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avicenna · 11 March 2022, 11:10 AM

This is my 1986 5513.

I have asked multiple watchmakers. Hard to be sure what has caused this. Not your classic spider dial.

zapokee · 11 March 2022, 11:27 AM

Looks like a combination of spidering and scratching.

My theory: Someone stored the dial unprotected in a box of other loose parts, which caused the scratches and probably exacerbated the spidering.

Discuss.

Dan S · 11 March 2022, 12:00 PM

It's certainly different than the usual spider cracking, which generally has straight connecting lines.

TuRo · 11 March 2022, 07:49 PM

This is just the very thin outer lacquer cracking seen it on a 16610 once….what eventually happens is that in places it lifts and flakes off, signs of this happening already between HR mkt 7 and 8 and the crescent under the 1 HR marker looks like it's about to pucker (potentially going into the calibre or hanging about the rehaut like an unwanted dinner guest) and leaving a slightly more matte segment in its wake, which is not that becoming in my eyes, but if you already own it it might go ten years before worsening so no real biggie if you leave it and at least it's (almost) unique in appearance - but others may differ on that view as beauty is in the eye of beholder and all that…
Edit: Forgot to mention that while this is less intrusive than a spider dial that can on occasion crack through numerous layers numerous layers they are usually very stable after the initial cracking. This though will be progressive and there is nothing you can do to halt it or speed it up. Worst case scenario a good used t dial on a 5513 86 to early 90s are circa 15-20% of watch value at c $1500-2000 and these puppies are going up that amnt every 15 months anyway ! :-)
Ps One dealer I know would in these crazy times probably up-sell this, and say it has a rare flaky pastry dial !

karleone · 11 March 2022, 08:08 PM

This is just a very bad condition dial. I wouldn’t pay anything for this!

Vincent65 · 11 March 2022, 08:30 PM

Lacquer cracking/crazing likely due to moisture ingress at some point, even minimal dampness rather than flooding.

Wahlberg · 11 March 2022, 10:44 PM

More pictures of the watch? Looks cool to be honest.

Quote:

Originally Posted by karleone

This is just a very bad condition dial. I wouldn’t pay anything for this!

Who cares about collectors and if someone wouldn't touch it. At the right price I would buy and wear it.

George58 · 12 March 2022, 08:34 PM

my two cents the dial has been messed with on purpose

karleone · 12 March 2022, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wahlberg

More pictures of the watch? Looks cool to be honest.

Who cares about collectors and if someone wouldn't touch it. At the right price I would buy and wear it.

If you are happy buying a destroyed dial go for it faites vous plaisir!

avicenna · 13 March 2022, 08:18 AM

Thanks for your input.

Dan S · 13 March 2022, 09:05 AM

Out of curiosity for the OP, are you the original owner of the watch? If so, when and how did this damage start to appear?

avicenna · 13 March 2022, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan S

Out of curiosity for the OP, are you the original owner of the watch? If so, when and how did this damage start to appear?

No, I got the watch 4 years ago. No idea, that is why I am reaching out. When I first got the watch I just figured it was some unique patina. But I have not seen one like this since, so I am very confused.

MrChamfers · 13 March 2022, 10:58 AM

It looks pretty cool,if you want an original look you could find an old dial. But I wouldn't, I'd just wear it like that.
Maybe more pics could give a clue, it looks like a combo of scratches and paint defect to me, like zapokee said.

avicenna · 3 August 2022, 02:20 AM

Thanks guys

1675-David · 3 August 2022, 04:13 AM

It's the rare and highly sought after Lee "Scratch" Perry dial...

arff arff arff !!!

KY.. · 3 August 2022, 11:55 AM

Ice-Skating-Rink dial or pre-Zamboni dial…

springer · 3 August 2022, 12:50 PM

In response to the OP's question, the dial is severely damaged.

For me, it really doesn't matter how the damage occurred, just that it occurred.

But, if you like it, I like it.

indianmachine · 3 August 2022, 02:13 PM

Curious, did you buy it like that or did that happen over your ownership period?

avicenna · 27 August 2022, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by indianmachine

Curious, did you buy it like that or did that happen over your ownership period?

It was purchased like that

11 March 2022, 12:00 PM	#3
Dan S 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 5,907	It's certainly different than the usual spider cracking, which generally has straight connecting lines. __________________ @oldwatchdan on IG

11 March 2022, 07:49 PM	#4
TuRo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Real Name: Paul Location: Cantabrigia - G.B Watch: ing the detectives Posts: 2,508	This is just the very thin outer lacquer cracking seen it on a 16610 once….what eventually happens is that in places it lifts and flakes off, signs of this happening already between HR mkt 7 and 8 and the crescent under the 1 HR marker looks like it's about to pucker (potentially going into the calibre or hanging about the rehaut like an unwanted dinner guest) and leaving a slightly more matte segment in its wake, which is not that becoming in my eyes, but if you already own it it might go ten years before worsening so no real biggie if you leave it and at least it's (almost) unique in appearance - but others may differ on that view as beauty is in the eye of beholder and all that… Edit: Forgot to mention that while this is less intrusive than a spider dial that can on occasion crack through numerous layers numerous layers they are usually very stable after the initial cracking. This though will be progressive and there is nothing you can do to halt it or speed it up. Worst case scenario a good used t dial on a 5513 86 to early 90s are circa 15-20% of watch value at c $1500-2000 and these puppies are going up that amnt every 15 months anyway ! :-) Ps One dealer I know would in these crazy times probably up-sell this, and say it has a rare flaky pastry dial ! __________________ So the graduations hang on the wall, but they never really helped us at all, No they never taught us what was real, Iron and coke, chromium steel, And we're waiting here in Allentown.... ALLENTOWN - Billy Joel

11 March 2022, 08:30 PM	#6
Vincent65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Switzerland Posts: 14,293	Lacquer cracking/crazing likely due to moisture ingress at some point, even minimal dampness rather than flooding. __________________

13 March 2022, 09:05 AM	#11
Dan S 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 5,907	Out of curiosity for the OP, are you the original owner of the watch? If so, when and how did this damage start to appear? __________________ @oldwatchdan on IG

3 August 2022, 11:55 AM	#16
KY.. 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2021 Real Name: Keith Location: California Watch: 60s to 90s Posts: 1,262	Ice-Skating-Rink dial or pre-Zamboni dial… __________________ Just an admirer/enthusiast of vintage Rolex/Heuer/Zenith/Breitling/Hamilton watches since the 80’s… ”I Do Love The Details, But I Can Choose If I Accept The Flaws…”

11 March 2022, 11:27 AM	#2
zapokee "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Japan Posts: 4,344	Looks like a combination of spidering and scratching. My theory: Someone stored the dial unprotected in a box of other loose parts, which caused the scratches and probably exacerbated the spidering. Discuss.

11 March 2022, 08:08 PM	#5
karleone "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Dayona Posts: 1,894	This is just a very bad condition dial. I wouldn’t pay anything for this!

12 March 2022, 08:34 PM	#8
George58 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: Home Watch: Patek Aquanaut Posts: 837	my two cents the dial has been messed with on purpose

13 March 2022, 08:18 AM	#10
avicenna "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 11	Thanks for your input.

13 March 2022, 10:58 AM	#13
MrChamfers Banned Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: USA!! Watch: ing Warriors ball Posts: 710	It looks pretty cool,if you want an original look you could find an old dial. But I wouldn't, I'd just wear it like that. Maybe more pics could give a clue, it looks like a combo of scratches and paint defect to me, like zapokee said.

3 August 2022, 02:20 AM	#14
avicenna "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 11	Thanks guys

3 August 2022, 04:13 AM	#15
1675-David "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Stockholm Posts: 6,014	It's the rare and highly sought after Lee "Scratch" Perry dial... arff arff arff !!!

3 August 2022, 12:50 PM	#17
springer 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,197	In response to the OP's question, the dial is severely damaged. For me, it really doesn't matter how the damage occurred, just that it occurred. But, if you like it, I like it. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

3 August 2022, 02:13 PM	#18
indianmachine "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: USA Posts: 790	Curious, did you buy it like that or did that happen over your ownership period?

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