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19 January 2021, 01:30 AM | #91 | |
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Let’s face it, no company wants to publicly admit they’ve made a faulty batch.
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19 January 2021, 03:23 AM | #94 | |
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Like most companies, maybe even more so, Rolex wants their customers to be satisfied (and their reputation intact); I’m confident if this movement is a real problem they will fix it.
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19 January 2021, 05:38 AM | #95 | |
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19 January 2021, 05:40 AM | #96 | |
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19 January 2021, 05:47 AM | #98 | |
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Many owners wear their watches on rotation and will probably never notice the problem if they don't pay attention, unless the watch starts losing minutes a day. I think this is the main reason why we are not seeing more owners coming forward. There's also fear that talking about it might cause value to fall in the preowned market. I think we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg here. The question is how Rolex address the problem going forward, whether they carry on with their temporary and pointless fix or if they finally come up with a permanent solution. The 3255 has been in the market since 2015 with the 3235 being released shortly after, you'd think they've had time to take care of the teething issues . |
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19 January 2021, 05:52 AM | #99 | |
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One big teething issue that goes on for years on end. Perhaps into perpetuity. It puts another perspective on Oyster Perpetual |
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19 January 2021, 05:56 AM | #100 |
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Slightly off the basic subject of this thread but I will ask regardless.........My first DJ41, bought in 2016 quickly started slowing, ultimately reaching -9s/day. I found however, that if I wound the watch (at least 25 turns) every 3-4 days it ran fine, averaging around +1s/day. I checked the power reserve and it was fine at 70 hours. I was active and wore the watch at least 10 hours/day. It never stopped so I assume the auto winding mechanism was OK. Regardless of all this I was concerned that I had to wind the watch at all so I sent it off to RSC. It ran fine afterward. Any thoughts on what was going on?
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19 January 2021, 06:28 AM | #102 |
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Yes, 3135 is a workhouse, and I suspect the 3235 is more fragile. I read somewhere the barrel of the 3235 has thinner walls, making it impossible to replace the spring only. You have to throw away the barrel and replace it with a new one. Not ecological...
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19 January 2021, 06:38 AM | #103 |
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There's the question of what a company admits, and the question of what it knows. It is highly unlikely that Rolex would publicly admit (even through non-public interactions such as an RSC servicing) a fundamental design flaw. A premium brand simply can not risk being thought of as anything less than "superlative". But unless we assume that Rolex have completely and utterly stopped being Rolex, there is zero chance that they do not know about a widespread issue. Any competent manufacturer is going to track service histories and look for ways to reduce warranty claims. The question here is, is this really a widespread issue?
Further, there is no such thing as a "perfect" mechanical product. JD Power said that last year for every 100 Lexus sold there were 159 problems. For every 100 Porsche sold there were 186 problems. In other words, on average every vehicle sold had more than one problem. So is it reasonable to expect all Rolexes coming off the line to be perfect? Of course not. But, again, if this is a fundamental design flaw then the numbers would reflect that and it has to be on Rolex's radar. And if, after 5 years of a problem with no real solution they decided to still go ahead and power the new Submariner with this movement, then quite simply the Rolex was all love is dead. Again, if true, the Datejust name has already been trashed and now you're going to throw the Submariner overboard too? Even the most reckless of management wouldn't make such a move. And as we all know Rolex is nothing if not conservative. Therefore I must assume that this is more internet amplification than actual catastrophe, but nevertheless I follow the discussion with great interest. |
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19 January 2021, 07:08 AM | #105 | |
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The 3235 Movement and The Fix (2 years out)
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A new watch with fully wound 32xx movement which only results in amplitudes of about 210 degrees has a problem! It will not become better in 1 month or later. When my 126600 (with 3235) came back from Rolex repair (under warranty) it had 287/286 degrees for dial up/down; 246-253 degrees for all other positions. Continue to measures how the amplitudes develop with time. It is very interesting to see correctly measured timegrapher data for new 2020 watches! |
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I agree. It tests your faith that your $12K+ Rolex has to be manually wound. As I already said the watch ran fine after it came back from RSC but forgot to add that it lasted less than one year and then started losing time again.
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I’m right in the middle of this issue now with RSC. Two watches. 126660 and 126600. Both sent in for this issue around 11/19 and fixed. Now sending 126660 back in for same issue again. RSC expressing that this is perplexing. Stating no issue with the movement. Saying they will get this right and sending message to me that this is a one off unique situation.
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Thank you for this information.
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My DJ41 from 2019 has been to RCS running -8 spd, came back fixed and went back to running -6 spd after a few months. They REALLY need to get this sorted out. |
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19 January 2021, 09:05 AM | #111 |
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I am in watch chaos at the moment. Also have a Panerai in to their service center for unexplainable issue. Thinking about becoming a Seiko or Suunto guy:). No worries then.
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19 January 2021, 10:14 AM | #114 | |
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19 January 2021, 11:14 AM | #115 |
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Just to be clear the issue has only reappeared again on one of the watches - the DSSD. My sd43 remains at perfect accuracy since repaired in 2019.
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DSSD is slow by about one minute a day.
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19 January 2021, 01:32 PM | #119 |
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My DJ41 even thou I don't wear it everyday and I usually wear it to go out but since Covid19 it usually rest in the box. I wear it in the house for about 8 to 10 days just to run the movement and it has been within specs. I got mine in 2019 with the crown at the six o'clock which I think was a later release than the first release of DJ41 without the crown at the six that were the first release. Maybe I'm just lucky or it's that I don't wear it long enough to notice any big variation of the -/+ seconds.
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19 January 2021, 02:00 PM | #120 | |
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When I was in medical school, one of the faculty told something that has stuck with me to this day. He said, “You have to make a hundred patients happy before one of them mentions their positive experienc to other people. But make one patient unhappy, and they’ll readily tell a hundred people.” I find this to be true in any setting, and not just in health care. The people who are unhappy are the ones who are the most motivated to make their thoughts known. Now, I do believe that some of these people are having issues with their 3235-powered watches, and I totally understand their aggravation and ire over their situation. But their assertion that a company like Rolex has produced a movement based on a faulty design is simply ludicrous, for myriad reasons. They cannot simply accept the fact that they are merely victims of a manufacturing defect - something to which even Rolex is not immune. |
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