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Old 30 December 2012, 06:27 AM   #91
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Question for the OP

Can u change the time with the hour hand jumping per hour leaving the minute hand stationary? I dont think fakes can do this.
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Old 30 December 2012, 06:29 AM   #92
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I was referring to the picture that was blown up and turned side ways. I mean with all that magnification in some of the pics I think the lec's on a verified legit watch could be seen. At any rate who knows at this point. I hope for the OP its legit. I really do. He didnt come on here with some mickey mouse story about inheriting/found it/craiglist/ etc BS. Or at least thats the way I take it. If it is a fake then its the best one I've ever seen in my life!!
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Old 30 December 2012, 06:32 AM   #93
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The bad news is that I see now the LEC in 77T pic (THANKS) but the question remains: at that level of magnification, wouldn“t we see it in a legit watch? I can see it in mine.
Yep, you'd see it in a legit Rolex and it would be this size in relation to the crystal edge.



* photo from a different LEC thread and courtesy of Grady...
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Old 30 December 2012, 06:33 AM   #94
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I was referring to the picture that was blown up and turned side ways. I mean with all that magnification in some of the pics I think the lec's on a verified legit watch could be seen. At any rate who knows at this point. I hope for the OP its legit. I really do. He didnt come on here with some mickey mouse story about inheriting/found it/craiglist/ etc BS. Or at least thats the way I take it. If it is a fake then its the best one I've ever seen in my life!!
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Old 30 December 2012, 06:34 AM   #95
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Fagin how about when setting the time? Do the hands retard when winding it clock wise? How does the movement look?
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Old 30 December 2012, 06:43 AM   #96
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bear with me its hopefully my first Rolex, unscrew the crown, wind one way and it winds the watch, the other way doesnt do anything, pull it out and the hour hand moves both ways in hour jumps, another pull and the seconds hand stops but all the others can be moved either way smoothly. hope that makes sense
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Old 30 December 2012, 06:44 AM   #97
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77t I would say mine looks the same size but its not as obvious as that by a long way
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Old 30 December 2012, 06:46 AM   #98
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bh13gmt, yes i can, only the hour hand moves but in one hour steps, the others stay fixed
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Old 30 December 2012, 06:47 AM   #99
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sorry samuel,im not sure what you mean
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Old 30 December 2012, 06:48 AM   #100
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Ok. Lets try this. Pull out the winding crown to the last position. Wind the crown upwards toward the sky. Does it set the time forward or backwards?
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Old 30 December 2012, 06:51 AM   #101
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I've been comparing the clasp and scrollwork/printing to my black SS Daytona, and using magnification, there are a couple of slight differences that concern me. But I'm not sure whether the clasps, scrollwork and lettering would be identical on different models. If the lettering on the clasp of the GMT is supposed to be identical with the SS Daytona, then there may be a concern as there are variations in the lettering. Also, the sides of the stick markers at 6 and 9, and the triangle at 12 seem oddly matte finished as in the previously posted photo, posted again below:



Shouldn't they be shiny and flush? Why do they look unfinished? Is that coming from the dial? On all my sports model Rolexes, the sides of the markers are polished and gleaming when I examine them. Even the top of the minute hand exhibits this lack of polish. Just seems very odd to me because the round markers seem normal in this picture.

I also wish there were a definitive method of determining if the LEC is wrong. If it is wrong, then the watch is wrong. But we seem to be willing to let it go after other factors weigh in. If we're not sure, ok. But if the LEC is wrong, no other evidence should cancel it out.
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Old 30 December 2012, 06:54 AM   #102
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samuel pulled out to last position and wind away from me they go clockwise, second hand doesnt move
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Old 30 December 2012, 06:56 AM   #103
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all the silver surrounds to the hour markers and hands are highly polished silver
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Old 30 December 2012, 06:57 AM   #104
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how can i make the lec show up better?
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Old 30 December 2012, 07:07 AM   #105
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samuel pulled out to last position and wind away from me they go clockwise, second hand doesnt move
Right. The second hand should stop/hack. But are you setting the time forward? Such as 4 05 to 4 10 etc or does it go from lets say 4 05 to 4 00 etc?
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Old 30 December 2012, 07:08 AM   #106
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If you use a flashlight and tilt the watch, you'll see the LEC shows up better at different angles. If you're trying to photograph it, since it's inside the crystal, the focus will be blurry on the dial. In auto focus, the LEC will not be what the camera centers on but rather something larger like the bezel or dial.
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Old 30 December 2012, 07:13 AM   #107
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bear with me its hopefully my first Rolex, unscrew the crown, wind one way and it winds the watch, the other way doesnt do anything, pull it out and the hour hand moves both ways in hour jumps, another pull and the seconds hand stops but all the others can be moved either way smoothly. hope that makes sense
That sounds like a proper GMT movement. Maybe the inconsistancies are due to the bad quality macro shots... But has anyone with a warranty card have the printing like that so close to the edge?
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Old 30 December 2012, 07:18 AM   #108
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samuel, yes forward
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Old 30 December 2012, 07:27 AM   #109
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Well I think thats one of many good signs on your watch IMHO. All the fakes Ive been around, which isnt many, cant do that. As Ive said Im in no means an expert and am not pretending to be. All Im doing is giving some of my limited advice and comparing yours against a real one on my wrist right now. Good luck Fagin
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Old 30 December 2012, 07:33 AM   #110
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I understand that, it is what it is and I am glad of everyones input. the lec is lots of dots and when i looked earlier it seemed like there were two, one underneath the other but i cant see it now
Link to LEC beneath the surface of the crystal post...

http://rolexforums.com/showthread.ph...+etched&page=2

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Old 30 December 2012, 07:34 AM   #111
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Old 30 December 2012, 07:37 AM   #112
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theloxmyth, that first picture is exactly what i can see, thanks
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Old 30 December 2012, 07:38 AM   #113
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This is a lot of effort to prove whether or not the watch is a fake! I think it looks fine but the only one should be concerned is the OP.

Fagin, if any of this worries you like everyone else said, just take it to a watch maker to check the movement.

Congrats on the watch BTW! :)
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Old 30 December 2012, 07:40 AM   #114
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theloxmyth, that first picture is exactly what i can see, thanks
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Old 30 December 2012, 07:42 AM   #115
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if its a fake , we could all be in trouble here . a new generation of superfakes , will make buying and selling a bit trickier for every one.
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Old 30 December 2012, 07:42 AM   #116
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This is a lot of effort to prove whether or not the watch is a fake! I think it looks fine but the only one should be concerned is the OP.

Fagin, if any of this worries you like everyone else said, just take it to a watch maker to check the movement.

Congrats on the watch BTW! :)
X2. Im sure you will be fine. Be sure to take pictures when you do. One so you can have piece of mind. Two so you can post them here on TRF. You will either prove alot of people wrong or make some of us look like idiots. Im hoping for the first one!
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Old 30 December 2012, 07:45 AM   #117
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Fagin,

Looks like you have a genuine Rolex GMTIIc. Any local watchmakers can open the caseback and verify the movement for you. Congrats in advance!!!
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It is a known issue that all of the SubC and GMTIIC's movement have reliability issues. Something to do with a spring that was introduced. I expect this to further increase the value of older Submariners and GMTIIs.
Heck why can't I start my own internet rumor and raise the prices of MY WATCHES!!!!
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Old 30 December 2012, 07:46 AM   #118
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Is this the listing? Offered at 4350?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ROLEX-GMT-...item20ce45a407
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Old 30 December 2012, 07:51 AM   #119
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welshwatchman, I bought it face to face with the seller so it didnt go through the auction process, it was being offered at £4350 and i paid £3900. there had been 6 offers refused prior to me buying
Yup, I'm pretty sure this is the listing.

£4350 and 6 offers and has his phone number for enquiries!
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Old 30 December 2012, 07:55 AM   #120
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Hand stack looks good, LT2 clasp code matches serial placing this around early 2009, fonts on date wheel and rehaute are fine, LEC is fine (mine are pretty visible depending on lighting), the harsh flash lighting doesn't help but I think it's legit. I compared OP's photos against my 116710 and 116718 macros.

PS: this is why loupes and macro pics are dangerous
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