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Daytonaman799 · 24 November 2017, 06:25 AM

I have noticed that prices for all Nautiluses have jumped significantly in the last year. 5711's were a few k over list and are now MUCH more than that. 5712's were available at around list and now also very expensive. Annual calendars were undesirable and now also seem in demand. What happened? Vintage market finally helming the more modern market?

Sam Philip · 24 November 2017, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Daytonaman799

I have noticed that prices for all Nautiluses have jumped significantly in the last year. 5711's were a few k over list and are now MUCH more than that. 5712's were available at around list and now also very expensive. Annual calendars were undesirable and now also seem in demand. What happened? Vintage market finally helming the more modern market?

Yes. Couple of ADs I deal with said there had been a massive increase in demand for Nautilus following the 40th anniversary

GB-man · 24 November 2017, 11:03 AM

Increased demand for sure. Friggin rappers are wearing them now.

AK797 · 24 November 2017, 12:26 PM

Demand has blown up on popular Rolexes, PPs and APs, in a huge flight to sports quality. Demand in China is also rising again apparently.

Defiancekofb · 24 November 2017, 01:08 PM

I think the Cipriani Exhibition in NY this past summer has resulted in much of the increase in Patek demand. Also as someone else stated, Patek has unfortunately hit mainstream media. Where many celebrities are wearing the brand, similar to AP a decade ago. AP was simple haute horology brand, then just took off with media recognition.

benlee · 24 November 2017, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AK797

Demand has blown up on popular Rolexes, PPs and APs, in a huge flight to sports quality. Demand in China is also rising again apparently.

I can more or less confirm this is happening in Asia as well as all Rolex ADs in the region, ie SG, HK, even Jakarta are being clean out on sports model. Even AP sports model like RO 15400 have no stock to buy off the shelve ( including boutiques ) and everything is now on waiting list. Meantime, SS Nautilus are becoming unicorns.

I am also puzzled by this and wonder if hedge funds are moving into watches. This can't last can it?

OldOak · 24 November 2017, 04:10 PM

I had to laugh the other day. I had my week old Nautilus on feeling really smug with it under my cuff, went for lunch at a nice restaurant and two other guys within a 10m radius had Nautilus on! I was absolutely amazed! I hadn’t seen another in the wild until then.

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Tomas Eriksson · 24 November 2017, 04:14 PM

Reminds me of: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bbfd4qohrio/
Don’t care if many has it though, still want one bad

GB-man · 24 November 2017, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tomas Eriksson

Reminds me of: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bbfd4qohrio/
Don’t care if many has it though, still want one bad

That is hilarious

kultschar · 24 November 2017, 05:40 PM

This sold basically straight away

https://www.blowers-jewellers.co.uk/...-57111a-010-3/

Makes me feel lucky as hell to have been able to buy one a few months ago at retail

Busyboy · 24 November 2017, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kultschar

This sold basically straight away

https://www.blowers-jewellers.co.uk/...-57111a-010-3/

Makes me feel lucky as hell to have been able to buy one a few months ago at retail

Amazing

But hasn't rrp in UK gone up recently, it was £18030... So as wf were selling them then at £28/29k, this extra increase could be partly to do with the new rrp? Anyone know what rrp is in UK today?

SpeedyTuomas · 24 November 2017, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by benlee

I can more or less confirm this is happening in Asia as well as all Rolex ADs in the region, ie SG, HK, even Jakarta are being clean out on sports model. Even AP sports model like RO 15400 have no stock to buy off the shelve ( including boutiques ) and everything is now on waiting list. Meantime, SS Nautilus are becoming unicorns.

I am also puzzled by this and wonder if hedge funds are moving into watches. This can't last can it?

I completely agree and the situation is similar in Europe and..everywhere now?

AK797 · 24 November 2017, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tomas Eriksson

Reminds me of: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bbfd4qohrio/
Don’t care if many has it though, still want one bad

Funny that as an AD even at the flagship Regents St store also told me to get an Overseas instead of a "hyped" Nautilus, he didn't mention the Paris analogy tho.

Passionata · 24 November 2017, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AK797

Funny that as an AD even at the flagship Regents St store also told me to get an Overseas instead of a "hyped" Nautilus, he didn't mention the Paris analogy tho.

Was it WoS,nice chaps,
may he thought rather Vicky Beckham

1William · 24 November 2017, 11:27 PM

Supply and demand. It is working now for the companies but I believe it requires a delicate balance to go forward with the strategy.

AK797 · 25 November 2017, 12:12 AM

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Was it WoS,nice chaps,
may he thought rather Vicky Beckham

Yes, I had just been in VC before so I thought he was spot on or psychic rather than just utterly defeated.

Most of their day is spent just saying we have no Nautiluses or Aquanauts upstairs and no Daytonas or Subs downstairs. It's probably the easiest money made in England right now... until they all get laid off.

Busyboy · 25 November 2017, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Busyboy

Amazing

But hasn't rrp in UK gone up recently, it was £18030... So as wf were selling them then at £28/29k, this extra increase could be partly to do with the new rrp? Anyone know what rrp is in UK today?

And another 5711 just popped up today at blowers again for the same price!

Nuts!!

kultschar · 25 November 2017, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Busyboy

Amazing

But hasn't rrp in UK gone up recently, it was £18030... So as wf were selling them then at £28/29k, this extra increase could be partly to do with the new rrp? Anyone know what rrp is in UK today?

RRP is 19,020 in the UK since the price rise

AK797 · 26 November 2017, 12:09 AM

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RRP is 19,020 in the UK since the price rise

Then charging £32K is fully justified. See, I could work as a grey too.

kultschar · 26 November 2017, 12:10 AM

How much is the gold again? 36K?

subtona · 26 November 2017, 12:36 AM

Sold mine... hard not to have a twinge of regret:)

nyc2la · 26 November 2017, 01:49 AM

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Sold mine... hard not to have a twinge of regret:)

Same here. Ugh.

SMD · 26 November 2017, 01:56 AM

Wonder how much demand is organic vs. how much is driven by people trying to get one at list so they can sell into the secondary market. Meaning its self fulfilling -- increased demand is driving pricing and the increased pricing is bringing in new people trying to get one from ADs so they can sell into the secondary market. Rinse and repeat.

tng11 · 26 November 2017, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SMD

Wonder how much demand is organic vs. how much is driven by people trying to get one at list so they can sell into the secondary market. Meaning its self fulfilling -- increased demand is driving pricing and the increased pricing is bringing in new people trying to get one from ADs so they can sell into the secondary market. Rinse and repeat.

I bet it's a pretty large chunk. I also reckon a very large % of the people on waiting lists are the same people on multiple waitlists. If the prices came back to earth, I imagine much of the demand would disappear, as most of it was artificial to begin with, and would fall to people who actually want to wear the watch.

As an example, if I somehow get a call for a 5712/1A, there would be about 30 waitlists where I would drop off from.

red1108nyc · 26 November 2017, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by nyc2la

Same here. Ugh.

same here argh...

tyler1980 · 26 November 2017, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by tng11

I bet it's a pretty large chunk. I also reckon a very large % of the people on waiting lists are the same people on multiple waitlists. If the prices came back to earth, I imagine much of the demand would disappear, as most of it was artificial to begin with, and would fall to people who actually want to wear the watch.

As an example, if I somehow get a call for a 5712/1A, there would be about 30 waitlists where I would drop off from.

there is also zero risk to you to buy without ever trying it on when you do get the call. Don't like it and you will make money instead. There are lots who buy these watches even when they are not sure about if they even like it or not. The secondary market is their insurance. So I would be willing to bet almost everyone who actually "gets the call" actually buys it. That is an element in the scarcity at AD's too as there are not many passing on one.

GB-man · 26 November 2017, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by red1108nyc

same here argh...

There’s a long list of us

subtona · 26 November 2017, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by nyc2la

Same here. Ugh.

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Originally Posted by red1108nyc

same here argh...

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Originally Posted by GB-man

There’s a long list of us

Sorry friends,
One for each of us

kultschar · 26 November 2017, 04:13 AM

I will try and learn from your mistakes :)

red1108nyc · 26 November 2017, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by subtona

Sorry friends,
One for each of us

Misery loves company but I have great company here haha!!

24 November 2017, 06:25 AM	#1
Daytonaman799 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NYC/South Fl Watch: Rolex, Patek Posts: 3,505	Has there been an increase in Nautilus demand? I have noticed that prices for all Nautiluses have jumped significantly in the last year. 5711's were a few k over list and are now MUCH more than that. 5712's were available at around list and now also very expensive. Annual calendars were undesirable and now also seem in demand. What happened? Vintage market finally helming the more modern market?

24 November 2017, 11:03 AM	#3
GB-man 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 36,859	Increased demand for sure. Friggin rappers are wearing them now. __________________

24 November 2017, 04:14 PM	#8
Tomas Eriksson "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Stockholm Watch: 15707CE Posts: 1,986	Reminds me of: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bbfd4qohrio/ Don’t care if many has it though, still want one bad __________________ State of the union: 5066A,15400ST,15707CE,116610LN,26470OR and a few other…

26 November 2017, 12:36 AM	#21
subtona "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: gus Location: East Coast Watch: APK & sometimes Y Posts: 25,995	Sold mine... hard not to have a twinge of regret:) __________________

24 November 2017, 12:26 PM	#4
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,225	Demand has blown up on popular Rolexes, PPs and APs, in a huge flight to sports quality. Demand in China is also rising again apparently.

24 November 2017, 01:08 PM	#5
Defiancekofb "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: US Posts: 1,999	I think the Cipriani Exhibition in NY this past summer has resulted in much of the increase in Patek demand. Also as someone else stated, Patek has unfortunately hit mainstream media. Where many celebrities are wearing the brand, similar to AP a decade ago. AP was simple haute horology brand, then just took off with media recognition.

24 November 2017, 04:10 PM	#7
OldOak "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: UK Posts: 422	I had to laugh the other day. I had my week old Nautilus on feeling really smug with it under my cuff, went for lunch at a nice restaurant and two other guys within a 10m radius had Nautilus on! I was absolutely amazed! I hadn’t seen another in the wild until then. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

24 November 2017, 05:40 PM	#10
kultschar "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: End of the World Watch: PP & Rolex Posts: 1,970	This sold basically straight away https://www.blowers-jewellers.co.uk/...-57111a-010-3/ Makes me feel lucky as hell to have been able to buy one a few months ago at retail

24 November 2017, 11:27 PM	#15
1William 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: North Carolina Watch: Rolex/Others Posts: 44,731	Supply and demand. It is working now for the companies but I believe it requires a delicate balance to go forward with the strategy.

26 November 2017, 12:10 AM	#20
kultschar "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: End of the World Watch: PP & Rolex Posts: 1,970	How much is the gold again? 36K?

26 November 2017, 01:56 AM	#23
SMD "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Real Name: SMD Location: LGA/EWR/ORD Watch: AP/PP Posts: 3,660	Wonder how much demand is organic vs. how much is driven by people trying to get one at list so they can sell into the secondary market. Meaning its self fulfilling -- increased demand is driving pricing and the increased pricing is bringing in new people trying to get one from ADs so they can sell into the secondary market. Rinse and repeat.

26 November 2017, 04:13 AM	#29
kultschar "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: End of the World Watch: PP & Rolex Posts: 1,970	I will try and learn from your mistakes :)

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