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cajun_one · 3 September 2009, 12:46 PM

I don't mean to sound offensive, but I need to be educated. What is considered the Panerai that put them on the map. What is a model that would let's say be equivalent to Rolex's Submariner? I really like the style, but don't know enough about them to begin to want to buy one. I like the Radiomir style, but again not sure what I am looking at. Big watch that just screams to my liking!

Any input would be great!

mfer · 3 September 2009, 01:10 PM

111 is the most equivalent to 16610.

4prosales · 3 September 2009, 01:16 PM

I personally liked the Pam 88 Luminor GMT with a Bracelet...Looks sweet and 44mm Beautiful time piece,,,Go for it !!!

TswaneNguni · 3 September 2009, 01:31 PM

If you want to venture into the the magic Panerai world,the PAM 111 is a great starting point.Historic,recessed/sandwich dial/crystal back/very accurate manual wound movement/classic polished Luminor casing/small second hand....with the added bonus that one of the classic PAMs, are also one of the least expensive in the collection.

.... and with a few straps the 111 serves as a whole collection,on its own.

RedBaronF2001 · 3 September 2009, 01:35 PM

The manual wind Luminor painted dial is about as close as it gets to what was available to the public in the '90s when Panerai gained some momentum in the market. This means the 000 or 005 (speaking of modern pieces). The sandwich dial models, the 111 and 112, are the same save for the dial and some movement decoration.

To the original question - the Luminor is what put Panerai on the map. And Sylvester Stallone

asadtiger · 3 September 2009, 04:01 PM

yeah buy Sylvester Stallone if you want to buy what put Panerai on the map

...just joking :)

Zed · 3 September 2009, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TswaneNguni

If you want to venture into the the magic Panerai world,the PAM 111 is a great starting point.Historic,recessed/sandwich dial/crystal back/very accurate manual wound movement/classic polished Luminor casing/small second hand....with the added bonus that one of the classic PAMs, are also one of the least expensive in the collection.

.... and with a few straps the 111 serves as a whole collection,on its own.

... x 2.....

Trurolexer · 3 September 2009, 09:15 PM

Submariner = 111
GMT Master = 88
Daytona = 233

Good luck whatever you choose in the end.

drtooth73 · 3 September 2009, 09:59 PM

Check out the panerai website.
Panerai hold their value better if they are manual. Rolex Sub is auto.
Also, sandwich dial is something that sets Panerai apart, models like 233, 312, 112 - simple clean look.

RedBaronF2001 · 3 September 2009, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trurolexer

Submariner = 111
GMT Master = 88
Daytona = 233

Good luck whatever you choose in the end.

Could you elaborate for me?

drtooth73 · 3 September 2009, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedBaronF2001

Could you elaborate for me?

Its simple math=calculus

karmatp · 3 September 2009, 11:32 PM

You need to go to a Panerai AD and have them give you some books on the history of Panerai, it's pretty cool stuff.

WatchSnob · 4 September 2009, 12:35 AM

Beware, the Dark Side is strong and is hard to resist!

RedBaronF2001 · 4 September 2009, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drtooth73

Its simple math=calculus

Well, I was just trying to figure out how:

Submariner = 111
GMT Master = 88
Daytona = 233

To me, the 111 is a manual wind non-date movement vs. the Sub's automatic with or without date.

The 88, I can see how it's like the GMT, only it doesn't have a rotating bezel.

The 233 is a GMT with date. It's not a chronograph, like the Daytona.

To me:

Submariner = the new 312 - classic case shape with modern movement and date.
GMT Master = PAM 092 - auto, GMT with date, rotating bezel (albeit with direction and not 24 hours)
Daytona = PAM 275 - but two register.

GBJIV · 4 September 2009, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zed

... x 2.....

111 is an excellenet piece. Check them out - You will probably be surprised how many models speak to you...

mfer · 4 September 2009, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedBaronF2001

Well, I was just trying to figure out how:

Submariner = 111
GMT Master = 88
Daytona = 233

To me, the 111 is a manual wind non-date movement vs. the Sub's automatic with or without date.

The 88, I can see how it's like the GMT, only it doesn't have a rotating bezel.

The 233 is a GMT with date. It's not a chronograph, like the Daytona.

To me:

Submariner = the new 312 - classic case shape with modern movement and date.
GMT Master = PAM 092 - auto, GMT with date, rotating bezel (albeit with direction and not 24 hours)
Daytona = PAM 275 - but two register.

I don't think TR was trying to compare functions. Think more like this...
TR was saying the quintessential Pam is the 111 and the quintessential Rolex is the Sub.
The reasonable price 233 is sought after like the reasonable priced Daytona.

Not sure if I agree with the 88 to GMT Master, but oh well!

Zed · 4 September 2009, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedBaronF2001

Well, I was just trying to figure out how:

Submariner = 111
GMT Master = 88
Daytona = 233

To me, the 111 is a manual wind non-date movement vs. the Sub's automatic with or without date.

The 88, I can see how it's like the GMT, only it doesn't have a rotating bezel.

The 233 is a GMT with date. It's not a chronograph, like the Daytona.

To me:

Submariner = the new 312 - classic case shape with modern movement and date.
GMT Master = PAM 092 - auto, GMT with date, rotating bezel (albeit with direction and not 24 hours)
Daytona = PAM 275 - but two register.

I think Heru Meant
Daytona = 236

seehoo · 6 September 2009, 02:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cajun_one

I don't mean to sound offensive, but I need to be educated. What is considered the Panerai that put them on the map. What is a model that would let's say be equivalent to Rolex's Submariner? I really like the style, but don't know enough about them to begin to want to buy one. I like the Radiomir style, but again not sure what I am looking at. Big watch that just screams to my liking!

Any input would be great!

imho,if its the Radiomir that sings to you...you might want to take a look at the 210 & 183. both Pams have manual wound movements,sandwich dial and belong to the historic base models! happy hunting!

Nica64 · 6 September 2009, 04:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBJIV

111 is an excellent piece. Check them out - You will probably be surprised how many models speak to you...

X2, go to the Panerai AD and you will be surprise that you like all of them!!

star with the 000 or 111

wrxsti · 9 September 2009, 08:46 AM

this is a good read on history thanks to jake!

http://rolexblog.blogspot.com/2009/0...-of-rolex.html

WatchSnob · 9 September 2009, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfer

111 is the most equivalent to 16610.

Sorry I disagree, Id say the PAM 024 is closest to the 16610.

The 111 is a GREAT watch and stunning but it is not a diver watch like the Sub or 24.

The PAM 243 is the most like the DSSD.

I love both the Rolex and Panerai dive watches for their own reasons.... I love how easily you can change the entire look of the Panerai with a simple band swap but I love how tough the Rolex divers are due to their bracelets.

You can't go wrong with either that is for sure.

nepod90 · 9 September 2009, 12:05 PM

I think the 111 does a similar job as the Sub in representing the brand (not necessarily functionality).

mfer · 10 September 2009, 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nepod90

I think the 111 does a similar job as the Sub in representing the brand (not necessarily functionality).

Exactly what I'm trying to say.

Trurolexer · 10 September 2009, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfer

I don't think TR was trying to compare functions. Think more like this...
TR was saying the quintessential Pam is the 111 and the quintessential Rolex is the Sub.
The reasonable price 233 is sought after like the reasonable priced Daytona.

Not sure if I agree with the 88 to GMT Master, but oh well!

You can read my mind, Buddy.

Fred_Tan · 10 September 2009, 09:19 AM

But I don't think you can find or should try to equate any models between Rolex & Panerai as they have different DNA and progression.

Panerai from 1860 up to 1992 are Italian state military secret.
They go for limited public sale in 1993 from their Firenze shop and fully & globally launched & commercialized in 1997 with Vendome (Richemont) takeover

I also recommend you get this book:
http://www.vintage-panerai.de/shop/i...243a07a85653e2

It'll help.

3 September 2009, 12:46 PM	#1
cajun_one Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Jeremy Location: Broussard Watch: S.S. Sub-Date Posts: 105	Need help on Panerai! I don't mean to sound offensive, but I need to be educated. What is considered the Panerai that put them on the map. What is a model that would let's say be equivalent to Rolex's Submariner? I really like the style, but don't know enough about them to begin to want to buy one. I like the Radiomir style, but again not sure what I am looking at. Big watch that just screams to my liking! Any input would be great!

3 September 2009, 01:10 PM	#2
mfer "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Mik Location: USA Posts: 13,723	111 is the most equivalent to 16610. __________________ member#3242

3 September 2009, 01:16 PM	#3
4prosales Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: James Location: 21122 Watch: Breitling Chrono E Posts: 22	Panerai R Nice I personally liked the Pam 88 Luminor GMT with a Bracelet...Looks sweet and 44mm Beautiful time piece,,,Go for it !!!

3 September 2009, 01:31 PM	#4
TswaneNguni "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: . Watch: Daytonas/Subs/GMTs Posts: 12,608	If you want to venture into the the magic Panerai world,the PAM 111 is a great starting point.Historic,recessed/sandwich dial/crystal back/very accurate manual wound movement/classic polished Luminor casing/small second hand....with the added bonus that one of the classic PAMs, are also one of the least expensive in the collection..... and with a few straps the 111 serves as a whole collection,on its own.

3 September 2009, 11:32 PM	#12
karmatp "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Trevor Location: Arizona Posts: 5,740	You need to go to a Panerai AD and have them give you some books on the history of Panerai, it's pretty cool stuff. __________________ My grails:

3 September 2009, 01:35 PM	#5
RedBaronF2001 Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 575	The manual wind Luminor painted dial is about as close as it gets to what was available to the public in the '90s when Panerai gained some momentum in the market. This means the 000 or 005 (speaking of modern pieces). The sandwich dial models, the 111 and 112, are the same save for the dial and some movement decoration. To the original question - the Luminor is what put Panerai on the map. And Sylvester Stallone

3 September 2009, 04:01 PM	#6
asadtiger "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Asad A. Awan Location: kabul, Afghanista Watch: Tissot PRX Posts: 2,698	yeah buy Sylvester Stallone if you want to buy what put Panerai on the map ...just joking :)

3 September 2009, 09:15 PM	#8
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	Submariner = 111 GMT Master = 88 Daytona = 233 Good luck whatever you choose in the end.

3 September 2009, 09:59 PM	#9
drtooth73 Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: W. Stutman Location: Motor City Watch: TT GMT IIC Posts: 2,223	Check out the panerai website. Panerai hold their value better if they are manual. Rolex Sub is auto. Also, sandwich dial is something that sets Panerai apart, models like 233, 312, 112 - simple clean look.

9 September 2009, 08:46 AM	#20
wrxsti "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Earth Posts: 1,694	this is a good read on history thanks to jake! http://rolexblog.blogspot.com/2009/0...-of-rolex.html __________________ PP Geneva

9 September 2009, 12:05 PM	#22
nepod90 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Chicago Land Posts: 133	I think the 111 does a similar job as the Sub in representing the brand (not necessarily functionality). __________________ Rolex GMT Batgirl 126710BLNR /// Rolex Yacht Master 116622 /// Panerai 312N

10 September 2009, 09:19 AM	#25
Fred_Tan Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Fred Tan Location: Singapore Watch: Bumble Bee Posts: 668	Panerai & Rolex are definitely related But I don't think you can find or should try to equate any models between Rolex & Panerai as they have different DNA and progression. Panerai from 1860 up to 1992 are Italian state military secret. They go for limited public sale in 1993 from their Firenze shop and fully & globally launched & commercialized in 1997 with Vendome (Richemont) takeover I also recommend you get this book: http://www.vintage-panerai.de/shop/i...243a07a85653e2 It'll help.

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