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12 December 2020, 01:41 AM | #31 |
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Perhaps the guy doesn’t need a lecture. I’m sure he bummed enough and has every intention of more caution moving forward. There are absolutely ways to get scammed with many of the “always” and “never” suggestions here too. PayPal being one of the biggest ones. OP I hope get some resolution with this.
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12 December 2020, 01:58 AM | #32 | |
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12 December 2020, 02:24 AM | #33 |
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I hope you somehow get your money back OP. Sad to see others taking advantage of people in this way.
My mother got scammed a couple of weeks back by a telemarketer. These kind of people make me sick. |
12 December 2020, 07:09 AM | #34 |
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Bram i'm really sorry to read about what happened to you. I messaged the seller too but never heard anything back. Very scary. I hope there is some way to find resolution on this. I did more digging and it looks like he may have bought the snowflake from a seller on WUS. See picture.
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12 December 2020, 07:15 AM | #35 |
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I found that WUS listing too. One of the red flags that I encountered when I contacted Stevenyoo was when I brought up this listing. I asked if this is where he got the watch from. He said yes. And then I asked why, if he got the watch from this transaction in March 2018, did he state that he got the watch in July 2018 on his listing.
He said it was a typo and said it was “weird” that I was able to find that listing. Definitely had me on the defensive at that point. |
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13 December 2020, 12:39 AM | #39 |
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This was addressed to BUYERS !! PP is protective of buyers , I am not recommending it for sellers. Once again , show me a single case where a buyer got cheated using PP and AMX???
Buyers , if you don’t protect yourself you have NO recourse when a seller lies , doesn’t perform as promised or makes an innocent mistake. How simple is it to understand that a CC or PayPal or maybe f to f ( questionable) is my only SURE protection?? Let’s look at every single scam on this forum including op’s ,there isn’t one that this rule wouldn’t have prevented disaster for the BUYER ! Learn from the mistakes of others , not sure why some folks are soo obstinate about a simple fact. I just hate to see people sending a box of money as buyers hoping for the best! I have purchased several hundred thousand dollars in time pieces over the last few years and know where of I speak. Two of those purchases were with would be scammers on EBay - guess what?? Thanks to using pay pal although sellers wanted a wire - I called pay pal - didn’t lose a dime! Another time As I mentioned before I bought a $60,000 Timepiece from a well know great company and they inadvertently didn’t send me a solid white gold case back that was supposed to be with it. When I called them , the sellers said “ give us a couple weeks, we will TRY to get it from the person we bought the piece from” I told the them I would either send the piece back and dispute the charge w AMX or ask AMX to hold out the 6,000 value of the missing piece. Guess what , the piece magically appeared and was sent to me the next day. What if I hadn’t used AMX does anyone honestly think that there would’ve been the same outcome ?? And let’s say I stupidly sent seller a box of cash - wire, what one earth would I do if seller just forgot to take care of this ?? Hey , do whatever you want but for me, when I am a BUYER, I will never send cash to someone I have never met. I f you don’t agree just “buy the seller” ( of course I always do that as well ) alone -then be sure to post on “Watch Out” to warn us how you got took. Only takes once to learn a bitter very expensive lesson- I won’t be part of encouraging others to take such a chance. JMO and experience, james in San Antonio Tx . Ecwil |
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Agreed. I would never sell a high value watch to a buyer who insisted on PP G&S. Little to no protection for the seller if a victim of a scamming buyer.
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13 December 2020, 11:21 PM | #41 |
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Hey folks,
Steven Yoo here. This is the replacement account for "stevenyoo" which was hacked, and is now perma-banned. Sorry for the headache this caused. Hope to regain the community's trust going forward |
14 December 2020, 08:39 AM | #42 |
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OP, I hope you can get some satisfaction in time.
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15 December 2020, 06:03 PM | #43 |
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OMG. I almost fell for the same scam, too.
I have always bought watches with checks. I have a few ways to show the seller I'm legit. If the seller insists on wire transfer, I move on. No hard feelings. This scammer was not willing to take my check. LOL I guess he was afraid of being scammed. To OP, I know how sh***y you must feel right now. But thank you for sharing your experience for the benefit of everyone. I hope you get your hands on a snowflake soon. |
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Hi everyone, thanks for your advice and support. I really appreciate your genuine concern and input.
Just a quick update: Both banks and the authorities have been notified about the scam but there isn’t much else that can be done. I’ve written this entire situation off as a lesson learned and I am grateful for the important things in life which includes a supportive wife. I hope to add a Grand Seiko Snowflake to my collection in the future but for now the pic below will have to do:) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
17 December 2020, 10:29 AM | #45 |
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OP, glad you’ve still got a sense of humour despite going through this. No more wire transfers please.
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17 December 2020, 11:28 AM | #46 |
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Great wrist snow shot!
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17 December 2020, 01:49 PM | #47 |
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Great attitude. It says a lot about your character and money can't buy that.
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17 December 2020, 02:15 PM | #48 |
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Scammed by stevenyoo
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17 December 2020, 03:28 PM | #49 |
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OP, sorry to hear about your negative experience and hope you get your GS soon.
The vast majority of sellers are genuine people which can cause one to let the guard down, but it is important to always ask lot of questions until you are comfortable with dealing with the seller. I recently purchased a Polar 16570 and the seller left me a positive feedback but also stated in the feedback that I asked a lot of questions. I laughed when I read that,.. Daawww, of course I will ask a lot of questions as I did pay by wire. I am surprised that so many people said that they would never pay by wire but I find that it is actually a very common, if not the most common, way of payment for high end timepieces. I have received wires on most of my sales and have mostly paid by wire for the watches I bought on this forum. Sent from my SM-N960W using Tapatalk |
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As said above - kudos to you keeping this in perspective and sharing your story. Hacked accounts seem so common now. Maybe the first question to ask for verification of is 2FA being active for a sellers account.
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