The big question is: Will there be a 5712/1a in the nautilus lineup next year?

[Alibamo]

Initially when Patek updated the 5712 steel description on their website, showing it to have the new/updated bracelet, it put any rumours of it being discontinued to rest. They have since removed that update and thrown an even larger cloud of mystery over this.

My suggestion would be, if anyone really wants this particular reference, now may be the best time to go grey and pull that trigger. Prices are lowest they have been in a while and if this watch is discontinued they will bounce back again.

Keep in mind, this reference has had a much shorter production run than the 5711, hence will have a smaller supply in the market once its retired

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[ts3]

Originally Posted by Alibamo

Initially when Patek updated the 5712 steel description on their website, showing it to have the new/updated bracelet, it put any rumours of it being discontinued to rest. They have since removed that update and thrown an even larger cloud of mystery over this.

My suggestion would be, if anyone really wants this particular reference, now may be the best time to go grey and pull that trigger. Prices are lowest they have been in a while and if this watch is discontinued they will bounce back again.

Keep in mind, this reference has had a much shorter production run than the 5711, hence will have a smaller supply in the market once its retired

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Wrong... The steel 5712 will have a longer production run than 5711 as both were launched together in 2006. It is not a rare watch by Patek standards - most likely there are on the order of 10k out there (give or take a few thousand) - and I don't think discontinuation would break the underlying trend.

[bob101]

I think it’s a definite possibility and with the move to bigger and precious metal.
It’s my favourite nautilus and for me much more interesting and unique than the 5711 while retaining similar slim profile as the 5711.
Personally I reckon once discontinued it will be sought after and more appreciated for its asymmetric dial, something very different in the nautilus line.

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by Alibamo

Initially when Patek updated the 5712 steel description on their website, showing it to have the new/updated bracelet, it put any rumours of it being discontinued to rest. They have since removed that update and thrown an even larger cloud of mystery over this.

My suggestion would be, if anyone really wants this particular reference, now may be the best time to go grey and pull that trigger. Prices are lowest they have been in a while and if this watch is discontinued they will bounce back again.

Keep in mind, this reference has had a much shorter production run than the 5711, hence will have a smaller supply in the market once its retired

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Are you selling one?

[Nico81]

Thats my favorite nautilus


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[Nico81]

Originally Posted by Alibamo

Initially when Patek updated the 5712 steel description on their website, showing it to have the new/updated bracelet, it put any rumours of it being discontinued to rest. They have since removed that update and thrown an even larger cloud of mystery over this.

My suggestion would be, if anyone really wants this particular reference, now may be the best time to go grey and pull that trigger. Prices are lowest they have been in a while and if this watch is discontinued they will bounce back again.

Keep in mind, this reference has had a much shorter production run than the 5711, hence will have a smaller supply in the market once its retired

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Yea Its so rare.. it has been in production since 2006… better get this rare bird before they go for a $1m+ on Philips auctions


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[rolexpatek363]

Originally Posted by Russell996

Are you selling one?

I might be, do you want one? It depends on how good the Lotus Emira is vs Porsche Cayman, though, so don't hold your breath.

P.S. Yes I think it's likely the 5712A will be struck off.

[DigitalNsane]

Anyone have see in real the 5712 with the new clasp?
If have the new clasp...nothing discontinued ;)

[rolexpatek363]

Originally Posted by DigitalNsane

Anyone have see in real the 5712 with the new clasp?
If have the new clasp...nothing discontinued ;)

It's only a clasp. PP could potentially use the new clasp across all the other steel models, and still discontinue the 5712A, couldn't they?

[DigitalNsane]

But don't have sense put a new clasp for only 2 months ;)

[rolexpatek363]

Originally Posted by DigitalNsane

But don't have sense put a new clasp for only 2 months ;)

Why not, if they are making it anyway for other steel Nautilus variants? It could be a "rare transitional" watch!

[DigitalNsane]

hahahahaha, for this yes...but only for this :))

[DigitalNsane]

Anyway...I see now in the patek.com...5712 with old clasp.

[rolexpatek363]

Originally Posted by DigitalNsane

hahahahaha, for this yes...but only for this :))

LOL, exactly.

[DigitalNsane]

If don't have upgrade the clasp in the Patek.com probably discontinued next year.

[DK7]

Only nautilus with old clasp, i am sure 5712/1A steel will end soon

[byow]

The 5712 has the « adjustable » clasp.

This is directly from PP website:

« BRACELET
Steel bracelet. Patented fold-over clasp with lockable adjustment system. »

[DK7]

Originally Posted by byow

The 5712 has the « adjustable » clasp.

This is directly from PP website:

« BRACELET
Steel bracelet. Patented fold-over clasp with lockable adjustment system. »

Yes but in real world no 2023 5712/a have it. My AD has a new 5712/a just delivered from Patek old clasp.

[Patek3712]

Originally Posted by Nico81

Yea Its so rare.. it has been in production since 2006… better get this rare bird before they go for a $1m+ on Philips auctions


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Maybe he meant the 3712...

[7sins]

Perhaps it goes the way of the 5811 and we see a WG 5712 iteration on bracelet with new clasp given the 5712/1R has the new clasp.

[Apheaven]

5812…


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[dpj17]

Originally Posted by Apheaven

5812…


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Inside Info!!

[JMac6]

I have a 2023 5712 and it has the old clasp.

I do not know if there will be a 5812. The design of the 5712 is derived from the peculiar layout of the 240 PS IRM C LU. Patek is seemingly phasing out the 240 and derivations thereof in favor of the 31-260 and derivations of that movement. So far, I have yet to see an iteration of that movement with that quirky asymmetrical layout. That is not to say that Patek will not create a derivation of the 31-260 with the quirky asymmetrical layout - but who knows. If Patek does make a 5812 with that new movement, I do think that it will, of necessity, be larger in diameter.

A long way of saying, perhaps the 5712 will not have a successor.

[Ashj52]

Originally Posted by JMac6

I have a 2023 5712 and it has the old clasp.

I do not know if there will be a 5812. The design of the 5712 is derived from the peculiar layout of the 240 PS IRM C LU. Patek is seemingly phasing out the 240 and derivations thereof in favor of the 31-260 and derivations of that movement. So far, I have yet to see an iteration of that movement with that quirky asymmetrical layout. That is not to say that Patek will not create a derivation of the 31-260 with the quirky asymmetrical layout - but who knows. If Patek does make a 5812 with that new movement, I do think that it will, of necessity, be larger in diameter.

A long way of saying, perhaps the 5712 will not have a successor.

Thanks for your input as it it interesting that it has the old clasp, congratulations on obtaining a 5712 its beautiful.

[Antonomers]

That 5712 is a beaut! congrats! could never think i'd own one from retail in this lifetime

[DK7]

get it if you can

[Apheaven]

^Great picture of the dial color

[Nico81]

5712a has been on “chopping block” since 2015
Its not going anywhere
Its the best nautilus in my opinion

And just like 5711, 5712 is very common and far cry from rare and low production run

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[SoylentGreenChi]

Originally Posted by Nico81

5712a has been on “chopping block” since 2015
Its not going anywhere
Its the best nautilus in my opinion

And just like 5711, 5712 is very common and far cry from rare and low production run

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Agreed. I have wanted a 5712a for awhile now, and have legitimately been on a list for about 2 years, but if it gets cancelled I’ll enjoy having the $50k instead. At this price point, I can take it or leave it. It seems aggressively priced at just over 50k USD, tbh, and I say that as an enthusiast for this particular reference with the funds ready to go. The secondary market pricing is relevant to me only as I calculate potential insurance premiums as well as the risk of getting hit over the head by a mugger if I wear the watch.

[JR16]

Originally Posted by Nico81

5712a has been on “chopping block” since 2015
Its not going anywhere
Its the best nautilus in my opinion

And just like 5711, 5712 is very common and far cry from rare and low production run

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Out of curiosity can you define “very common”? What is production # annually on the 5712a? And seems like waiting lists are still measured in years? Personally I still have never seen one in the wild other than the one I own.


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