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1956 Big Crown Submariner
I'm basically trying to figure what i have. I have a 1956 Submariner and the serial number is 158319, the band is a 1964. The watch has been sitting in a dresser for 35+ years. I took it to Tivol and the watch specialist let me know I had a valuable watch, but nothing more. The wrist strap was missing a pin and the crown was not working correctly. He said that the someone put a newer luminescence on the watch and that they did a good job. I said that was impossible. The watch has been in a drawer for at least 35+ years. I'm just trying to figure out the value of this watch and should I stick it back in the drawer for another 15 years or sell it. I apologize for the pictures. I can take some better pictures when I get home tonight. Any thought would be much appreciated.
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We really need to see better pics to judge authenticity and value. Only thing I can tell is that the bezel insert is much later than 1956.
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Crown looks a bit strange, like Per said much better images are needed...
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In 2015 Tivol replaced the crown, I have the receipt in 2015 and fixed the pin on the strap. I have the receipt from Tivol. That is why it sat in a drawer for 35+ years. I'm trying to upload better images, but it wont let me.
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Use an external host like imgur.com or similar.
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Actually I'm not sure of the year. I plugged the serial number in on a website and it said 1956. I'm not sure if that's right either. Sorry for the confusion.
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That serial number would be correct for 1956. Is it possible someone re-lumed it in the early 80s, or possibly before the 35 years in the drawer?
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It says I have to have 10 post and my current post count is 3 in order to submit a link of my photos.
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Kingface66, It is possible, but it was my grandfathers watch and he was extremely cheap. He received it as a gift from one of his wife's. I doubt he would have paid a dime for that to be done. But, it is possible. I think he did try and get the crown repaired years ago, because something broke on it.
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Nope it won't let me. Now it says i have 4 post count.
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that receipt and comments from this thread provided most of the information you need about the watch - model 6538, serial 158,319, cal 1030, newer bezel insert (need a side photo). Negative: relumed dial, newer crown (unless you still have the old one), polish did not help - polish never helps as it removes metal from the case. Rare and expensive model. Desirable as is, very desirable if it was all original.
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Hands and dial relumed. Later insert and incorrect crown. Really hard to judge from these pics but value might land around 50k perhaps. Not the easiest of sales in that condition. I might be off value wise as I wouldn’t consider it myself.
It’s a rare watch but not really possible to source parts to it. Would probably look decent with a professional relume inatead of what is there today. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Thanks Roh123, Its hard for me to believe that it was relumed. Is it possible it was done in the 60-70's. Also, how can you tell its a later insert? I wonder if the initial owner had it relumed when he was getting a new strap back in 1964. I can tell you my grand father would not have done it and he had it after the individual passed away. Thanks for your input.
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Thanks Roh123. You guys know your watches and I'm learning a lot.
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Not 100% certain, but I don't think I've seen a 6538 with the 200 that far over to the left. if anything it should be lined up a little to the right of the S in Submariner. Could the dial have been repainted?
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Dial is refinished as well. Did they put on a 7mm crown instead of the 8mm big crown? Looks very odd..
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I guess at this point do you guys think it's worth anything? I thought I had something special, but evidently there were mods done to it that inevitably ruined it. Thoughts?
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If all else is not correct, the case still holds good value.
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I wouldn't say completely ruined necessarily, but worth considerably less unfortunately...I'd have the crown replaced with the correct big crown and if you feel like dropping the coin on a period correct insert do that as well...of course that insert will be very expensive...then wear that bad boy..
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