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Yazo · 17 November 2010, 09:26 AM

http://www.network54.com/Forum/20767...+dial+and+case

Anyone have any ideas? Meters 1st 5513's, from what I saw, usually go for between 4 and 6k USD depending on condition. Can anyone tell me why is this one selling for 12k+?

mcjp6 · 17 November 2010, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Yazo

Meters 1st 5513's, from what I saw, usually go for between 4 and 6k USD depending on condition.

I have not seen gilt dial 5513s going for that range. Usually with gilt 5513s its around $6k upwards.

This one does seem expensive but the case and lugs do look like they are in excellent condition and the dial also appears to be pretty good with no crazing or tritium loss.

I would say that without box/papers around $9k might be more reasonable.

jedly1 · 17 November 2010, 09:53 AM

you can buy garbage gilt dials for $5-6k maybe ...but even then thats hard pushing ...can you show some that you are thinging off ?

Yazo · 17 November 2010, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by jedly1

you can buy garbage gilt dials for $5-6k maybe ...but even then thats hard pushing ...can you show some that you are thinging off ?

Ahh so it's the gilt dial that makes that watch extraordinary? I believe the ones that I was referring to were matte dials...

Wow that's quite a bit of difference between gilt and matte!!

fusionstorm · 17 November 2010, 10:29 AM

Sunny,

The older glossy dials typically do not age as well as matte dials thru the years. Spotting and discoloration are very common. If this glossy gilt is original and has not been touched up, condition like the one shown would be pretty rare.

Cheers,

EP

Yazo · 17 November 2010, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by fusionstorm

Sunny,

The older glossy dials typically do not age as well as matte dials thru the years. Spotting and discoloration are very common. If this glossy gilt is original and has not been touched up, condition like the one shown would be pretty rare.

Cheers,

EP

Awesome... thanks for the explanation my man!!

bb3188 · 17 November 2010, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jedly1

you can buy garbage gilt dials for $5-6k maybe ...but even then thats hard pushing ...can you show some that you are thinging off ?

....yep.... seen some garbage dials out there.......;)

Frogman4me · 18 November 2010, 12:15 AM

Imagine what Torneau in pentagon city would sell it for? 30k hahahahha

eparisini · 18 November 2010, 02:11 AM

It's really a nice 5513 gilt dialed! They are the rarest and prices are the higher for 5513 of course

HL65 · 18 November 2010, 04:18 AM

Sunny- Here is an example of a beautiful 1962 Gilt dial with closed minute ring -2 line meters first. Clearly the dial pops on this one far more than most you get to see. This is a 2 day post surgery post--one of the few I will be doing over the next week--LOL!!
Gilt 2.jpg

Nicko · 18 November 2010, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SteelerFan1965

Sunny- Here is an example of a beautiful 1962 Gilt dial with closed minute ring -2 line meters first. Clearly the dial pops on this one far more than most you get to see. This is a 2 day post surgery post--one of the few I will be doing over the next week--LOL!!
Attachment 173214

Hope you're feeling OK....BTW, nice watch!

HL65 · 18 November 2010, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicko

Hope you're feeling OK....BTW, nice watch!

Thanks--hanging in there--getting off computer now before my wife catches me and my level of care goes down

Yazo · 18 November 2010, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SteelerFan1965

Sunny- Here is an example of a beautiful 1962 Gilt dial with closed minute ring -2 line meters first. Clearly the dial pops on this one far more than most you get to see. This is a 2 day post surgery post--one of the few I will be doing over the next week--LOL!!
Attachment 173214

Awesome example Ken - thank you very much for posting it!! I get it now :-) Thanks!!

BTW hope everything went ok bud... glad to see you posting!!

HL65 · 18 November 2010, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Yazo

Awesome example Ken - thank you very much for posting it!! I get it now :-) Thanks!!

BTW hope everything went ok bud... glad to see you posting!!

Thanks Sunny!!!

bb3188 · 18 November 2010, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SteelerFan1965

Sunny- Here is an example of a beautiful 1962 Gilt dial with closed minute ring -2 line meters first. Clearly the dial pops on this one far more than most you get to see. This is a 2 day post surgery post--one of the few I will be doing over the next week--LOL!!
Attachment 173214

Ken thats a very nice dial.....

HL65 · 18 November 2010, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bb3188

Ken thats a very nice dial.....

Thanks Mark--it is quite nice and rare in shape like it is. Here is a nice close up of it.

Gilt 15.jpg

lupus · 20 November 2010, 08:25 PM

pristine dial is expensive. though 12k is too much imho.

Rickster · 21 November 2010, 12:46 AM

Great watch Ken! That one is on my Christmas list... I've tried to be an extra good boy this year.

Hope you get back on your feet soon. Thanks for the great pic!

HL65 · 21 November 2010, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Rickster

Great watch Ken! That one is on my Christmas list... I've tried to be an extra good boy this year.

Hope you get back on your feet soon. Thanks for the great pic!

Thanks Rick!!

Racer X · 21 November 2010, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SteelerFan1965

Thanks Mark--it is quite nice and rare in shape like it is. Here is a nice close up of it.

Attachment 173376

Love these closed minute ring dials. Beautiful!

HL65 · 21 November 2010, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Racer X

Love these closed minute ring dials. Beautiful!

Thanks! Wearing it now!! 1962 Sub 5512

Racer X · 21 November 2010, 03:40 AM

It's funny how a small detail like a ring or an underline can make such an impact on the aesthetics of a watch. Going to have to add this reference to my "to buy" list. Unfortunately, it's a long list so it may be a while until I can pick one up.

HL65 · 21 November 2010, 03:59 AM

All in the details!

stevemulholland3 · 21 November 2010, 06:55 AM

In some circumstances a dial is 80% or more of the value of a watch..the 6538 is one watch that comes to mind.

Airstreamin · 5 December 2010, 06:56 AM

regarding the vintage 5513, late 60's, Can someone explain the term "gilt", how it looks on the watch, and how it affects the value? Thanks very much.

HL65 · 5 December 2010, 07:11 AM

They are glossy dials versus flat matte dials with gold or silver applied to the surface of the dial. Rolex stopped making them in the late 60's and thus the supply out there vs. matte is quite limited. Also--to find one in perfect shape is rare and thus will command quite a premium--often making up a large portion of the value of the watch.

Airstreamin · 5 December 2010, 12:47 PM

I see - thanks very much. I just purchased the one in the picture above - by your description I'd say it is not gilt but I've not seen it in person yet. The markers have a yellow hue, not white as some, which I like the look of but I'm not sure if that is "desirable" in terms of value. I was excited to find one in such good condition and with all the original paperwork, box, etc. I believe it is a 1968. I'm far from a watch expert as you can tell by my questions but I love the vintage look compared to the new ones.

oo7 · 5 December 2010, 01:05 PM

Because the metric system makes more sense to the civilized world but for some reason there's a couple holdouts that carry quite a bit of influence.

HL65 · 5 December 2010, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Airstreamin

I see - thanks very much. I just purchased the one in the picture above - by your description I'd say it is not gilt but I've not seen it in person yet. The markers have a yellow hue, not white as some, which I like the look of but I'm not sure if that is "desirable" in terms of value. I was excited to find one in such good condition and with all the original paperwork, box, etc. I believe it is a 1968. I'm far from a watch expert as you can tell by my questions but I love the vintage look compared to the new ones.

Rolex discontinued making Gilt dials in 1965-66. Yours appears to have nice patina though and quite a good looking matte dial. Congrats and enjoy it!

kyle L · 5 December 2010, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Airstreamin

I see - thanks very much. I just purchased the one in the picture above - by your description I'd say it is not gilt but I've not seen it in person yet. The markers have a yellow hue, not white as some, which I like the look of but I'm not sure if that is "desirable" in terms of value. I was excited to find one in such good condition and with all the original paperwork, box, etc. I believe it is a 1968. I'm far from a watch expert as you can tell by my questions but I love the vintage look compared to the new ones.

I think if you ever put that one up for sale it would go fast, the dial has unbelievable patina, pretty much perfect.

I know would jump at it if the price was right.

17 November 2010, 09:26 AM	#1
Yazo "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Dallas TX Watch: Rolex Posts: 2,812	Why is this Meters 1st Gilt Dial 5513 priced so high? http://www.network54.com/Forum/20767...+dial+and+case Anyone have any ideas? Meters 1st 5513's, from what I saw, usually go for between 4 and 6k USD depending on condition. Can anyone tell me why is this one selling for 12k+?

17 November 2010, 10:29 AM	#5
fusionstorm "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Piedmont, CA Watch: various vintage Posts: 2,272	Sunny, The older glossy dials typically do not age as well as matte dials thru the years. Spotting and discoloration are very common. If this glossy gilt is original and has not been touched up, condition like the one shown would be pretty rare. Cheers, EP __________________ 1680 MK II 2.2M (my daily); 1655 MK IV 8.1M (my 1st vintage); 16660 x 4 - 8.0M spider & matte 7.4M, 8.0M, 8.0M; 16610LV F MK I/MK I; 116528 Z; 14060 M COSC; Tudor 75090 Gone.....never forgotten: 14000 F, 14060 V COSC, PAM 048, 16623 F, 1680 MK V 3.1M, 16800 matte 8.3M & 1655 MK IV 7.4M

18 November 2010, 02:11 AM	#9
eparisini "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Emanuele Location: Italy Watch: 6263 FAP Posts: 795	It's really a nice 5513 gilt dialed! They are the rarest and prices are the higher for 5513 of course __________________ EAT, DRINK AND BE MAUI

18 November 2010, 04:18 AM	#10
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,544	Sunny- Here is an example of a beautiful 1962 Gilt dial with closed minute ring -2 line meters first. Clearly the dial pops on this one far more than most you get to see. This is a 2 day post surgery post--one of the few I will be doing over the next week--LOL!! Gilt 2.jpg __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

21 November 2010, 03:59 AM	#23
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,544	All in the details! __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

17 November 2010, 09:53 AM	#3
jedly1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: mel(oz)/Yorks(uk) Posts: 1,917	you can buy garbage gilt dials for $5-6k maybe ...but even then thats hard pushing ...can you show some that you are thinging off ?

18 November 2010, 12:15 AM	#8
Frogman4me Banned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Maryland Posts: 6,268	Imagine what Torneau in pentagon city would sell it for? 30k hahahahha

20 November 2010, 08:25 PM	#17
lupus "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Netherlands Posts: 86	pristine dial is expensive. though 12k is too much imho.

21 November 2010, 12:46 AM	#18
Rickster "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Real Name: Rick Location: London, Ont. Posts: 666	Great watch Ken! That one is on my Christmas list... I've tried to be an extra good boy this year. Hope you get back on your feet soon. Thanks for the great pic!

21 November 2010, 03:40 AM	#22
Racer X "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Dave Location: Unknown Posts: 999	It's funny how a small detail like a ring or an underline can make such an impact on the aesthetics of a watch. Going to have to add this reference to my "to buy" list. Unfortunately, it's a long list so it may be a while until I can pick one up.

21 November 2010, 06:55 AM	#24
stevemulholland3 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: steven Location: tampa bay Watch: 1680 18k sub Posts: 6,672	In some circumstances a dial is 80% or more of the value of a watch..the 6538 is one watch that comes to mind.

5 December 2010, 07:11 AM	#26
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,544	They are glossy dials versus flat matte dials with gold or silver applied to the surface of the dial. Rolex stopped making them in the late 60's and thus the supply out there vs. matte is quite limited. Also--to find one in perfect shape is rare and thus will command quite a premium--often making up a large portion of the value of the watch. __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

5 December 2010, 12:47 PM	#27
Airstreamin Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Watch: 5513 Posts: 61	I see - thanks very much. I just purchased the one in the picture above - by your description I'd say it is not gilt but I've not seen it in person yet. The markers have a yellow hue, not white as some, which I like the look of but I'm not sure if that is "desirable" in terms of value. I was excited to find one in such good condition and with all the original paperwork, box, etc. I believe it is a 1968. I'm far from a watch expert as you can tell by my questions but I love the vintage look compared to the new ones.

5 December 2010, 01:05 PM	#28
oo7 Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Real Name: Julius Location: Toronto CANADA Posts: 217	Because the metric system makes more sense to the civilized world but for some reason there's a couple holdouts that carry quite a bit of influence.

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