What’s up with 5513 values?

[SubKing]

Not sure if anyone else has noticed? I have been seeing most matte dial 5513’s listed for sale, even here on TRF in the high teens. I scratch my head when I see the sale ads, but then a couple days later I see they are sold.

I even recently received a couple offers from people to buy my piece on Instagram and made very nice offers.

I know the market is high currently, but I really didn’t think a simple matte dialed 5513 in nice condition had inflated even more.?

Has anyone else noticed and what are your thoughts?

Personally I would rather have a beautiful 1680 white than pay more for a matte 5513. FF MF serif non serif, maxi, they all seem to be really inflated right now. Thoughts?

[037]

I was thinking the same thing myself. I'm in the market for one and trying to figure out if I missed the boat or if the water is still rising.

The market used to be filled with GREAT examples for fair prices. Now so many of them are in poor shape and priced high. Are people really overpaying for less-than-ideal examples?

Sadly, as much as I'd like to find a matte dial, I've been looking at gloss just as closely. It's pushing me right back towards a 14060M and letting the 5513 market enjoy the ride.

[4rnold]

I think it's a general uprising of the prices. 1680 are climbing too imho.

If you want to get in, get in now, I don't see prices ever coming down.

5513 is a great reference in my opinion. Hard to say why, but it feels very authentic to me with the domed glass. And simple, only time.

[05carbondrz]

I personally will take a 5513 over a 1680 Any Day.The 5513 Matte And Gilt Are Two Of the best Rolex Watches in my Eyes.

[037]

Between the 1680 and 5513, it's far easier to set the date on a 5513.

That lack of hassle seems to be one reason why vintage time-only watches do so well over their date counterparts. Quickset models are quickly gaining for that reason. People want the vintage look but with modern usability.

[springer]

i am more partial to the 5513s than the 1680s - especially the meters first variations where nice examples can still be found for $18,000 to $20,000. I have also grown very fond of the glossy 5513s the past few years as evidenced by the thread I started here a couple days ago.

As far as pricing goes, nice examples of Subs, GMTs, Daytonas etc. are definitely selling well and are in demand. The mediocre watches seem over-priced with sellers trying to ride the coattails of the nicer examples being offered for sale.

[offrdmania]

If you don’t want to pay the crazy prices, the 16800 and 14060M 2-liner are great alternatives for half the price of a 5513. Not as customizable as the 5513 but you could buy a 14060M and a matte dial 16800 for the price of a decent 5513.

[uncleluck]

Originally Posted by offrdmania

If you don’t want to pay the crazy prices, the 16800 and 14060M 2-liner are great alternatives for half the price of a 5513. Not as customizable as the 5513 but you could buy a 14060M and a matte dial 16800 for the price of a decent 5513.

Can you tell me what sub models have lume applied directly to the dial apart from th 5513? It’s the best feature of the 5513 IMO

[037]

Originally Posted by uncleluck

Can you tell me what sub models have lume applied directly to the dial apart from th 5523? It’s the best feature of the 5513 IMO

6204
6205
6536/1
5508
5510
5512
5513
5514
5517
1680
16800
...and probably a few more that I'm forgetting.

Of those, the 1680, 16800 and 5513 are about all that's left for mere mortals to afford unless you run across a 5512 with service dial and hands.

[andy2518]

If you don't mind a bit more of a wrist substantial watch you could look at a 16660 matte SD too, it is not a sub so to speak but I would say there slightly cheaper than a 5513

[uncleluck]

Originally Posted by 037

6204
6205
6536/1
5508
5510
5512
5513
5514
5517
1680
16800
...and probably a few more that I'm forgetting.

Of those, the 1680, 16800 and 5513 are about all that's left for mere mortals to afford unless you run across a 5512 with service dial and hands.

Thanks for that.

16800 looks to be cheapest option maybe?

[roh123]

Subs shouldn’t have a date. I still think 5513’s are way too cheap compared to 1680’s. No matter if white or red.

[037]

Originally Posted by uncleluck

Thanks for that.

16800 looks to be cheapest option maybe?

In a Sub, yeah, that's generally the cheapest unless it's absolutely mint with great patina. Anything in textbook condition will be expensive.

Everything matte has been climbing. This past year has been nutty with price increases.

Originally Posted by roh123

Subs shouldn’t have a date. I still think 5513’s are way too cheap compared to 1680’s. No matter if white or red.

Subs already don't have a date. Only Sub Dates have a date. Couldn't resist.

[springer]

Originally Posted by roh123

Subs shouldn’t have a date. I still think 5513’s are way too cheap compared to 1680’s. No matter if white or red.

"Subs shouldn’t have a date."

I did not know that.

[cpefy3]

I personally think the tritium 14060 subs will start rising at a pretty good rate as those searching for 5513s might turn to these. Just a thought.

[roh123]

Originally Posted by springer

"Subs shouldn’t have a date."

I did not know that.

Personal preference of course. Seeing what a red sub costs I still think 5512/5513s are undervalued. I see way more great condition red subs than nodates in the market. Clearly demand is higher for those but I am not surpised to see nodates catching up. I value symmetry, superdome crystal and the lack of annoyance to set the date higher than one a line of red text on the dial. Each to their own of course.

[4rnold]

It's possible, but I see red subs on sale for a long time sometimes. I think it's really hard to tell wich are the highest in demand.

[CPRWATCH]

I say buy one while you can , I've heard it's going to be the next big thing .

[roh123]

Originally Posted by 4rnold

It's possible, but I see red subs on sale for a long time sometimes. I think it's really hard to tell wich are the highest in demand.

Red subs are/were a newbie grail as they were special but yet possible to buy for many new collectors in the past. With them costing 30-40k it is not surprising to see that people start looking at other models instead. It is a great watch of course but at todays prices there are a lot of options in that range.

[john_peter33]

Can’t beat a nice matte dial maxi 5513 as a daily wearer.




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[ROGERB]

Sometimes I feel like a date, sometimes I don’t!


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[Rvltn123]

I was searching for a 5513 for years but always had an unsettling feeling about it. That's when I realized I want a date function for day to day practical purposes. Got a 1680 and been in love since.

[Dr.Smellody]

When I traded my 1680, MMF 5513, and Matte small arrow 1675 off I thought they wouldn't go any higher! I had tripled my $, but probably could double that again today. . .

Miss the 5513 most. Well I guess I miss them all.

[vtsyrlin]

I couldn't agree more!
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Originally Posted by john_peter33

Can’t beat a nice matte dial maxi 5513 as a daily wearer.




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[Sublovin]

Yes, the whole thing has gotten very silly. We shall see if the price trend can last through a recession. Me thinks not!

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by Dr.Smellody

When I traded my 1680, MMF 5513, and Matte small arrow 1675 off I thought they wouldn't go any higher! I had tripled my $, but probably could double that again today. . .

Miss the 5513 most. Well I guess I miss them all.

Welcome to my world

[mineral]

Glad that I still keep some in my collection. They are forever classic




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[SubKing]

Great looking pieces in this thread.

You know, it’s alwats been interesting to me (speaking in terms of matte dials) that 5513 MF, FF, Serif, non serif and maxi, all follow in value. It comes down to preference of the collector.

However, when speaking of different models; place a meters in front of ft, it increases the value.

Does anyone ever wonder why all variants of 5513’s are same in value and the only time one matte 5513 is more valuable than the other is when condition is finer.?

Does anyone see this changing in the future and see meters first increasing over ft first 5513’s?

[4rnold]

Originally Posted by SubKing

Great looking pieces in this thread.

You know, it’s alwats been interesting to me (speaking in terms of matte dials) that 5513 MF, FF, Serif, non serif and maxi, all follow in value. It comes down to preference of the collector.

However, when speaking of different models; place a meters in front of ft, it increases the value.

Does anyone ever wonder why all variants of 5513’s are same in value and the only time one matte 5513 is more valuable than the other is when condition is finer.?

Does anyone see this changing in the future and see meters first increasing over ft first 5513’s?

I allways tought that MF were a bit more valuable (or priced) than FF, but maybe I'm wrong

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by 4rnold

I allways tought that MF were a bit more valuable (or priced) than FF, but maybe I'm wrong

Only with other models.

From what I have seen, when it comes to matte 5513's, they are universally the same value. Only condition dictates a premium in this case. Something I have never understood.