The future for the 15202ST

[Fabes]

Just wondering what the future for the 15202ST since it is going to be replaced and if you guys had any thoughts and predictions?

My predictions so far are:

- New AP movement
- Change of color (eg. discontinuing the blue dial like how Patek did with the 5711 and replacing it with a different color)
^This might even affect the grey market price of the 15500ST blue dial

[VogelPhoenix]

Originally Posted by Fabes

- Change of color (eg. discontinuing the blue dial like how Patek did with the 5711 and replacing it with a different color)

Possible, but hopefully not green, which is a bit played out at this point (although the recent YG/bright green chronos are awesome).

[Submaster1675]

According to the discussion I had with my AD at the beginning of the month:
- Update of the movement (modified, new ??)
- A blue dial should still exist, but not the same blue one.

Obviously, everything can be different when the replacement is presented :-)

[AK797]

I can't see them discoing the iconic blue, just as PP will intro the new 5711 or maybe 6711 with a blue dial option I'm sure. They had a white 202 prior to the 40th anniv edition and that did not sell that well hence the re-imagining of the original.

[fsprow]

Not a prediction but I would favor no changes except a composite or titanium case.

[Comebackbaby]

Originally Posted by fsprow

Not a prediction but I would favor no changes except a composite or titanium case.

The movement objectively needs updating. The 15202 is better served stored in a safe or on display than it is on someone’s wrist…

[fsprow]

Originally Posted by Comebackbaby

The movement objectively needs updating. The 15202 is better served stored in a safe or on display than it is on someone’s wrist…

Mine have been running, rock climbing, swimming, playing golf and many other sports without a bit of a problem.

[macrowatch]

Originally Posted by AK797

I can't see them discoing the iconic blue, just as PP will intro the new 5711 or maybe 6711 with a blue dial option I'm sure. They had a white 202 prior to the 40th anniv edition and that did not sell that well hence the re-imagining of the original.

It does seem like all the blues are updating though from ROC to PQ, etc. They all have new reference numbers, but I haven't seen say 26331OR blue vs 26239OR blue side by side, even though they are supposed to be different blues. Which blue is more 'iconic'? I don't know.

[911AP]

Originally Posted by fsprow

Mine have been running, rock climbing, swimming, playing golf and many other sports without a bit of a problem.

Mine hasn't had any issues either. The only annoying thing is setting the date....

[Ticking Way]

New AP movement for sure! The caliber 2121 is a great movement, AP needs to update this caliber since it is originally based on the JLC Cal. 920.

While productions have been in the hands of AP for a long time, to collectors it's still a JLC 920 based caliber..... My prediction is an new in-house caliber & the older 15202 will become more desirable.

[Mbbgysam]

I don't think modifying the caliber 2121 is realistically an option... even adding hacking seconds would change the movement architecture. And if you're going that far, you may as well draw a line in the sand and introduce something new of your own.

That leaves us with two options: keep the 2121, or introduce a new ultra-thin movement. I get the impression FHB prefers to make a big splash vs. looking to the past (if the CODE launch was any indication). And they certainly have the tech for a new ultra-thin movement of their own. Heck, they even fit a perpetual calendar in a thinner movement than the 2121 for the RD2! So my vote is a new AP ultra-thin movement in the 15202 replacement.

[charlie2888]

AP and its executives are custodians managing the legacy of arguably the most iconic and important watch ever created. This comes with incredible responsibility.

The proportions and attributes of Genta's original design, from the thinner monobloc case than on the current 15202, to the crown size (different and IMO better proportioned to the case than AP's modern screw-down crowns), dial font and color, bracelet thickness, etc. are all so special and important. And the 2121 movement, with its incredible history, is absolutely critical to the Royal Oak's DNA.

For everyone calling for tweaks to make the 15202 feel like a more modern watch, may I recommend the 15300, 15400 or 15500, or any of the countless other fantastic modern watches AP makes.

AP should always have a watch in its production that pays homage to the original. I wish that for the 50th anniversary they would release a true faithful reissue of the 5402.

[underpar31009]

Originally Posted by charlie2888

AP and its executives are custodians managing the legacy of arguably the most iconic and important watch ever created. This comes with incredible responsibility.

The proportions and attributes of Genta's original design, from the thinner monobloc case than on the current 15202, to the crown size (different and IMO better proportioned to the case than AP's modern screw-down crowns), dial font and color, bracelet thickness, etc. are all so special and important. And the 2121 movement, with its incredible history, is absolutely critical to the Royal Oak's DNA.

For everyone calling for tweaks to make the 15202 feel like a more modern watch, may I recommend the 15300, 15400 or 15500, or any of the countless other fantastic modern watches AP makes.

AP should always have a watch in its production that pays homage to the original. I wish that for the 50th anniversary they would release a true faithful reissue of the 5402.

Yes well said!


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[Tcjreid]

Might a truly faithful version be issued at the original price too? Perhaps a little aspirational!

[cascavel]

Originally Posted by Tcjreid

Might a truly faithful version be issued at the original price too? Perhaps a little aspirational!

What's the original price?

[HMHM]

Quickset date, screw down crown, no second hands, new in-house movement by AP. Thats my prediction.

[Bearxj86]

I feel like AP can't really go wrong here.

1) If they make minor changes/upgrades that make it more wearable and technically improved- it would be immensely popular.

2) If they somehow screw up, you're talking about 2-3 years of no good production piece "jumbo" and the gray market will go completely nuts.

[Tcjreid]

CHF 3,650 I believe.

[cascavel]

Originally Posted by Tcjreid

CHF 3,650 I believe.

I could definitely see that happening and I'll bet it would be easy to get one from any AD or Boutique.

[m3tek44]

Need photos as reference

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[Tcjreid]

Super easy no doubt.

[h.to]

I would guess...

- updated in house movement

- Bulk Metallic Glass Bezel (like the Only One 15202). Watched some interviews from Tide and Watch on Michael Friedman and he seemed to be very excited about BMG on the RO line, I wouldn't be surprised if they updated the RO line incorporating BMG

- updated pricing +10%? AP seems to be upping their prices with every in house movement update (ROO Diver got a healthy price bump once it received a new movement, so did the ROO 43mm when compared to the 44mm)

[DGB]

They need to do a ceramic Jumbo


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[Mini2]

My understanding I won't get one of these too haha

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by DGB

They need to do a ceramic Jumbo

Why bother?

No one but Grey Dealers would be able to get it, anyway.

[macrowatch]

Originally Posted by h.to

I would guess...

- updated in house movement

- Bulk Metallic Glass Bezel (like the Only One 15202). Watched some interviews from Tide and Watch on Michael Friedman and he seemed to be very excited about BMG on the RO line, I wouldn't be surprised if they updated the RO line incorporating BMG

- updated pricing +10%? AP seems to be upping their prices with every in house movement update (ROO Diver got a healthy price bump once it received a new movement, so did the ROO 43mm when compared to the 44mm)

Use of BMG would be very exciting! I would find it more exciting than black ceramic at this point.

[h.to]

Originally Posted by macrowatch

Use of BMG would be very exciting! I would find it more exciting than black ceramic at this point.

I agree. BMG seems like it's texture and colour is closer to stainless steel while incorporating the scratch resistance of Ceramic.

One can dream.

[TheMethod]

Originally Posted by 911AP

Mine hasn't had any issues either. The only annoying thing is setting the date....

Yes, whenever it's February or a month with 30 days, the forwarding date to the 1st of the month can be somewhat annoying.

[illiguy]

Any more thoughts from those with close AP connections?

[Token74]

Originally Posted by charlie2888

AP and its executives are custodians managing the legacy of arguably the most iconic and important watch ever created. This comes with incredible responsibility.

The proportions and attributes of Genta's original design, from the thinner monobloc case than on the current 15202, to the crown size (different and IMO better proportioned to the case than AP's modern screw-down crowns), dial font and color, bracelet thickness, etc. are all so special and important. And the 2121 movement, with its incredible history, is absolutely critical to the Royal Oak's DNA.

For everyone calling for tweaks to make the 15202 feel like a more modern watch, may I recommend the 15300, 15400 or 15500, or any of the countless other fantastic modern watches AP makes.

AP should always have a watch in its production that pays homage to the original. I wish that for the 50th anniversary they would release a true faithful reissue of the 5402.

I’m with you on this. I prefer the 15300 and I have no desire for a 15202. But, I’d like them to keep one reference as close to the original as possible.


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