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yezco · 6 October 2018, 01:02 AM

Any flags on this inverted 6 Zenith? any input is appreciated!

yezco · 6 October 2018, 01:03 AM

some more pics

yezco · 9 October 2018, 09:20 AM

Hello?

J_1964 · 9 October 2018, 10:56 AM

I'm here and it looks OK to me, but I am by no means an expert on Daytonas. We need more experienced eyes on this one.

yezco · 9 October 2018, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J_1964

I'm here and it looks OK to me, but I am by no means an expert on Daytonas. We need more experienced eyes on this one.

Thanks for the reply I appreciate that.

J_1964 · 9 October 2018, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by yezco

Thanks for the reply I appreciate that.

Wish I could be More Helpful......

GLADIATOR · 11 October 2018, 12:10 PM

Mmm
I can not make out the balance wheel well, but from what I can see it looks very suspicious, as does the bracelet
Absolutely useless photos Stay Away!
A

214270Explorer · 13 October 2018, 04:56 AM

As stated, useless photos. Even good photos can still be problematic.

Perhaps request more and better photos plus its history, documentation from the selling AD if possible?

Otherwise -- NO.

Too Old · 13 October 2018, 05:09 AM

it's sold according to their website
https://www.upperwatches.com/shop/ro...l-box-booklet/

freefly · 13 October 2018, 05:14 AM

Watch in the pics is fine. However, if the seller in question is not "Upper Watches" then they are obviously using stolen pics. Buyer-beware...

GLADIATOR · 13 October 2018, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by freefly

Watch in the pics is fine. However, if the seller in question is not "Upper Watches" then they are obviously using stolen pics. Buyer-beware...

Really from that movement photo you can confirm thats a genuine 4030?
Modified Rolex balance wheel?

Not I

A

freefly · 13 October 2018, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Really from that movement photo you can confirm thats a genuine 4030?

Yes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Modified Rolex balance wheel?

No.

GLADIATOR · 13 October 2018, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by freefly

Yes.

No.

Hi Eric
By "no"
You can see from that photo, that ZENITH movement has a modified balance wheel, or "no" the Zenith/Rolex movement does not actually have a modified (like Zenith fit) balance wheel?

Anyway from my side I personally can not tell if
1) That photo has a modified by Rolex balance wheel
OR
2) Its a genuine ZENITH movement fitted under a ROLEX dial

Regards
Adam

freefly · 13 October 2018, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Hi Eric
By "no"
You can see from that photo, that ZENITH movement has a modified balance wheel, or "no" the Zenith/Rolex movement does not actually have a modified (like Zenith fit) balance wheel?

Anyway from my side I personally can not tell if
1) That photo has a modified by Rolex balance wheel
OR
2) Its a genuine ZENITH movement fitted under a ROLEX dial

Regards
Adam

Not sure what you are getting at (maybe I am missing something?).

The pic shows a factory Rolex 4030 movement with the factory balance.
The 4030 was a highly-modified verision of the Zenith 400 movement (not just a modified balance).
An El Primero 400 and Rolex's improved version (the 4030) are easily distinguishable.

GLADIATOR · 13 October 2018, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freefly

Not sure what you are getting at (maybe I am missing something?).

The pic shows a factory Rolex 4030 movement with the factory balance.
The 4030 was a highly-modified verision of the Zenith 400 movement (not just a modified balance).
An El Primero 400 and Rolex's improved version (the 4030) are easily distinguishable.

OK. Thanks
We are on the same page - we both agree that Rolex heavily modify the original ZENITH movement prior to calling it 4130.

Our difference, is that I personally can not confirm (or deny) based on those photos if that is a "modified" by ROLEX to a 4030

Best
Adam

11 October 2018, 12:10 PM	#7
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	Mmm I can not make out the balance wheel well, but from what I can see it looks very suspicious, as does the bracelet Absolutely useless photos Stay Away! A __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

13 October 2018, 04:56 AM	#8
214270Explorer "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: United States Watch: me buy Watches Posts: 3,955	As stated, useless photos. Even good photos can still be problematic. Perhaps request more and better photos plus its history, documentation from the selling AD if possible? Otherwise -- NO. __________________ “The display of actual intelligence terrifies much of mankind” Rolex "some" Tudor "some" Damasko "some" Misc Pieces "some" Marathon "some" GS Spring Drive "some" Hamilton "some" Findeisen "some"

9 October 2018, 09:20 AM	#3
yezco "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Joe Location: Phoenix Watch: Explorer II Posts: 12	Hello?

9 October 2018, 10:56 AM	#4
J_1964 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Real Name: Jim Location: NoCal USA Watch: 16710 Posts: 1,955	I'm here and it looks OK to me, but I am by no means an expert on Daytonas. We need more experienced eyes on this one.

13 October 2018, 05:09 AM	#9
Too Old 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Brian Location: Bucks, UK Posts: 1,087	it's sold according to their website https://www.upperwatches.com/shop/ro...l-box-booklet/

13 October 2018, 05:14 AM	#10
freefly "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Eric Location: AZ Watch: 4&5-digit Sub/GMTs Posts: 1,974	Watch in the pics is fine. However, if the seller in question is not "Upper Watches" then they are obviously using stolen pics. Buyer-beware...

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