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ChetBaker · 30 December 2023, 07:41 PM

Gentlemen - I am calling on you for counsel on my next step in my collecting journey. Over the years I have bought, owned, enjoyed and sold many many different watches and I now find myself thinking about one or two nice pieces to round out the collection. These are the watches I currently own (sorry no pictures as I have no idea how to do that):

1. Patek 5960G
2. Patek 5235G
3. Vacheron 1955 CdV in steel
4. Moser Perpetual One in palladium
5. Laurent Ferrier Origin Opaline
6. Chopard LUC Quattro Mark II in white gold
7. Rolex 116400 Z-Blue
8. Rolex 116710 (all three inserts)
9. Rolex 16610LV Flat Four
10. Rolex 116622 blue dial

My thinking is to sell the Milgauss and the Yachtmaster + top up for something that really adds diversity to the collection. Can go a number of ways. I like complications and I currently dont have a moonphase or worldtimer, I dont have platinum, I dont have an integrated bracelet sportswatch, no coloured metal, no non-round watch etc.

On my shortlist I have:

5130P
JLC Duometre Lunaire
Lange 1 Darth or Stealth
Breguet 7027
AP 15202/15300/15450

I appreciate your thoughts/ideas and open to other suggestions.

unknown · 30 December 2023, 08:09 PM

Looking at your shortlist ... DEFINITELY that breguet 7027

Michael1968 · 30 December 2023, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unknown

looking at your shortlist ... Definitely that breguet 7027

+1

SoylentGreenChi · 31 December 2023, 12:02 AM

What a fabulous collection you have! Automatics, manual winds, independents . . .

You mention liking complications and not having a moonphase or platinum. That all points to the ALS Lange 1 stealth. I’ve been watching this piece at European Watch Co. for about a month:
https://www.europeanwatch.com/watch/...lve-50060.html

If it were me, I’d add Moritz Grossmann to the shortlist. The new Tefnut friction dial is terrific (but similar to your Ferrier). The Grossmann backpage is fun and interesting, a bit like the Breguet in aesthetics. Grossmann is the new Lange, similar to what Lange was before Richemont.

vitalsigns · 31 December 2023, 01:03 AM

Nice collection. I would target one of these:

1) Lange 1 moonphase in platinum (satisfies two of your don't-haves)

2) Breguet Tradition -- there are many great ones. The original is excellent, but any of them would add true diversity to your collection and they are wonderful pieces.

Good luck!

travisb · 31 December 2023, 01:19 AM

From your shortlist, the 15202 is THE one!

Calatrava r · 31 December 2023, 01:26 AM

Perhaps another PC but with a moon phase.

ChetBaker · 31 December 2023, 09:33 AM

Some great suggestions. I hadn’t thought about a platinum Lange moonphase. That would add diversity from a brand, metal and complication perspective. Like the shout-outs for the Breguet. I have never tried a MG but with the 41mm sizes, open dials and long lugs they will likely be too large for my 17cm wrist. Please keep your suggestions coming!

HMHM · 31 December 2023, 09:34 AM

Would you consider the 16202? I feel the 16202 is a much refined version of the 15202.

RTG · 31 December 2023, 10:38 AM

You have an amazing collection! I would add the Breguet or Lange 1 Darth

7sins · 31 December 2023, 10:39 AM

Is there a budget you are trying to stay within? If you are considering ALS, I would look to this which checks your moonphase box and you don't have a salmon dial. Otherwise the 15202 jumbo of the ones you listed or a 5740 for an integrated bracelet QP with moonphase. IMO platinum isn't worth the additional money to WG.

llngoc · 31 December 2023, 10:40 AM

Breguet for me. I just tried this one a day ago and it is very nice. Just don’t pay full price

GB-man · 1 January 2024, 12:05 AM

Breguet provides the most value. I like the L1 the most of the list but wouldn’t personally pay extra for a stealth or darth. Would rather just buy a modern L1 WG and pocket the premium.

ChetBaker · 1 January 2024, 04:46 AM

Thanks again for your input. So slowly but surely I’m able to whittle the list down to three options: AP 15202, Breguet 7037 (love that rotor!) and the Lange 109.025. All three very different, and I’m leaning towards the AP simply because I don’t have an integrated bracelet watch and the other two overlap somewhat with the other dressier pieces in the collection. Someone asked about budget - well I initially thought “max 40k” but if it’s the 15202 then I will simply have to let go of one more watch. If anyone has further thoughts to share: feel free!

nickorette · 2 January 2024, 01:33 PM

My vote would be Duomètre, Lange 1 or AP, but I'm biased!

ChetBaker · 7 January 2024, 03:53 AM

Just to close off this thread. I just picked up a blue Streamliner Chrono today. So in the end I decided to double down on Moser as I really wanted something that stands out from the rest of my collection. It was a close race between a 15450 and the Moser, and the Moser just feels a little more special to me. Thanks for all your input!

subtona · 7 January 2024, 03:56 AM

AP Jumbo.

brandrea · 7 January 2024, 03:59 AM

I’m not familiar enough with all of your choices to give a very informed opinion.

I guess the 15202 is the one that stands out (to me)

enjoythemusic · 7 January 2024, 05:11 AM

Breguet

ts3 · 7 January 2024, 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChetBaker

Just to close off this thread. I just picked up a blue Streamliner Chrono today. So in the end I decided to double down on Moser as I really wanted something that stands out from the rest of my collection. It was a close race between a 15450 and the Moser, and the Moser just feels a little more special to me. Thanks for all your input!

A lot more special than a 15450 I might say. Big congrats!

WatchEater666 · 7 January 2024, 07:20 AM

The Breguet is better made and far more interesting than any of the others with maybe the exception of the Duometre.

Both are a nice discount used.

Breguet ~$14k - $16k used
Duometre ~$21k - $23k.

mammothjam · 7 January 2024, 12:03 PM

Plus one for the Breguet. Bought a rose gold 5817 this year and it's just great. As another poster mentioned, do not pay full msrp.

Jmaster · 7 January 2024, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChetBaker

Just to close off this thread. I just picked up a blue Streamliner Chrono today. So in the end I decided to double down on Moser as I really wanted something that stands out from the rest of my collection. It was a close race between a 15450 and the Moser, and the Moser just feels a little more special to me. Thanks for all your input!

Congrats. Do post some pictures of your new acquisition as well as your wonderful collection.

MILGAUSS88 · 12 January 2024, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChetBaker

On my shortlist I have:

5130P
JLC Duometre Lunaire
Lange 1 Darth or Stealth
Breguet 7027
AP 15202/15300/15450

I appreciate your thoughts/ideas and open to other suggestions.

Nice list. My choice would be the JLC Doumetre Lunaire.

Basic_Satisfaction · 12 January 2024, 05:54 PM

I'd sell some of those rolexs and go for a 15202 or 16202. If you still have an itch for a moonphase complication, you can trade your 5960 for a 5205g

misochew · 14 January 2024, 06:06 AM

+1 on the Lange.

30 December 2023, 07:41 PM	#1
ChetBaker "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Europe Posts: 551	Collection Advice Needed Gentlemen - I am calling on you for counsel on my next step in my collecting journey. Over the years I have bought, owned, enjoyed and sold many many different watches and I now find myself thinking about one or two nice pieces to round out the collection. These are the watches I currently own (sorry no pictures as I have no idea how to do that): 1. Patek 5960G 2. Patek 5235G 3. Vacheron 1955 CdV in steel 4. Moser Perpetual One in palladium 5. Laurent Ferrier Origin Opaline 6. Chopard LUC Quattro Mark II in white gold 7. Rolex 116400 Z-Blue 8. Rolex 116710 (all three inserts) 9. Rolex 16610LV Flat Four 10. Rolex 116622 blue dial My thinking is to sell the Milgauss and the Yachtmaster + top up for something that really adds diversity to the collection. Can go a number of ways. I like complications and I currently dont have a moonphase or worldtimer, I dont have platinum, I dont have an integrated bracelet sportswatch, no coloured metal, no non-round watch etc. On my shortlist I have: 5130P JLC Duometre Lunaire Lange 1 Darth or Stealth Breguet 7027 AP 15202/15300/15450 I appreciate your thoughts/ideas and open to other suggestions.

30 December 2023, 08:09 PM	#2
unknown "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 2,809	Looking at your shortlist ... DEFINITELY that breguet 7027 __________________ Instagram : @collectible_watches

31 December 2023, 10:38 AM	#10
RTG 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: USA Watch: Sky-Dweller Posts: 2,440	You have an amazing collection! I would add the Breguet or Lange 1 Darth __________________ Current Rotation: Explorer II 226570 White, Sky-Dweller 326934 Blue, Tudor FXD Red Bull Chrono, RPaige Wrocket Wife's Rotation: GMT-Master II 126710BLNR Jubilee, Moser Heritage Dual Time, Cartier De Santos Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2019

31 December 2023, 10:39 AM	#11
7sins "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Real Name: B. Location: Beverly Hills, CA Posts: 3,357	Is there a budget you are trying to stay within? If you are considering ALS, I would look to this which checks your moonphase box and you don't have a salmon dial. Otherwise the 15202 jumbo of the ones you listed or a 5740 for an integrated bracelet QP with moonphase. IMO platinum isn't worth the additional money to WG. __________________ Richard Mille RG RM030 \|\| Richard Mille RM72ti \|\| AP 26240 50TH Green Royal Oak Chrono \|\| AP Royal Oak Blue JUMBO SS 15202ST \|\| AP ROO Diver Green 15720ST \|\| ♕ Rolex Platinum Daytona Diamond 116506 \|\| Cartier Santos

1 January 2024, 12:05 AM	#13
GB-man 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 36,882	Breguet provides the most value. I like the L1 the most of the list but wouldn’t personally pay extra for a stealth or darth. Would rather just buy a modern L1 WG and pocket the premium. __________________

31 December 2023, 12:02 AM	#4
SoylentGreenChi "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2021 Location: États-Unis Watch: Patek, Rolex, Sinn Posts: 841	What a fabulous collection you have! Automatics, manual winds, independents . . . You mention liking complications and not having a moonphase or platinum. That all points to the ALS Lange 1 stealth. I’ve been watching this piece at European Watch Co. for about a month: https://www.europeanwatch.com/watch/...lve-50060.html If it were me, I’d add Moritz Grossmann to the shortlist. The new Tefnut friction dial is terrific (but similar to your Ferrier). The Grossmann backpage is fun and interesting, a bit like the Breguet in aesthetics. Grossmann is the new Lange, similar to what Lange was before Richemont.

31 December 2023, 01:03 AM	#5
vitalsigns "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: USA Posts: 518	Nice collection. I would target one of these: 1) Lange 1 moonphase in platinum (satisfies two of your don't-haves) 2) Breguet Tradition -- there are many great ones. The original is excellent, but any of them would add true diversity to your collection and they are wonderful pieces. Good luck!

31 December 2023, 01:19 AM	#6
travisb 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Travis Location: FL / NYC Watch: Yes.. Posts: 32,308	From your shortlist, the 15202 is THE one!

31 December 2023, 01:26 AM	#7
Calatrava r 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: United States Watch: Rolex and Patek Posts: 10,644	Perhaps another PC but with a moon phase.

31 December 2023, 09:33 AM	#8
ChetBaker "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Europe Posts: 551	Some great suggestions. I hadn’t thought about a platinum Lange moonphase. That would add diversity from a brand, metal and complication perspective. Like the shout-outs for the Breguet. I have never tried a MG but with the 41mm sizes, open dials and long lugs they will likely be too large for my 17cm wrist. Please keep your suggestions coming!

31 December 2023, 09:34 AM	#9
HMHM "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2019 Real Name: HM Location: 🇲🇾 Posts: 2,368	Would you consider the 16202? I feel the 16202 is a much refined version of the 15202.

31 December 2023, 10:40 AM	#12
llngoc "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: USA Posts: 2,400	Breguet for me. I just tried this one a day ago and it is very nice. Just don’t pay full price

1 January 2024, 04:46 AM	#14
ChetBaker "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Europe Posts: 551	Thanks again for your input. So slowly but surely I’m able to whittle the list down to three options: AP 15202, Breguet 7037 (love that rotor!) and the Lange 109.025. All three very different, and I’m leaning towards the AP simply because I don’t have an integrated bracelet watch and the other two overlap somewhat with the other dressier pieces in the collection. Someone asked about budget - well I initially thought “max 40k” but if it’s the 15202 then I will simply have to let go of one more watch. If anyone has further thoughts to share: feel free!

2 January 2024, 01:33 PM	#15
nickorette "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: Canada Posts: 257	My vote would be Duomètre, Lange 1 or AP, but I'm biased! __________________ IWC: Portuguese Min. Repeater, Pilot 36, Pallweber RG, Vintage Pilot's, Ingenieur Patek: 5098P, 5738R, 5120G, 5172G JLC: Reverso Classic, Duomètre, Polaris Memovox 50th, MUTM Enamel AP: 15450 Lange: Lange 1, Copper Blue, Richard Lange, 1815 Up/Down Rolex: 116000, 116520, 126655, 124060, 116505, 228238 Panerai: Luminor 676 Omega: Aqua Terra, SM 300, Museum N°10, SM 321, CK 859 Cartier: Santos Medium, Tank LC VC: Cornes De Vache, Triple Calendrier, 222, 4300V/120R FPJ: CS LF: Classic Micro Rotor

7 January 2024, 03:53 AM	#16
ChetBaker "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Europe Posts: 551	Just to close off this thread. I just picked up a blue Streamliner Chrono today. So in the end I decided to double down on Moser as I really wanted something that stands out from the rest of my collection. It was a close race between a 15450 and the Moser, and the Moser just feels a little more special to me. Thanks for all your input!

7 January 2024, 03:56 AM	#17
subtona "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: gus Location: East Coast Watch: APK & sometimes Y Posts: 26,029	AP Jumbo. __________________

7 January 2024, 03:59 AM	#18
brandrea 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Brian (TBone) Location: canada Watch: es make me smile Posts: 73,949	I’m not familiar enough with all of your choices to give a very informed opinion. I guess the 15202 is the one that stands out (to me)

7 January 2024, 05:11 AM	#19
enjoythemusic 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Real Name: Steven Location: Glocal Posts: 19,569	Breguet __________________ __________________ “Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming 'Wow! What a Ride!'” -- Hunter S. Thompson Sent from my Etch A Sketch using String Theory.

7 January 2024, 07:20 AM	#21
WatchEater666 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 1,678	The Breguet is better made and far more interesting than any of the others with maybe the exception of the Duometre. Both are a nice discount used. Breguet ~$14k - $16k used Duometre ~$21k - $23k.

7 January 2024, 12:03 PM	#22
mammothjam "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2022 Location: New York, NY Posts: 21	Plus one for the Breguet. Bought a rose gold 5817 this year and it's just great. As another poster mentioned, do not pay full msrp.

12 January 2024, 05:54 PM	#25
Basic_Satisfaction "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: SoCal Posts: 86	I'd sell some of those rolexs and go for a 15202 or 16202. If you still have an itch for a moonphase complication, you can trade your 5960 for a 5205g

14 January 2024, 06:06 AM	#26
misochew "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2023 Real Name: Eaton B. Location: California Watch: n+1 Posts: 68	+1 on the Lange.

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