Fake 1665 DRSD being advertised here with falsified papers

[SKMGN0]

Hey all, this little thread caught my attention: https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=669791

From a quick glance it looks genuine, but it's not.

Pyccy (Andrea), a poster from Italy's Orologi forum has posted about a 1665 for sale that turned out to be a fake after his own examination, he went all the way to the UK to check it out. As I was typing this up, I realised it was the same watch being advertised here. Link to the thread: https://translate.google.com/transla...3Ft%3D76701532

Timeline:

February 2019: COMEX5514_ lists DRSD for sale for "$50,000 USD" here on TRF, includes a photo of box & papers. It appears to have been deleted but the archived listing can be viewed here: https://www.watchpatrol.net/listing/699270

April 2019: COMEX5514_ relists DRSD for sale for "£36,000 (bank wire)" here: https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=669791 Photo of box and papers is gone.

May 2019: Andrea from the Italian forum posts about a fake Mark 2 DRSD from the UK.


COMEX5514_, coming from the UK selling a Mark 2 DRSD 1665 here might just be a coincidence?


Well here's COMEX5514_'s photos from his thread compared to Andrea's:


Midcase engravings:



Same scratches and dings.


Caseback:



Same scratches and dings on the lugs.


And my comparison of the dial:



Top is a real Mark 2 DRSD dial, bottom pic is retrieved from Comex5514_'s own thread. Do note the extra long serif on the right side of the bottom hour marker on the fake, real Mark 2s don't have that long serif!


And here's Andrea's comparision:




This fake watch that was exposed last May on the Italian Orologi forum with the owner informed it is a fake is the same watch that's still being advertised and bumped today here on TRF. It's fraud. Falsified papers to match the engravings on the fake case.


Comex5514_ has listed his contact information as +44 7506 133965 and pauliustankus@gmail.com

[ashokleyland]

Scary.


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[swatty]

Originally Posted by ashokleyland

Scary.


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Very scary

[Kenny Powers]

Very nice. Do you think they'd take £25,000 for it?

[SKMGN0]

Originally Posted by ashokleyland

Scary.


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Originally Posted by swatty

Very scary

Without pulling out a loupe, the quickest way to tell it's a fake is the long right serif on the bottom hour marker.

Originally Posted by Kenny Powers

Very nice. Do you think they'd take £25,000 for it?

Extremely scummy of this guy to keep trying to sell this fake watch after being informed it's fake. The price drops could be an indicator of guilt, trying to move this fake product quickly.

[bezler]

Did you contact a mod? The listing is still up....

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[cop414]

Possibly fake

[jaySL350]

Despicable behaviour,,,
Karma’s going to be huge for this conman,,

[Knappo 1307]

Sure would be nice to hear from COMEX5514_, since he is online right now and still a member..

[Noonan]

Originally Posted by Knappo 1307

Sure would be nice to hear from COMEX5514_, since he is online right now and still a member..

And viewing this thread!

[77T]

The TRF listing that the OP quoted has been apparently removed - good work.


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[Comex5514_]

Just to clear the situation guys, I had no idea about such review and comparison. I am just a collector and my knowledge is what I learn over the internet and this forum. I bought this watch my self and wore it without knowing as the differences to my eye was not visible. I am glad that it's all clear now. Lesson for me and for anyone, that any watch has to be carried out under an expert's inspection

[Haywood_Milton]

Who sold it to you?

How was it described and do you think you could get your money back?

Where in the UK are you? There are a few of us around the country with some small experience of vintage Rolex who might have been able to help....

[77T]

The lesson to be learned by all readers of this thread is to be aware of a seller’s knowledge level (or lack thereof). It is unacceptable to post fakes for sale on TRF. There is no reason for that to happen.

If anyone is not well versed on the watches they buy, that is their mistake. But to sell one onward without a full vetting by a certified watchmaker, or the RSC is unacceptable in my opinion.


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[rootbeer7]

Originally Posted by 77T

The lesson to be learned by all readers of this thread is to be aware of a seller’s knowledge level (or lack thereof). It is unacceptable to post fakes for sale on TRF. There is no reason for that to happen.

If anyone is not well versed on the watches they buy, that is their mistake. But to sell one onward without a full vetting by a certified watchmaker, or the RSC is unacceptable in my opinion.


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In an ideal world you are absolutely correct. But, and it’s a big one, there are so-called TS selling watches here from time with questionable parts, failing to mention service parts, mismatched dials etc. The fact they have bricks and mortar businesses means we all trust them. Where that leaves us as hobbyists trying to move on these watches down the line is right here in this post.

[CorradoBrit]

I'm not buying the ignorance excuse at all.

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton

Who sold it to you?

How was it described and do you think you could get your money back?

Where in the UK are you? There are a few of us around the country with some small experience of vintage Rolex who might have been able to help....

This ^^ If this is the fake that was pointed out on the Italian Orologi forum, who sold it and where did it go after being realized it was a fake?

[rootbeer7]

Originally Posted by CorradoBrit

I'm not buying the ignorance excuse at all.

That’s a bit harsh until facts are fully disclosed.

[77T]

Originally Posted by rootbeer7

In an ideal world you are absolutely correct. But, and it’s a big one, there are so-called TS selling watches here from time with questionable parts, failing to mention service parts, mismatched dials etc. The fact they have bricks and mortar businesses means we all trust them. Where that leaves us as hobbyists trying to move on these watches down the line is right here in this post.

That is not the case with trusted, long-term, well-versed seller’s here. There is a long list of those people who you can be sure all is legit.

This is a case of an out and out fake methinks.


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[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by Knappo 1307

This ^^ If this is the fake that was pointed out on the Italian Orologi forum, who sold it and where did it go after being realized it was a fake?

I'd really like this answered, because there is deception going on somewhere and it needs to come to the light.

[SKMGN0]

Originally Posted by bezler

Did you contact a mod? The listing is still up....

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Yes, I pm'd a mod and it's now taken down.

Originally Posted by Comex5514_

Just to clear the situation guys, I had no idea about such review and comparison. I am just a collector and my knowledge is what I learn over the internet and this forum. I bought this watch my self and wore it without knowing as the differences to my eye was not visible. I am glad that it's all clear now. Lesson for me and for anyone, that any watch has to be carried out under an expert's inspection

That explanation doesn't clear things up at all. You had possession of the fake watch when you listed it for sale last February 2019 and then you relisted it this April. That same watch was viewed by an expert this May 2019 and he informed the owner that it was a fake.

When exactly was this watch "sold" to you? Even if we assume you were scammed by the person who allegedly sold it to you, you've been the owner of the watch since February, and the very owner of that fake DRSD was told it was a fake this May. And yet after all that, you kept bumping your thread with the last bump coming from this morning before it got removed. You KNEW it was a fake with falsified papers. You can't pretend you just found out about it being fake today.

It's also funny how you posted asking about DRSD casebacks last December 2018 and on the analysis of your watch on Orologi, one of the most obvious signs is the fake caseback.

Originally Posted by Comex5514_

Hello guys,

Can someone shed some light into the difference of 1665 DRSD's casebacks? I see there are 3 common types of them on different DRSD models, however not sure which watch should have which caseback?

Thanks in advance

And the Orologi forum analysis:

[SKMGN0]

Originally Posted by Knappo 1307

This ^^ If this is the fake that was pointed out on the Italian Orologi forum, who sold it and where did it go after being realized it was a fake?

It is the very same fake watch, the proof is in the same scratches and dings, I posted the comparison of his pics to the ones posted on Orologi. If it was """sold""" to Comex5514_, it had to have happened after 29 May (date of Orologi post), yet looking at Comex5514_'s history, he had possesion of it way back in February. So it's impossible for Comex5514_ to just find out about this now.

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by SKMGN0

It is the very same fake watch, the proof is in the same scratches and dings, I posted the comparison of his pics to the ones posted on Orologi. If it was """sold""" to Comex5514_, it had to have happened after 29 May (date of Orologi post), yet looking at Comex5514_'s history, he had possesion of it way back in February. So it's impossible for Comex5514_ to just find out about this now.

Very nice work. Comex5514 needs to get back on and start talking and fast or I feel the Ban button will be exercised....

[Comex5514_]

Guys, I am on this forum for some time and if anything I know is that nothing like this should be condoned.

FYI I never said that I bought this watch yesterday, week or a month ago. It was offered to me by a local watch maker a year ago. That’s why I asked about the case backs and why there are few different ones. I didn’t know back then that there are different case backs for different eras so It was natural to me to investigate a bit.

If I knew the watch was fake do you think I would of asked someone to come and inspect the watch to my home address? After inspection buyer refused to buy and that’s all I knew. I have put macro shots of that watch on TRF so anyone can judge and correct. On top of that I have asked few members on here to verify the dial over those photos. It’s a human error and probably most of the members did not see the differences if an eye is not experienced enough.

I hate to be in this situation that I am now and if anything I doubt I will be able to sell on here again.

I hope I cleared the situation a bit.

[Noonan]

So you were unaware of how the potential buyer knew it had issues and the detailed post they made? They just told you "I don't want to buy it" and left?

[Comex5514_]

I repeat my self I did not see that detailed post. I do not check every forum and especially Italian one. He said that the dial might be refurbished and it's not for him. Such an old watch with a refurbished/repainted dial is not something unusual. That's why I lowered the price. Also, Andrea's was just an expert who did inspection for his client. A client came back to me with the said message, not Andreas.

[SKMGN0]

Originally Posted by Comex5514_

If I knew the watch was fake do you think I would of asked someone to come and inspect the watch to my home address? After inspection buyer refused to buy and that’s all I knew. I have put macro shots of that watch on TRF so anyone can judge and correct. On top of that I have asked few members on here to verify the dial over those photos. It’s a human error and probably most of the members did not see the differences if an eye is not experienced enough.

I hate to be in this situation that I am now and if anything I doubt I will be able to sell on here again.

I hope I cleared the situation a bit.

Well, Andrea tells a different story:



Source:https://translate.google.com/transla...3Ft%3D76701532


What would Andrea gain from lying about that?

Another interesting point is where you chose to host your images, picr.me. That's an image hosting site owned and run by creators of a replica watch forum for their own forum posters. Just one quick google search of "picr.me" reveals this fact. Picr.me isn't mainstream enough like imgur or photobucket.

[Noonan]

Originally Posted by SKMGN0

Another interesting point is where you chose to host your images, picr.me. That's an image hosting site owned and run by creators of a replica watch forum for their own forum posters. Just one quick google search of "picr.me" reveals this fact. Picr.me isn't mainstream enough like imgur or photobucket.

You appear to be correct on this one:

"PICR.me is fully owned by Redacted, and hosted on Redacted servers, and managed by our internet partner Redacted. We are no longer bound by the user agreements of image hosts like photobucket or imgur!"

[RidingDonkeys]

Can someone please pass the popcorn?

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[Comex5514_]

Well I definitely did not participate on live video and that's an exaggerated wording from Andreas. My watch was left with my neighbour, however yes she did send me maybe a 10 sec video of Andreas inspecting the watch (not sure why lol). I am sorry if I knew more posters then common ones, not sure what you are trying to say with that. I guess I said it all now, not my most pleasant experience so I accept with whatever moderators come with.