 September 2021, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

I've Googled it, and I think your information is bogus. I can't find anything which says the dials are not guilloche. Guilloche is the same thing as engine-turned, by the way.

Are you suggesting that FPJ are misrepresenting their products?

There are plenty of mentions of it on this forum, WPS and other forums. IE
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...=611633&page=2

rolexpatek363 · 21 September 2021, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by WatchEater666

There are plenty of mentions of it on this forum, WPS and other forums. IE
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...=611633&page=2

Yes, the only references I could find to "stamped guilloche dials" is online watch forums, and nowhere else. I don't think the people making these assertions have any credibility.

FPJ say they are guilloche, the watch journalists agree, and I think it would be quite a serious matter if that was not true.

rolexpatek363 · 21 September 2021, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ajw45

Lol, believe what you like, don't let me spoil the taste of the cool aid.

I can believe what I like? Gee, thanks buddy.

WatchEater666 · 21 September 2021, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

Yes, the only references I could find to "stamped guilloche dials" is online watch forums, and nowhere else. I don't think the people making these assertions have any credibility.

FPJ say they are guilloche, the watch journalists agree, and I think it would be quite a serious matter if that was not true.

Email them and verify?

rolexpatek363 · 21 September 2021, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by WatchEater666

Email them and verify?

Email who? Anonymous forum-dwellers who don't post any references to their assertions, or FP Journe?

I wouldn't want to waste his time if the latter, nor my time if the former.

ajw45 · 21 September 2021, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

Email who? Anonymous forum-dwellers who don't post any references to their assertions, or FP Journe?

I wouldn't want to waste his time if the latter, nor my time if the former.

Hahahahahaha, this is exactly my point. You choose to believe rather than to know because you don't want to "waste" your time with facts.

I'll let you in on a little secret, just because you can't "imagine" how a guilloche pattern can be stamped, cnced, or otherwise created not on a traditional hand guided lathe doesn't mean it isn't true. Whether you believe it or not, the world is not limited by what you can or cannot imagine.

rolexpatek363 · 21 September 2021, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ajw45

Hahahahahaha, this is exactly my point. You choose to believe rather than to know because you don't want to "waste" your time with facts.

I'll let you in on a little secret, just because you can't "imagine" how a guilloche pattern can be stamped, cnced, or otherwise created not on a traditional hand guided lathe doesn't mean it isn't true. Whether you believe it or not, the world is not limited by what you can or cannot imagine.

The overriding point is that if what you are alleging is true, then FPJ could be prosecuted under the Trades Descriptions Act, here in the UK, and I would imagine other countries have similar legislation.

It seems unlikely that what you are alleging is true. Can you post a credible source?

Why the "Hahahahahaha" at the start of your post, btw? What's funny?

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usmc_k9_vet "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Issaquah Posts: 1,599	Stunning. Such a warm, great looking watch. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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pp3355 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: UK Posts: 34	Why I always hesitate about getting an FPJ is: servicing Will these be serviced in 50 years? What about even in 10?

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