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Old 23 March 2019, 02:01 AM   #31
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Thanks for the heads up on the YM 1

I'm so glad they didn't mess with it's sizing. That said, what the heck is the point of having one 42mm YM while the rest are 40mm?
I have no idea. I like the fact they upgraded the line with no fuss, but I find the new model to be a head-scratcher. Not only is its size an anomaly within the line, but also (thankfully) no other YM has that mismatched handset.
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Old 23 March 2019, 02:06 AM   #32
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It keeps the soul of the Submariner. Just keep that, don’t change anything.


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Old 23 March 2019, 02:07 AM   #33
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It’s not a model to keep messing with. I’m honestly glad they’ve left it alone.
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Old 23 March 2019, 02:40 AM   #34
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I have no idea. I like the fact they upgraded the line with no fuss, but I find the new model to be a head-scratcher. Not only is its size an anomaly within the line, but also (thankfully) no other YM has that mismatched handset.
Those mismatched hands are so bad they totally look like an error

To me this screams like a move from another brand, not Rolex. Their YM line is a mess right now. You have a YM1, a YM2 that is both larger and a different function watch altogether. Then the YM42 takes the new DJ41 style naming convention and upsize....Shouldn't this be the YM2

And the YM2 should just be the YM Chronograph

Not as streamlined as I would expect from management at Rolex
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Old 23 March 2019, 02:57 AM   #35
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Love it as it is. Would loved to see a blue dial/bezel SS version though (as long as it’s never on a jubilee)
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Old 23 March 2019, 03:23 AM   #36
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Those mismatched hands are so bad they totally look like an error

To me this screams like a move from another brand, not Rolex. Their YM line is a mess right now. You have a YM1, a YM2 that is both larger and a different function watch altogether. Then the YM42 takes the new DJ41 style naming convention and upsize....Shouldn't this be the YM2

And the YM2 should just be the YM Chronograph

Not as streamlined as I would expect from management at Rolex
To be fair, Rolex was using the size as part of the name before they came out with the YM42, since they still needed to distinguish between the YM40 and the YM37. Functionally, the YM42 is no different from the others, so there's really no call for it to be deemed a successor model (i.e., YM II). Naming conventions aside, though, you're right that the line is a mess, with no unifying aesthetic to tie it together. The newest model took an already disorganized range and made it even more disorderly.
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Old 23 March 2019, 03:39 AM   #37
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To be fair, Rolex was using the size as part of the name before they came out with the YM42, since they still needed to distinguish between the YM40 and the YM37. Functionally, the YM42 is no different from the others, so there's really no call for it to be deemed a successor model (i.e., YM II). Naming conventions aside, though, you're right that the line is a mess, with no unifying aesthetic to tie it together. The newest model took an already disorganized range and made it even more disorderly.
I forgot about the YM37 as well. Makes the line even messier. Why the 3rd size and then the YM2 is really a 4th size. They even have the same watch in RG at 40mm.....sloppy brand management imo
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Old 23 March 2019, 03:48 AM   #38
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Wonder why Rolex stagger installing new movements, surely it would be more cost effective to fit the new movements to all watches (of the same size).

Is it just marketing?
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Old 23 March 2019, 06:40 AM   #39
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It’s not a model to keep messing with. I’m honestly glad they’ve left it alone.
Updating a movement which only really improves the power reserve isn't much of a mess anyway.
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Old 23 March 2019, 10:02 AM   #40
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Underwhelming as far as I'm concerned. The market needed a new Sub, or at least I did! Not even the latest 3235 movement, shocking.
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Old 23 March 2019, 10:05 AM   #41
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Updating a movement which only really improves the power reserve isn't much of a mess anyway.
Agreed. A simple movement upgrade would pose no threat. However, in light of what Rolex did to the GMT line this year (wholesale elimination of a number of options, complete redundancy of others, forced bracelet style depending on metal grade), I do have a concern what Rolex might do with the Sub line when they get around to updating it. If they just drop in movements like they did with the rest of the YM lineup, that's fine; likewise if they judiciously add or discontinue a color combo here or there. If they use a heavy hand to tinker with aesthetics and offerings, though, they could easily screw it up.
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Old 23 March 2019, 10:19 AM   #42
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I'm happy with the Submariner as is. It has a great look, nice size, great bracelet and durable proven movement. But no doubt it will get the new movement next year to simplify production across the lines. I just hope they don't start putting a jubilee on it! My 2 cents. Cheers!
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Old 23 March 2019, 10:38 PM   #43
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keep the sub the way it is. I love it.
but just saying...a SS sub, blue dial/blue ceramic bezel....now I'd love that too!
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Old 23 March 2019, 10:46 PM   #44
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Love the 14060. Don’t see Rolex slimming down lugs. Maxi case is here to stay.
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Old 23 March 2019, 10:51 PM   #45
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Folks, it's the 'supercase'.

(And I love it.)
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Old 24 March 2019, 03:40 AM   #46
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Right time to buy a 14060(M) before they get more expensive. ;-)
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Old 24 March 2019, 03:42 AM   #47
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Good news as to the super (not maxi) case.


Careful Cru, you’re verging on getting scolded for being too proper (ala Submariner).
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Old 24 March 2019, 03:55 AM   #48
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I love my maxi case on my 114060. What really want on the Sub line is Matte dial with upgraded movement with a higher power reserve. My Tudor BB58 has 70hr power reserve vs 48Hr on my SubC.
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Old 24 March 2019, 04:55 AM   #49
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It a maxi fan at all. Hope they move back to the thinner lugs.
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Old 24 March 2019, 06:40 AM   #50
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Next year...

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Old 24 March 2019, 06:41 AM   #51
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I love the sub just the way it is! I feel better it hans't suffered any major change!
Yes...great watch as it is!
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Old 24 March 2019, 06:57 AM   #52
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I would have liked to see a 50th anniversary Sub Date. But I am glad they did not slim down the case or lugs.
...err that would be the 16610LV then..
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Old 24 March 2019, 07:28 AM   #53
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...err that would be the 16610LV then..
Ironically, Rolex used the Sub Date (16610 LV) to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the Submariner, which in its original form had no date. In 2003, the Sub Date was only 34 years old. It turned 50 this year.

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Old 24 March 2019, 07:36 AM   #54
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I like it as it is, if they do upgrade it in the future I hope they do NOT replace to a Jubilee bracelet. They should keep the SUB on the Oyster.
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Old 24 March 2019, 10:32 AM   #55
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You create too many expectations too soon... The previous model lasted more than 20 years without significant design changes, it is still in it's midlife.
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Old 24 March 2019, 10:54 AM   #56
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They got the Sub perfect already, so why mess with it? I can see maybe later this year, or next year, putting in the new movement. That's about it, though. My 114060 can live quite nicely without even the new movement, or any other changes.

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Old 24 March 2019, 12:37 PM   #57
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I consider my watches as jewellery. I like the GMT on the Oyster and the Jubilee bracket. I like the current sub, and in all metals. But to me all the divers should only ever come with the Oyster bracelet.
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Old 24 March 2019, 12:49 PM   #58
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They got the Sub perfect already, so why mess with it? I can see maybe later this year, or next year, putting in the new movement. That's about it, though. My 114060 can live quite nicely without even the new movement, or any other changes.

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The thing is, they got it perfect a lot of times... There are 50 years of subs available. I like my 14060M. I prefer the slimmer case and old school bezel. Lots of other folks prefer the newer maxi-case and dial/ceramic bezel. Lots of people like the patina'd dials and bezels of older refs. Then there are PM, two tone and more. Models from even 50 years ago are running and keeping great time and wandering around on the wrists of people who have no idea how much they are worth. Even (gasp!) sent in to RSC for service and updating/polishing!

I don't see Rolex going back to a case design on one of their signature watches that was essentially unchanged for 40 years. If you want one, you can find one. Just not at an AD. But there are still plenty of NOS even available. Just expensive.
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Old 24 March 2019, 12:53 PM   #59
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16610 5 digit is a better watch all round. 5513 even more so. More isn’t always better, especially when form doesn’t follow function. The maxi case solves a problem that nobody ever had, when did a sub case experience lug failure that would warrant extra metal/girth being added? Aesthetics then? I don’t concur and find the maxi case disproportionate.
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Ironically, Rolex used the Sub Date (16610 LV) to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the Submariner, which in its original form had no date. In 2003, the Sub Date was only 34 years old. It turned 50 this year.

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