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Old 20 August 2011, 03:56 AM   #31
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Not for parts, fellas, it is complete. And here are couple better angles - my apologies, I snapped some of the initial pics in haste.

Quick disclaimer this watch is a part of a private deal, so I am not attempting to by-pass the rules of the FS, as it will not be sold there, now or at a later date. Both VMM and I are seeking educated opinions, not offers.

That said - to watch porn

As I mentioned, she's-a complete









Orchi, please feel free to comment on the 'correctness' for the time period, but from the digging that I have done, the box appears right for late-60's, and the rest of the accoutrements are right. I found it interesting to see the 'How It Works' insert - we take some knowledge for granted nowadays

Better look between the other lugs



The original insert, for John







Better lit angle of the left lugs







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And please abandon the notion that honest opinions could possibly 'offend' - they're welcomed.
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Old 20 August 2011, 04:21 AM   #32
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very nice; I'd put that original insert back in if it were mine!
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Old 20 August 2011, 04:49 AM   #33
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Greg, I know a little about 1675's and that is a sweet complete set.

My only minor complaint would be the shorter 2 o'clock lug as Buddy Orchi wisely noted.

As mentioned above, practically every vintage piece has some slight imperfections unless NOS.

Overall, I would say this package is a gem.
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Old 20 August 2011, 04:56 AM   #34
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Pics look nice, looks like a decent 1675. It depends on what it cost, Iv seen a lot worse for sale. Lugs look a little uneven, insert is newer, its an old watch with some milage,it is what it is. Look under the hood, if the mvt checks out and ser. no. is appropriate and the price is right and you are not a picky purist!!!, go for it.
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Old 20 August 2011, 05:00 AM   #35
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is the endlink poorly shaped - which is why we perceive the 2 oclock lug to be shorter? nice watch by the way. wanna swap straight up for my 1601. no B&P, but has a blue dial and a shitie jubi? kidding. nice GMT. i miss my old 16750. harry
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Old 20 August 2011, 06:30 AM   #36
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I'm new to all this but if you'll have a second look at the photo above (side shot of the stem) showing the suspect 2 o'clock lug and compare the relative distance of the 2 o'clock lughole to the 4 o'clock lug hole, they look pretty much equal to me. Therefore my money's on a deformed end piece and not an over-worked lug.

just say'n
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Old 20 August 2011, 09:36 AM   #37
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The end pieces on these rivet bracelets are always way out, I have had several and they are always a bad fit.
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Old 20 August 2011, 09:47 AM   #38
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I'm new to all this but if you'll have a second look at the photo above (side shot of the stem) showing the suspect 2 o'clock lug and compare the relative distance of the 2 o'clock lughole to the 4 o'clock lug hole, they look pretty much equal to me. Therefore my money's on a deformed end piece and not an over-worked lug.

just say'n
You're absolutely correct - the lugs are identical length. Good eye

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The end pieces on these rivet bracelets are always way out, I have had several and they are always a bad fit.
Just had another person tell me exactly the same thing... Had no idea, thanks for educating us!

One thing I must mention - the notion that this is a 'parts' watch is laughable and I don't believe was taken seriously by anyone communicating in 1st person
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Old 20 August 2011, 10:11 AM   #39
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parts ....are you insane ..are you seriosuly suggesting thats a watch that should be broken into parts????


that's a lovely good looking full set watch ..that by the looks of it has been well looked after through its life.

1. the case has been polished, so what, thast probably also means the movement and seals have been regularly cared for , its not NOS but its a 40 year old watch with a great patina, unmarked dial with no nasty stains or discoloration and perfect matching hands if its priced fairly wheres the drama ....

2. its impossible to assess those lugs as (shaved) from angled pictures ..and is the danger with internet experts..and anyone who says they definitively can tell from those pictures one way or another is full of silliness.....you need it in your hands, especially with those notoriously poor quality and terrible fitting USA manufactured rivet bracelets that are hardly ever a good fit, nor hardly ever even equal to themselves.....you really cant see if there is an optical illusion going on there...and that doesn't even get started on the fact half the watches that left the factory as new had asymetric lugs

3. MK1 on a 3.o million (71/72) ...you are saying that is beyond the realms ..because it doesnt fit in any of your neat boxes by a few months....i think you've banged your head...its the absolute diametrically opposed argument to your own 6538 ....


ps.as the watch wasn't sold until 76, the bracelet could be a AD swap out for the probably factory supplied jubilee that many USA watches were shipped with and that many customers didnt like.


when we are that the stage that its suggested to part out something like that, then i really have to wonder if this hobby is losing its way ......
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Jedly, I wasn't suggesting it, that was mentioned earlier in the thread by one of our esteemed members.

I'll do my best to capture the lugs again - this it quite a task...
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Old 20 August 2011, 10:34 AM   #41
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Jedly, I wasn't suggesting it, that was mentioned earlier in the thread by one of our esteemed members.

I'll do my best to capture the lugs again - this it quite a task...
greg ..i wasnt directing the comment at you ..but at the 'esteemed' member.....as i have serious concerns he has taken leave of his senses....

the 'esteemed' member got it to a total value of $4550...ive got $5.5k waiting for you to save it from the scrappers.... all day long..just shout :)


and greg dont sweat the pictures unless you can rig a perfectly perpendicular jig you wont get anything other than an angled shot, and contary to what folks might think 2d angled pics do not give an accurate representation... and to be perfectly honest it isn't that big a deal either way as the case has been polished. Truth be told i'll taken an honestly looked after and polished case with a great looking dial and hands over an unpolished case with shitty dial all day long ...last time i checked you dont look at the lugs 50 times a day to tell the time.
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Old 20 August 2011, 11:08 AM   #42
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greg ..i wasnt directing the comment at you ..but at the 'esteemed' member.....as i have serious concerns he has taken leave of his senses....

the 'esteemed' member got it to a total value of $4550...ive got $5.5k waiting for you to save it from the scrappers.... all day long..just shout :)


and greg dont sweat the pictures unless you can rig a perfectly perpendicular jig you wont get anything other than an angled shot, and contary to what folks might think 2d angled pics do not give an accurate representation... and to be perfectly honest it isn't that big a deal either way as the case has been polished. Truth be told i'll taken an honestly looked after and polished case with a great looking dial and hands over an unpolished case with shitty dial all day long ...last time i checked you dont look at the lugs 50 times a day to tell the time.
Great read fellas...

Let me take this one step further and say the decks of the lugs ALSO have been brushed; the lack of defined chamfer is of course a clear tell that this piece has been manually honed but the light brushing and inconsistencies thereof are also indicative of molestation...

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Old 20 August 2011, 11:10 AM   #43
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Err Buddy Jedly...in almost every post you made in response to Orchi's postings here...
n elsewhere...you would see fit in attempting to take a swipe at Orchi's creditability...to gain some upperhand or some sort...
by repeating Orchi's 6538BC issues...
That's very thoughtful of you...eh?

The initial OP mentioned 3,xxx,xxx series 1675...
he should instead have said 3,0xx,xxx series which would make...
a good difference in its Dial variant on the watch...

The initial OP also didn't mentioned the watch had its original cert...etc.,
which would command extra consideration for the watch...

Nevertheless...Orchi said what Orchi sees especially on the Case...
being overpolished...

Now if that's what you don't wanna hear from Orchi...
that's just your own business...

Oh btw...about the original bezel of the watch...faded one.
Orchi kept telling another esteemed member in VRF that the bezel...
belongs to 16750...(with Blue back)
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Old 20 August 2011, 11:12 AM   #44
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Oh btw...about the original bezel of the watch...faded one.
Orchi kept telling another esteemed member in VRF that the bezel...
belongs to 16750...(with Blue back)
Cool - that helps - thanks
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Old 20 August 2011, 12:11 PM   #45
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Icon3 The elusive lug shot

Sorry it took this long - but I think this captures it. Yes, it is polished - but not that scary at all. My earlier pic angles/lighting, plus combination of a crooked end-piece, is what made the lug appear that much worse.

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Old 20 August 2011, 12:18 PM   #46
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Greg- you have yourself there a nice honest watch that is complete and would make the buyer happy for many years. I know you are pricing it right as well so the buyer gets himself a nice honest complete watch for a nice honest price...from a nice honest guy as well!
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Old 20 August 2011, 12:30 PM   #47
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Greg- you have yourself there a nice honest watch that is complete and would make the buyer happy for many years. I know you are pricing it right as well so the buyer gets himself a nice honest complete watch for a nice honest price...from a nice honest guy as well!
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Old 20 August 2011, 12:32 PM   #48
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to take a swipe at Orchi's creditability


what credibility ?...you have built yourself a reputation with newbies and beginner collectors alike by sitting at your desk and helpfully regurgetating what you have read elsewhere, you have promoted your personality to stand out by your excellent PR campaign of nonsensical third party prose....you demonstrated your true nature by the passive agressive and yet petulant way you handled the 6538 saga (regardless of whether the watch is right or wrong) of trying to portray yourself as a victim when you got the answers you didn't like, wrapping it up in pleasantries and using the word buddy a lot does not fool anyone....which i'm sure will be the response to this also.

....and all of that pales into insignificance with the assertion you just made that a perfectly nice full set watch should be broken up into parts, based on scans which are insufficient to make a full judgement, based on not bothering to acquire the full information about the piece like its serial or completeness before pronouncing...whether it should or shouldn't, doing so before having the full facts just shows how dangerous you actually are to the hobby.

a year ago a very wise and experienced collector, one of the fathers of our hobby warned me of just how dangerous you would prove to be to our hobby, to him, whom i know will be reading ...i apologize for not heeding your words.
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Can we wind down the intensity level a notch or two?

Can we also stick to discussing the watch rather than other members personalities, knowledge and beliefs.

I like the watch myself and I would be happy to wear it .......please
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Old 20 August 2011, 12:58 PM   #50
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I would buy the heck out of it. I am looking for one just like it as a matter of fact...but without papers etc...
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Old 20 August 2011, 02:00 PM   #51
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to take a swipe at Orchi's creditability


what credibility ?...you have built yourself a reputation with newbies and beginner collectors alike by sitting at your desk and helpfully regurgetating what you have read elsewhere, you have promoted your personality to stand out by your excellent PR campaign of nonsensical third party prose....you demonstrated your true nature by the passive agressive and yet petulant way you handled the 6538 saga (regardless of whether the watch is right or wrong) of trying to portray yourself as a victim when you got the answers you didn't like, wrapping it up in pleasantries and using the word buddy a lot does not fool anyone....which i'm sure will be the response to this also.

....and all of that pales into insignificance with the assertion you just made that a perfectly nice full set watch should be broken up into parts, based on scans which are insufficient to make a full judgement, based on not bothering to acquire the full information about the piece like its serial or completeness before pronouncing...whether it should or shouldn't, doing so before having the full facts just shows how dangerous you actually are to the hobby.

a year ago a very wise and experienced collector, one of the fathers of our hobby warned me of just how dangerous you would prove to be to our hobby, to him, whom i know will be reading ...i apologize for not heeding your words.
Err Buddy Jedly or Andrew...would you just realize every words you said here evidently is SOLELY aimed at attempting to smear Orchi personally n credibility...

You have done so quite often whilst you are wearing the Mod badge elsewhere...

Do you need to stoop so lowly resorting to personal attacks in trying to winning a debate or gaining an upperhand or reaching high moral ground or something...
in your responses each time on any subjects which involves Orchi...??

Orchi is being dangerous to this Hobby?
or should you not meant to say Orchi is bad for business to certain collectors...
n dealers too especially...??

Nevertheless...Orchi though is not going to take the same route with your ethics n egoistic attitudes...
because Orchi does not want to see this thread closed by the Mods here due to evidently personal grudge n childish ego that you have on your shoulders against Orchi being brought by you into this thread...n elsewhere...

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=190149

Where would you be for the knowledge...experience...
n BUSINESS that you have gained...IF not from the internet...??
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As at the end of your predicted bleating about what a shining knight you are and how victimized you are you ask a question, so I will endeavour to respond ...

Without the Internet, it would be nowhere ... but without also the literally hundred of watches I've owned and bought just to learn about them, without the hundreds and thousands of miles I've driven and flown to meet people, attend shows, participate in events, inspect auctions offerings , enjoy private collections, discusss minutiae details with people that really know, It would equally be nowhere.

And through all that I would hope that I remained humble enough to admit I don't know much in the grand scheme of thinks, that I would know that how a watch looks on the net can often have no bearing on how it is in person, that if I was given an answer I didn't like I wouldn't stamp my feet like a 6 year old and start crying the other boys are being mean to me ..


Oh and ps don't bother accusing me of having motives as a dealer .. Getting embroiled with you in this manner is the last thing a dealer would or should do, as I'm sure those who feel I'm being mean to you will avoid me like the plague from now on.
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from the pictures shown :
1) the case ( according to official Rolex Tables ) is a late 1972 production ;
2) the paper with the code "570-01-300" is the standard one for chronometer watches used around the middle of the 70s ; in fact it has a production date ( bottom right ) " 5-74 " that is consistent to the time of case-production ;
the pierced case numbers are correct and consistent to the period.
the papers written in French were the standard ones for European and International market ( besides Far-east and English spoken countries ).
3) the case has been certainly polished ( in mho no more than once ) as lugs are still thicke ; the dial is correct for the case range and personally I would go back to the pristine insert.
in any case this is more than a "decent" watch , not mint but still quite good in his overall conditions.
Augh !!!!! LLLOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

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from the pictures shown :
1) the case ( according to official Rolex Tables ) is a late 1972 production ;
2) the paper with the code "570-01-300" is the standard one for chronometer watches used around the middle of the 70s ; in fact it has a production date ( bottom right ) " 5-74 " that is consistent to the time of case-production ;
the pierced case numbers are correct and consistent to the period.
the papers written in French were the standard ones for European and International market ( besides Far-east and English spoken countries ).
3) the case has been certainly polished ( in mho no more than once ) as lugs are still thicke ; the dial is correct for the case range and personally I would go back to the pristine insert.
in any case this is more than a "decent" watch , not mint but still quite good in his overall conditions.
Augh !!!!! LLLOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
The voice of absolute common sense, a very well put appraisal, btw, i would own the watch in a second.
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from the pictures shown :
1) the case ( according to official Rolex Tables ) is a late 1972 production ;
2) the paper with the code "570-01-300" is the standard one for chronometer watches used around the middle of the 70s ; in fact it has a production date ( bottom right ) " 5-74 " that is consistent to the time of case-production ;
the pierced case numbers are correct and consistent to the period.
the papers written in French were the standard ones for European and International market ( besides Far-east and English spoken countries ).

3) the case has been certainly polished ( in mho no more than once ) as lugs are still thicke ; the dial is correct for the case range and personally I would go back to the pristine insert.
in any case this is more than a "decent" watch , not mint but still quite good in his overall conditions.
Err Buddy Marcello...
perhaps you fell short to offer any comments about the band...
being a USA C&I made in '73...
n possibly further comments on the original COSC Certification in French...?

About what you said regarding..
the original COSC certification being in French for Europe n International markets
(besides Far-East n English spoken countries...)

Do you mean to say it would NOT be for USA market...?
(or is French also the official n widely spoken language of USA? Canada maybe...but how about USA?)

The written details on the COSC certification would suggest that...
the watch was originally sold by Leroy's Jeweler(s) short of the letter "L" n "S"...
which could be either a common spelling by American English or the lack of "S" could be a written mistake at that time...

Or there could be another dealer by that similar name in other parts of the world like in Britain...

But anyway...do you agree that the watch being sold in USA at that time...
would carry an original Rolex COSC cert in French...??

Along with the other accessories or "package"...would you think that...
those accessories or "package" would be included together to the watch,...originally?

Case production: '72 (as per Pisani)
Paper production date: '74
Dated in writing 3-5-'76 (by US standard YY/MM/DD)...or DD/MM/YY or MM/DD/YY)...?
How would it be written elsewhere?

It would be interesting to see the scan of its inside caseback...
to see if there is any production date stamp n service markings...
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Thanks, it is good to know that we are in safe hands..... Jedly1........
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Wow, this thread feels like a courtroom, love the technicalities watch collecting brings with it making it all very intellectually invigorating and thanks to Rolex not sharing enough information, ensures that every argument almost always has two sides. Have my popcorn and coke with me, who needs go to the movies?;)
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I have learned from err..buddy Orchi today...

It is sad to know that my "fears" for the state of the vintage Rolex
market are not baseless - this hobby is slowly becoming dangerous
economically - with this new "parts" knowledge available - for what
a few years ago would seem... as the total "grail package".
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Oh and ps don't bother accusing me of having motives as a dealer .. Getting embroiled with you in this manner is the last thing a dealer would or should do, as I'm sure those who feel I'm being mean to you will avoid me like the plague from now on.
Err Buddy Jedly or Andrew...
NOT sure what others would think about you now...
n Orchi certainly can't speak on their behalves...

Despite your displeasure(or hatred) of Orchi...
shown for whatever reasons that you may possess...
(perhaps being the 3rd person n referring to everyone as "Buddy" which is merely a way of Orchi trying to be polite in addressing a fellow member)
Orchi still has high regards for your mileages scored...
n thinks you should still be likable...
due to your vast knowledge n experience with Vintage Rolex...

But the last thing you wanna do is to let your displeasure of Orchi...
clouds your professionalism n expertise in the business n "hobby" of yours...
Else Orchi for one might think that you have gotten a bigger head...
n attempting a bigger hat than that to fit...

Sorry though for the digression...
Hopes we can get back to the topic asap....

Due to the earlier distractions...Orchi missed to add more comments...
on the 1675 watch...(after seeing the extra pictures of the 1675 with "in full package"...
as you have put it...)
Can you please offer any comments on Orchi's questions n doubts about this...?

http://www.rolexforums.com/showpost....8&postcount=55

Thanks very much...
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