The Rolex Forums   The Rolex Watch

ROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEX


Go Back   Rolex Forums - Rolex Watch Forum > General Topics > Open Discussion Forum

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 24 November 2016, 12:06 AM   #1
watchluxus
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Narnia
Watch: Not Enough
Posts: 210
Luxury Watch Market Dissertation

Hi all!

(DISCLAIMER: Not looking for anyone to do work for me, just thought this would be a good place to bounce ideas back and forth )

I am in my final year of university, and will be writing a dissertation. I want my dissertation to focus on the luxury watch industry and innovation, and have come up with potential topics.

1. To what extent does innovation affect performance in the watch industry?

2. How vulnerable is the established luxury watch market to new entrants?

I am debating how I will measure the different metrics such as innovation, and its relative performance, and would gladly accept any suggestions!

Thank you all!
watchluxus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24 November 2016, 01:59 AM   #2
keschete
"TRF" Member
 
keschete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Real Name: Kaya
Location: Louisiana
Watch: 116500
Posts: 3,575
My advice, find a simple topic. When writing Thesis and Dissertations, even the most simple topics become a complex maze of mathematical equations. I would just use question 1 and measure innovation and price point compared to sales. Just my 2 cents.
__________________
GMT II BLNR, Submariner, Submariner Serti, Datejust, Daytona C, TT Yacht Master, Hulk Submariner, Pepsi GMT II
keschete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24 November 2016, 02:26 AM   #3
GB-man
2024 Pledge Member
 
GB-man's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: USA
Watch: addiction issues
Posts: 36,902
I think topic 2 would be easier to prove. It's essentially just an assessment of barriers to entry which has defined terms. Good luck
GB-man is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24 November 2016, 02:42 AM   #4
Etschell
"TRF" Member
 
Etschell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: FL
Watch: platinum sub
Posts: 15,884
why not go with the effect of gold rolex on strippers lap dance pricing?

lol jk.
__________________
If you wind it, they will run.

25 or 6 to 4.
Etschell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24 November 2016, 03:45 AM   #5
MILGAUSS88
"TRF" Member
 
MILGAUSS88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: mississippi river
Posts: 2,960
Quote:
Originally Posted by GB-man View Post
I think topic 2 would be easier to prove. It's essentially just an assessment of barriers to entry which has defined terms. Good luck
Having written a dissertation, I agree the 2nd would be easier. But, it may still be too broad of a subject. You do not want your biggest challenge to be finding information
You want what is easiest to quantify. How would you quantify innovation.

I suggest looking at average sales price of a brand, quantity sold of a brand.
I have seen numbers for the amount of employees per watch produced.
You may need to look at the MSRP on a per year basis. Or possibly grey market sales prices year over year for individual models.
Once you have numbers there are many things to look at extrapolating for.

Perhaps MSRP versus grey market price.
Break it down to dress watches VS sport models VS precious metals models vs ladies watches.

I am sure there are other things to look at but, just a quick idea off the top of my head.

Maybe a little harder to research, compare income brackets and typical price of watch purchased. Is it different depending on which country You are from. (not sure if that info is available.)

Last edited by MILGAUSS88; 24 November 2016 at 04:44 AM.. Reason: ...
MILGAUSS88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24 November 2016, 04:18 AM   #6
Chewbacca
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2012
Real Name: CJ
Location: Kashyyyk
Watch: Kessel Run Chrono
Posts: 21,113
Quote:
Originally Posted by keschete View Post
My advice, find a simple topic. When writing Thesis and Dissertations, even the most simple topics become a complex maze of mathematical equations. I would just use question 1 and measure innovation and price point compared to sales. Just my 2 cents.
agree.


20
Chewbacca is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24 November 2016, 04:34 AM   #7
GB-man
2024 Pledge Member
 
GB-man's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: USA
Watch: addiction issues
Posts: 36,902
Good point. For the record I have not written a dissertation. Just a lowly MBA grad


Quote:
Originally Posted by MILGAUSS88 View Post
Having written a dissertation, I agree the 2nd would be easier. But, it may still be too broad of a subject. You do not want your biggest challaenge to be finding information
You want what is easiest to quantify. How would you quantify innovation.

I suggeest looking at average sales price of a brand, quantity sold of a brand.
I have seen numbers for the amount of employees per watch produced.
You may need to look at the MSRP on a per year basis. Or possibly grey market sales prices year over year for individual models.
Once you have numbers there are many things to look at extrapolating for.

Perhaps MSRP versus grey market price.
Break it down to dress watches VS sport models VS precious metals models vs ladies watches.

I am sure there are other things to look at but, just a quick idea off the top of my head.

Maybe a little harder to research, compare income brackets and typical price of watch purchased. Is it different depending on which country You are from. (not sure if that info is available.)
GB-man is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24 November 2016, 06:27 AM   #8
MILGAUSS88
"TRF" Member
 
MILGAUSS88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: mississippi river
Posts: 2,960
I learned the hard way by spending a month finding out nothing, in my dissertation research.
(Pre-internet, so I could not go back to my dorm and just google it.)
Start with what you can quantify, and then ask yourself what can that indicate. Then analyze your hypothesis.
MILGAUSS88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24 November 2016, 07:45 AM   #9
watchluxus
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Narnia
Watch: Not Enough
Posts: 210
Thank you for the input everyone!

After talking to my dissertation supervisor, I am thinking of potentially getting ten brands and comparing their flagship watch, over x years. Ie. Rolex Submariner. I would then quantify innovation, through number of patents filed for that watch per each new upgrade etc.
watchluxus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24 November 2016, 08:50 AM   #10
THC
2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member
 
THC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Real Name: Tom
Location: Mandeville La
Watch: 16610M
Posts: 10,499
this may help with research

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/inside-rolex
THC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24 November 2016, 10:08 AM   #11
BrazenC5
2024 Pledge Member
 
BrazenC5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Real Name: Chris
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Watch: 1665,1675,1680,SD4
Posts: 1,837
Quote:
Originally Posted by watchluxus View Post
Thank you for the input everyone!

After talking to my dissertation supervisor, I am thinking of potentially getting ten brands and comparing their flagship watch, over x years. Ie. Rolex Submariner. I would then quantify innovation, through number of patents filed for that watch per each new upgrade etc.
"Correlation does not imply causation" comes to mind. I bet most Rolex owners buy from brand awareness, not because of innovation.
BrazenC5 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 24 November 2016, 10:34 AM   #12
codecow
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Real Name: Louis
Location: Bay Area, CA
Watch: PP 5131R
Posts: 4,840
1 is much easier, the technological achievements in the industry have produced extremely accurate movements at very large scales.
codecow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24 November 2016, 02:01 PM   #13
braxd
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: USA
Posts: 35
Quote:
Originally Posted by Etschell View Post
why not go with the effect of gold rolex on strippers lap dance pricing?

lol jk.
That would be easy..lol
braxd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24 November 2016, 02:14 PM   #14
keschete
"TRF" Member
 
keschete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Real Name: Kaya
Location: Louisiana
Watch: 116500
Posts: 3,575
Quote:
Originally Posted by watchluxus View Post
Thank you for the input everyone!

After talking to my dissertation supervisor, I am thinking of potentially getting ten brands and comparing their flagship watch, over x years. Ie. Rolex Submariner. I would then quantify innovation, through number of patents filed for that watch per each new upgrade etc.
Good idea. Keep it simple. You're going to have to twist and bend when explaining results. So the key is to ask simple questions. It's amazing once you get into it how complex one simple research question can become.
__________________
GMT II BLNR, Submariner, Submariner Serti, Datejust, Daytona C, TT Yacht Master, Hulk Submariner, Pepsi GMT II
keschete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25 November 2016, 02:00 AM   #15
MILGAUSS88
"TRF" Member
 
MILGAUSS88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: mississippi river
Posts: 2,960
Quote:
Originally Posted by watchluxus View Post
Thank you for the input everyone!

After talking to my dissertation supervisor, I am thinking of potentially getting ten brands and comparing their flagship watch, over x years. Ie. Rolex Submariner. I would then quantify innovation, through number of patents filed for that watch per each new upgrade etc.
I am trying to point out pitfalls here.
Rolex typically files a patent for a hairspring, etc that they use in all of there watches, not just one model. It gets even more convoluted when you look at a watch like Breguet, owned by ETA, where the patent for ETA and not necessarily Breguet.
They may stagger the improvements to the individual models. i.e. ceramic bezels.
Is a ceramic bezel an innovation? Or just a design change? Or are you including both design changes and patents? A design change can be as little as a different colored dial, in this market.
Is there a database where you can easily search watch patents?

Curious, how are you quantifying performance in the watch industry?
Price?
Increase in price?
Number of units sold? (I would guess that would have an inverse relationship to innovation.)
Profit?

I am assuming this is an Economics dissertation.

Last edited by MILGAUSS88; 25 November 2016 at 02:05 AM.. Reason: ..
MILGAUSS88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

DavidSW Watches

Bernard Watches

Takuya Watches

My Watch LLC

OCWatches


*Banners Of The Month*
This space is provided to horological resources.





Copyright ©2004-2024, The Rolex Forums. All Rights Reserved.

ROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEX

Rolex is a registered trademark of ROLEX USA. The Rolex Forums is not affiliated with ROLEX USA in any way.