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Submarino · 25 January 2017, 02:43 AM

One of my favorite releases this year at the SIHH 2017. Enjoy!!!

http://www.watchcollectinglifestyle....ctures-pricing

jhcam8 · 25 January 2017, 04:26 AM

Pretty cool pieces. Like to see one live.

Cru Jones · 25 January 2017, 07:42 AM

Great post and pics! That dial.....

THEPAM687 · 25 January 2017, 07:59 AM

Flipping awesome great report and great photos can't wait to get mine very soon

Psmith · 25 January 2017, 08:58 AM

Beautiful pieces - esp the 687 with that dial

nick c · 25 January 2017, 09:30 AM

Awesome

Hairdude1 · 25 January 2017, 11:48 AM

Awesome shots

fullcourt · 25 January 2017, 12:13 PM

....great piece, can't wait to get 'the call'

Daryl · 25 January 2017, 01:49 PM

nice!

Ruud Van Driver · 25 January 2017, 09:14 PM

That 687 is a stunner. If only it came in a Luminor case

fullcourt · 25 January 2017, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruud Van Driver

That 687 is a stunner. If only it came in a Luminor case

663?

i know, kinda but not really, lol

THEPAM687 · 25 January 2017, 11:08 PM

Isn't she gorgeous

B. Doggy · 27 January 2017, 01:30 PM

Thanks for sharing. I thing they're gorgeous, but the writing on the bezel bothers me. I get all the history and all, though it's what we look at constantly. Just my 2 pennies.

fullcourt · 27 January 2017, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B. Doggy

Thanks for sharing. I thing they're gorgeous, but the writing on the bezel bothers me. I get all the history and all, though it's what we look at constantly. Just my 2 pennies.

can't wait to get mine, bezel writing and all, lol

THEPAM687 · 27 January 2017, 05:35 PM

Bezel writings original to very first pam3646 models so totally a re issue

mfer · 27 January 2017, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by THEPAM687

Bezel writings original to very first pam3646 models so totally a re issue

Show me the proof it was used in service like that.

The 3646 case back and bezel are the exact same screw size. They basically screw over the dial. Very dangerous to damage the precious 3646 dial as the edges can get ground by the twisting action. What likely happened is that someone had an extra case back and just put it on the front.

Not saying it doesn't look good, just not the "original 3646".

mfer · 27 January 2017, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Submarino

One of my favorite releases this year at the SIHH 2017. Enjoy!!!

http://www.watchcollectinglifestyle....ctures-pricing

Not much mention of the profile of this watch. Can you confirm it is the same case profile as a 424/425/448/449? I know the bezel is thicker on this 685/687 but what about the rest?

Nice review.

jhcam8 · 28 January 2017, 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfer

Show me the proof it was used in service like that.

The 3646 case back and bezel are the exact same screw size. They basically screw over the dial. Very dangerous to damage the precious 3646 dial as the edges can get ground by the twisting action. What likely happened is that someone had an extra case back and just put it on the front.

Not saying it doesn't look good, just not the "original 3646".

THEPAM687 · 28 January 2017, 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfer

Show me the proof it was used in service like that.

The 3646 case back and bezel are the exact same screw size. They basically screw over the dial. Very dangerous to damage the precious 3646 dial as the edges can get ground by the twisting action. What likely happened is that someone had an extra case back and just put it on the front.

Not saying it doesn't look good, just not the "original 3646".

Just google it there's plenty of reference to it 3646 watches with dodecagonal (12-sided) bezels bearing “Officine Panerai – Brevettato” engravings are/were believed to be the early prototypes, specifically produced for demonstration purposes.

There are two very prominent pieces worth mentioning. One of them has a beautifully faded Radiomir Panerai dial and the other has a “California” dial.

According to the book “Panerai – Una storia Italiana“, the first Ref. 3646 watches were delivered to G. Panerai e Figlio in 1940.

Panerai stick their history you should know this and need to really look into it in more detail before commenting incorrectly.

THEPAM687 · 28 January 2017, 02:09 AM

And here's more proof

The 685/687 are inspired by a special Radiomir from the 1930's ref3646A. Historically, this is the watch that really kicked it off for Panerai. Since Rolex had already patented a water proof watch, Panerai had the cases and movements made for them by Rolex SA. The exact date of when this took place is hard to decipher but we know it was between 1936 and 1938.
These vintage watches were very special and rare because they are the ones that went into war and witnessed war. It is, therefore, that we know the Type A also as the “Warbirds”.This is by all intents and purposes the first Panerai watch and the birth of the Radiomir as we know it!

mfer · 28 January 2017, 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by THEPAM687

Just google it there's plenty of reference to it 3646 watches with dodecagonal (12-sided) bezels bearing “Officine Panerai – Brevettato” engravings are/were believed to be the early prototypes, specifically produced for demonstration purposes.

There are two very prominent pieces worth mentioning. One of them has a beautifully faded Radiomir Panerai dial and the other has a “California” dial.

According to the book “Panerai – Una storia Italiana“, the first Ref. 3646 watches were delivered to G. Panerai e Figlio in 1940.

Panerai stick their history you should know this and need to really look into it in more detail before commenting incorrectly.

You just said it yourself. Demonstration purposes. I didn't comment incorrectly. Those watches likely never saw service. We are splitting hairs I guess. In the world of these vintage pieces anything could have happened as nothing was documented fully. I guess no one can prove anything definitively. The ones proven to have been worn in service didn't have those caseback bezels.

Let's try to not get defensive in our posts here.

THEPAM687 · 28 January 2017, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfer

You just said it yourself. Demonstration purposes. I didn't comment incorrectly. Those watches likely never saw service. We are splitting hairs I guess. In the world of these vintage pieces anything could have happened as nothing was documented fully. I guess no one can prove anything definitively. The ones proven to have been worn in service didn't have those caseback bezels.

Let's try to not get defensive in our posts here.

See my second post they did see war as 3646A neither of us were there to know but we can agree they are historically absolutely correct 100% at least - just enjoy it it's utterly beautiful arguebly,oh and also dimensionally correct too it's not as thick as say the 448/449 etc.

THEPAM687 · 28 January 2017, 07:03 AM

Also the kampfshwimmer will be available later in year too ill post pics when I receive that too

mfer · 28 January 2017, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by THEPAM687

See my second post they did see war as 3646A neither of us were there to know but we can agree they are historically absolutely correct 100% at least - just enjoy it it's utterly beautiful arguebly,oh and also dimensionally correct too it's not as thick as say the 448/449 etc.

Would love to see some profile pics compared to he 448/449 cases. Those two were just to thick for my liking. That is why I like he 232 so much. Great dimensions. If the 687 is thinner, I might be in trouble.

Any fully agree the 685/7 are stunners. Just wish I could see how thick they are.

THEPAM687 · 28 January 2017, 09:58 AM

i think you're in trouble (need to buy it) this is the thickness or thinness ;)
687 first then 449 then 687 again to compare I don't know exact measurements though but visually you can see it's thinner too

mfer · 28 January 2017, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by THEPAM687

i think you're in trouble (need to buy it) this is the thickness or thinness ;)
687 first then 449 then 687 again to compare I don't know exact measurements though but visually you can see it's thinner too

Man....it does look thinner. Not a good year for me to buy a brand new watch, but I might have too. Guess I'll call the boutique tomorrow. Doh!

Thanks for the profile pics!

fullcourt · 28 January 2017, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by THEPAM687

i think you're in trouble (need to buy it) this is the thickness or thinness ;)
687 first then 449 then 687 again to compare I don't know exact measurements though but visually you can see it's thinner too

....drool....

Cru Jones · 28 January 2017, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfer

Man....it does look thinner. Not a good year for me to buy a brand new watch, but I might have too. Guess I'll call the boutique tomorrow. Doh!

Thanks for the profile pics!

THEPAM687 · 29 January 2017, 01:30 AM

Another profile pic it's much slimmer than 448/449 for example :)

Cru Jones · 29 January 2017, 03:15 AM

^ Looks perfect....thanks for the pics!

25 January 2017, 02:43 AM	#1
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25 January 2017, 04:26 AM	#2
jhcam8 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Jim Location: SE MI, USA Watch: Sub C Posts: 2,067	Pretty cool pieces. Like to see one live.

25 January 2017, 07:42 AM	#3
Cru Jones 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Paris, France Posts: 34,475	Great post and pics! That dial.....

25 January 2017, 07:59 AM	#4
THEPAM687 Banned Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: London Posts: 118	Flipping awesome great report and great photos can't wait to get mine very soon

25 January 2017, 09:30 AM	#6
nick c Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 26,846	Awesome

25 January 2017, 09:14 PM	#10
Ruud Van Driver "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Real Name: Chopped Liver Location: S. Wales Valleys Watch: Mickey Mouse Posts: 9,924	That 687 is a stunner. If only it came in a Luminor case __________________ 116520 Black, 116610 LVc, 116660 D-Blue, 116610 LNc, 116622 Blue, PAM359, PAM689, PAM737 *"Why should you allow an AD to shake you down, just so you can buy a watch" - Grady Philpott* Card carrying member of TRF's Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

25 January 2017, 11:08 PM	#12
THEPAM687 Banned Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: London Posts: 118	Isn't she gorgeous

27 January 2017, 01:30 PM	#13
B. Doggy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Bryan Location: Oregon Posts: 7,399	Thanks for sharing. I thing they're gorgeous, but the writing on the bezel bothers me. I get all the history and all, though it's what we look at constantly. Just my 2 pennies. __________________ Rolex / Panerai / Omega

27 January 2017, 05:35 PM	#15
THEPAM687 Banned Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: London Posts: 118	Bezel writings original to very first pam3646 models so totally a re issue

28 January 2017, 02:09 AM	#20
THEPAM687 Banned Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: London Posts: 118	And here's more proof The 685/687 are inspired by a special Radiomir from the 1930's ref3646A. Historically, this is the watch that really kicked it off for Panerai. Since Rolex had already patented a water proof watch, Panerai had the cases and movements made for them by Rolex SA. The exact date of when this took place is hard to decipher but we know it was between 1936 and 1938. These vintage watches were very special and rare because they are the ones that went into war and witnessed war. It is, therefore, that we know the Type A also as the “Warbirds”.This is by all intents and purposes the first Panerai watch and the birth of the Radiomir as we know it!

28 January 2017, 07:03 AM	#23
THEPAM687 Banned Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: London Posts: 118	Also the kampfshwimmer will be available later in year too ill post pics when I receive that too

28 January 2017, 09:58 AM	#25
THEPAM687 Banned Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: London Posts: 118	i think you're in trouble (need to buy it) this is the thickness or thinness ;) 687 first then 449 then 687 again to compare I don't know exact measurements though but visually you can see it's thinner too

29 January 2017, 01:30 AM	#29
THEPAM687 Banned Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: London Posts: 118	Another profile pic it's much slimmer than 448/449 for example :)

29 January 2017, 03:15 AM	#30
Cru Jones 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Paris, France Posts: 34,475	^ Looks perfect....thanks for the pics!

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